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John Dudebro posted:i don't know if you've heard, but chris benoit murdered his wife and child
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TheKingslayer posted:*Multiple child molesters Spiderdrake posted:Who is Mel? I don't know much wrestling history. Two victims went public in at the start of the scandal in 1992, one of whom (Tom Cole) was explicitly molested; another months later with a story that rings true in terms of the Phillips part but not necessarily some other elements (the kid who asked Bruno obviously rehearsed questions with pro-WWF framing in the WWF scandals episode of Donahue), and another sued the WWF in 1999. There are probably a lot more who never came forward, but it was a different era and the story, because wrestling, was pretty much only covered in NYC tabloid newspapers, on syndicated tabloid talk shows, and in wrestling newsletters. Everyone who's ever came forward, other than the guy who sued in 1999, was from New York.
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TheKingslayer posted:I get the feeling Buck Zumhofe is gonna be new to some people and that story is dark. And yeah, that story is so hosed up that Scott Williams (may he rest in peace) had to carefully edit Dave Meltzer's draft of that week's Observer to make it less immediately disturbing to read while still keeping the key facts.
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Coolness Averted posted:I just read his wikipedia page and yeah I don't think I need more details.
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USEFUL ADDITIONAL NOTES AFTER LISTENING TO THE PODCAST; Benoit tried to bully either London or Kendrick into seducing a waitress while he, Jamie Noble, and the London/Kendrick partner his in the hotel closet, watched, and masturbated. Vince Sr helped cover up Mel Phillips, bragged on an FBI wiretap about threatening Dr Jerry Graham. Linda was key in the Tom Cole cover up. At one point she said she didn't believe anymore that he was abused and that Mel Phillips just had a foot fetish that was misconstrued. Bischoff was directly accused of using racial slurs in the discrimination lawsuits on top of his institutional failure. Was successfully sued for discrimination when he basically called a certain Torch columnist/elementary school teacher a child molester. Yet he learned nothing, and 18 years later, he more or less said on his podcast that Dave Meltzer looks like a pedophile. Flair was accused of martial rape in Beth's divorce filing. Hogan was privately accused of raping a Mall of America public relations staffer, sued her for extortion, she countered...and he settled?!?!? Jannetty actually posted a few stories of sexually assaulting people on Wrestling Classics. The plane story is most famous, but they was also the rape by deception where had a straight friend who he told he was hooking up with a female groupie...only to find a gay guy to do it instead.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Wasn't this on that scummy wrestling stories list that was mostly debunked? I can provide receipts for basically everything I mentioned other than the missing Jannetty post.
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MassRafTer posted:AJ's biggest non Obama racism is liking the tweet about Muslim refugees being invaders. Actually, he also said once on a hot mic that "since [The] Rock’s not black or white, people like that can say ‘[the N-word, only he said it]’ whenever they want.”
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USEFUL ADDITIONAL NOTES AFTER LISTENING TO THE PODCAST, NOW WITH RECEIPTS: Benoit tried to bully either London or Kendrick into seducing a waitress while he, Jamie Noble, and the London/Kendrick partner his in the hotel closet, watched, and masturbated. From their initial Highspots shoot, IIRC. Should be on Highspots Wrestling Network. Summaries: https://whatculture.com/wwe/10-weirdest-real-life-wwe-friendships?page=10 http://the-w.com/brian-kendrick-paul-london-shoot-interview Vince Sr helped cover up Mel Phillips, bragged on an FBI wiretap about threatening Dr Jerry Graham. Graham info here, including FBI records: https://deadspin.com/fbi-records-show-vince-mcmahons-dad-caught-on-tape-brag-1793690848 Phillips thing mentioned by both Superstar Graham on Donahue (I know, but...) and Bruno Sammartino (to Jeff Savage in Penthouse) in 1992, as well as by John Arezzi at various times, including on his settle the beef podcast with Vince Russo. Donahue video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTCRnBEUJM Donahue transcript: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560722-Donahue-Transcript-03-16-92-OCR-Titangate.html Jeff Savage article: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560721-No-Holds-Barred-by-Jeff-Savage-Penthouse.html John Arezzi on Mel Phillips: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560726-John-Arezzi-on-Mel-Phillips-Pro-Wrestling.html Linda was key in the Tom Cole cover up. At one point she said she didn't believe anymore that he was abused and that Mel Phillips just had a foot fetish that was misconstrued. Tom Cole interview in Wrestling Perspective: http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/78/cole1.html http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/79/cole2.html Tom Cole and Linda McMahon on News 12 Connecticut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCq8t5rDhVQ Mike Mooneyham interview with from 1993 (listed date is incorrect; only part 2 deals with Cole): http://www.mikemooneyham.com/1992/11/01/linda-mcmahon-part-1/ http://www.mikemooneyham.com/1992/11/08/linda-mcmahon-part-2/ Bischoff was directly accused of using racial slurs in the discrimination lawsuits on top of his institutional failure. Was successfully sued for discrimination when he basically called a certain Torch columnist/elementary school teacher a child molester. Yet he learned nothing, and 18 years later, he more or less said on his podcast that Dave Meltzer looks like a pedophile. Racism: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6531682-Thunderbolt-Patterson-Response-to-WCW-Motion-for.html Meltzer: Episode of 83 Weeks that dropped the week of 9/11/2018. Bruce/Torch: I can't find the actual interview anymore, but it's discussed during his April 2000 Wrestling Observer Live appearance during my call that falls apart after that point. An Observer WCW retrospective mentioned the settlement years later, not sure which one, but Bruce has mentioned it obliquely at times. This was the line, you can see why WCW would pay up: https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1194413668307484672 Flair was accused of martial rape in Beth's divorce filing. Part of the infamous Grantland article: https://grantland.com/features/the-wrestler-real-life/ Hogan was privately accused of raping a Mall of America public relations staffer, sued her for extortion, she countered...and he settled?!?!? Hogan sues: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-01-07-9601070379-story.html Settlement: Hogan book: http://bit.ly/hoganbookkennedysettlement Court docket showing dismissal with prejudice out of nowhere on top of his admission: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/10218867/bollea-v-johnson/ Jannetty actually posted a few stories of sexually assaulting people on Wrestling Classics. The plane story is most famous, but they was also the rape by deception where had a straight friend who he told he was hooking up with a female groupie...only to find a gay guy to do it instead. No receipts, unfortunately. It got deleted before anyone saved it. But here's an archive of the flight story, which was confirmed by others on the plane, including...Buddy Rose and one of the Bushwhackers, I think?: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=132966&page=1
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BTW, it should be noted that we don't know the totality of what Brock told that reporter about not liking "gays." The reporter felt that most of it was too awful to print.
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Anyone have a good citation for the Harris Twins showing off the tattoos story?
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I mean the ECW locker room story.
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USEFUL NOTES AS I LISTEN TO PART 2 BEFORE I GO TO SLEEP, TO BE CONTINUED MAYBE: Terry Taylor receipts in the form of Thunderbolt Patterson's statement of material facts attached to a motion in his branch of the big WCW racial discrimination lawsuits: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6531682-Thunderbolt-Patterson-Response-to-WCW-Motion-for.html Jeff Savage's Penthouse article on the various scandals from the September 1992 issue, which is an expanded version of his San Diego Union Tribune feature that blew up the ring boy scandal, which includes the more graphic details of Tom Cole's allegations against Mel Phillips: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560721-No-Holds-Barred-by-Jeff-Savage-Penthouse.html Tom Cole's 1999 interview with Wrestling Perspective: http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/78/cole1.html Phil Mushnick's 1992 New York Post column (the front page story of that day's sports section) where he goes over what Vince McMahon told him AND Dave Meltzer about firing Phillips and bringing him back: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6175271-Mushnick-Sex-Lies-the-WWF-Column-Re-Conversation.html (Meltzer weirdly just ran what Mushnick said at the time, leaving his own role out of it, but he's told me on the record that it's true, and obviously he would have denied it if it wasn't.) Politico article on the ring boy scandal: https://www.politico.com/story/2010/07/linda-mcmahons-world-of-wrestling-040476 The only Tom Cole interview since that article: http://www.mikemooneyham.com/2002/10/20/past-still-haunts-former-wwf-ring-boy/ TV coverage of the 1992 sexual harassment, ring boy, and steroid scandals: Larry King Live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je5mokKJqkk Donahue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTCRnBEUJM A Current Affair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiqaLBokta0 CBS Evening News: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsCNbYju8Q Now It Can Be Told: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye-OBWSt7X0 My Chris Amann article, which links the relevant court docs: https://deadspin.com/court-records-wwe-doctor-who-sued-cm-punk-had-sexual-r-1826818551 (To correct MRT, the judge DID keep the Jillian Hall stuff out of the trial, but the records of Amann's lawyer's attempt to get that all from being brought up at trial was still public.) Howard Brody's book includes an entire chapter that's devoted to Rockin' Robin, Grizzly Smith's daughter/Jake Roberts' half-sister/Sam Houston's sister, giving a first-hand account of the sexual abuse that she suffered at the hands of her father, her alcoholism, and eventually her sobriety while becoming a successful realtor. Google Books doesn't have the inside of the book available, but it's cited here in Slam Wrestling's article about Grizzly's death: http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Wrestling/2010/06/12/14368776.html (Also mentioned: The long-held suspicion that Grizzly murdered their sister JoLynn.) An array of Ultimate Warrior stuff: "The Ultimate Warrior is an insane dick," from Barry Petchesky when Warrior died: https://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-was-an-insane-dick-1561275496 My article that deals with Warrior's wife/company getting The Wayback Machine to delete his old blogs with a B.S. DMCA takedown notice: https://gizmodo.com/when-the-internet-archive-forgets-1830462131 The VICE article that led them to send said DMCA takedown notice: https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/59y3nb/wwe-is-whitewashing-the-ultimate-warriors-bigoted-past My look at The Warrior Award, where I connected the dots between Warrior and the Charles Martel Society: https://deadspin.com/why-does-wwe-honor-the-ultimate-warrior-1833510376 My article about WWE and Dana Warrior trying to turn Warrior into a pro-LGBT symbol (and The Warrior Award being more or less an admitted marketing campaign): https://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-is-not-a-gay-pride-mascot-1835536799 The reprint I did of my FSM article on the Warrior/Vince relationship that heavily cited court records: https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/the-ultimate-reconciliation-an-inside Warrior's rep threatens Something Awful: https://www.somethingawful.com/legal-threats/legal-threat-ultimate/1/ Proof that the dude who threatened Something Awful was real and not a creation of Warrior: https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/remember-the-ultimate-warriors-director My article on the truth of the Jerry Lawler rape case that was hidden in plain sight in the police file: https://deadspin.com/jerry-lawler-wrote-a-really-dumb-letter-to-prosecutors-1822790447 (Read the whole thing carefully, including the source docs if you can. I regret leading with the letter in a sense, because the big takeaway should be how much this diverges from Lawler's version/the one told historically.) Vince potpourri: My article on the allegation that Vince groped a tanning salon employee: https://deadspin.com/witness-vince-mcmahon-stared-down-groping-accuser-for-1822642014 My article on the death of Owen Hart and the subsequent lawsuits: https://deadspin.com/after-two-decades-owen-harts-death-is-still-wwes-darke-1834910126 My big picture article on the steroid trial: https://deadspin.com/vince-mcmahons-defiant-paranoia-was-shaped-by-his-stero-1836707000 My article on Dr. Zahorian that leans heavily on court records: https://babyfacevheel.substack.com/p/the-boys-need-their-candy-the-trial
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MassRafTer posted:Russo's booking definitely put more people at risk. One of these days I'll write more about the Geraldo and Phil Mushnick lawsuits, but the Geraldo lawsuit is...weird. It's not a defamation case like you'd expect or like the Mushnick/NY Post lawsuit filed the same month was. Instead, Vince and Linda sued over intentional infliction of emotional distress, civil conspiracy, and loss of consortium. So even though they claimed that Chatterton's allegations weren't true and there was a scheme built around them, the lawsuit technically wouldn't necessarily hinge on them. Since it's gone from the TPM site, here's the complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6562629-Vince-Linda-McMahon-v-Rivera-Et-Al-Complaint-03.html It does seem like there was some shady stuff going on with some of the defendants—Geraldo was running a tabloid TV show, so that's no shock, but it's...very, very weird. There's talk of "actual malice" and all that jazz in the complaint even though it's not a defamation lawsuit, for example. I am not a lawyer, but...is there any reason you'd do that other than the obvious? Like with the Mushnick case, it was effectively dropped when Vince/Linda/WWE couldn't get the case/discovery delayed. Since Vince couldn't sit for a deposition while the steroid trial was a few months away, that was the end. davidbix fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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MassRafTer posted:Some more content for later on in the tournament (funny I almost did the Watts match up tonight.) To crystalize how many "well, he's just incredibly libertarian!" excuses have been made for Watts's discrimination comments (even if Watts allegedly regretted all of it after becoming religious) over the years...even though there's a strong case for his other, less-repeated comments being MORE racist in the first place!
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Super No Vacancy posted:I think Hustler vs. Falwell extended the actual malice standard to intentional infliction of emotional distress claims against the media Still, different context here...why sue, claim it was false, and not include any kind of defamation counts? That's what's always thrown me about this. Is it just to avoid having to litigate/do discovery on the truth of the statement? Or...?
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MassRafTer posted:Linda McMahon sued because Rita's allegations ruined her sex life and that's not a joke. "As a consequence of the injuries that McMahon has suffered as a direct and proximate result of Chatterton's outrageous, intentional, malicious and extortionate acts, Mrs. McMahon has been deprived of McMahon's companionship, society, affection and moral support."
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Blast Fantasto posted:That’s a common clause with abuse and sexual assault settlements. See: Peyton Manning
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BTW, before I reply to stuff directly: Since MFT didn't mention it, Brevetti folded her firm after 16 years in 2009, went to work as a partner in the NYC office of K&L Gates (McDevitt's firm) in 2013 while becoming WWE's general counsel the same year, and then left both jobs to reopen her firm in 2015. So while she's best-known for the steroid trial work and, among people who remember it, her late husband's (then-fiance's) involvement, she has had further association with the company. Oh, and for some reason, when Linda McMahon showed up at Tom Cole's unemployment hearing to personally fight his benefits(!), well-known expensive criminal lawyer Laura Brevetti of all people was flanking her. http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/79/cole2.html Tom Cole: ...I came out and said, “Let me just mention one more thing. How many employees are in the WWF, Titan Sports, Mrs. McMahon?” She’ s like, “350.” I was like, “How many unemployment hearings do you attend yearly?" She goes, “I never attend.” “Well, I’m a measly ring crew guy. Why on Earth are you attending my unemployment hearing?" “Well, it’s the situation, ba-ba-ba.” They found in my favor. Then they took me one more time and they found in my favor and that was it. Wrestling Perspective: This was (Laura) Brevetti who was the lawyer. Tom Cole: Yes. Wrestling Perspective: So they actually brought Brevetti in who was actually the one from the steroid scandal as opposed to using McDevitt or one of the other lawyers. Tom Cole: Yes, she was a very, very mean woman. Not that a lawyer’s not supposed to be. Wrestling Perspective: Did you find it suspicious? Brevetti is a big gun. Tom Cole: Oh, absolutely. I didn’t know who she was at the time because I’d never met her. I thought I’d met all their lawyers. But evidently I didn’t. I was very surprised they brought her in; very surprised. ChrisBTY posted:Reputed prosecutor hooks up with 2 bit con artist and flips to defense. quote:This Brevetti character played a role in keeping Vince out of jail so she gets the nod. Was briefly tempted to not give her the nod because she was just doing her job (in a 'a system of law needs both prosecutors and defense' sort of way, not a Nazi sort of way) but doing crooked illegal poo poo to keep Vince out of jail? Whoops my finger slipped and clicked the button next to her name. Coolness Averted posted:
Nobody at Gawker ever refused to take down the video after the court order went down. This is explained pretty explicitly in John Cook's blog about the court order: https://gawker.com/a-judge-told-us-to-take-down-our-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-po-481328088 A lawful order from a circuit court judge is a serious thing. While we vehemently disagree with Campbell's order with respect to the video itself, we have chosen to take it down pending our appeal. But the portion of the order compelling us to remove the entirety of Daulerio's post—his words, his speech—is grossly unconstitutional. We won't take it down. Even setting aside that I like John Cook a whole lot, "they defied a court order to take down the video" has always been a load of bullshit. Understandable why someone would fall for it, but falling for it means you never read the post about the decision. And that's not even getting into how they won their appeal of the trial/county court judge's order on both the video AND the text, though they never added the video back. (Also, I forget the specifics, and I should probably look into it again at some point, but during my time reporting on the case, I remember someone pointing out to me that, at some point during all of the appeals, one of the filings with the Gawker edit of the video as an exhibit got fully unsealed. Meaning that by all rights, someone could request it from the court and publication of it would be fully protected speech legally in most states as publication of a court record. Whoever it was told me something to the effect of it not being worth the trouble, though. Which makes sense since the FBI sting recording was also unsealed—at the same time as the big document dump with the N-word related stuff the day of the verdict, actually—but was, mysteriously, not put on the website with the documents or provided to the in-person reporters who picked the documents up on...I forget if it was a DVD-ROM or thumb drive.) Also, nobody outed Thiel, or, if you feel it was outing, did it without his consent. Owen Thomas, the reporter who wrote the article, checked with a rep for Thiel, who said that it was fine and simply recitation of a fact: https://medium.com/@owenthomas/gawker-peter-thiel-and-me-f80389b84fa3 Add to that the subsequent conversation with a representative for Thiel who assured me that he had no issue with the post, which he viewed as simply stating a fact. The Thiel side has never disputed this. In his interview for Ryan Holliday's book, Thiel said that he was much more concerned with Denton's comment on the post. In his broader comments about the lawsuit funding the destroy the company scheme, he generally speaks in terms of Gawker/Valleywag being "bad for the Valley" and how it covered he/his friends critically. davidbix fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Dec 3, 2019 |
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if you're gonna stretch that far, the blame for gawker (and the job losses) has to wrap back around and be almost pure Denton. He decided to run the Hogan tape and refused to take it down after a court order. Hell Peter Thiel's vendetta was because the rear end in a top hat thought it was cool and good to publicly 'out' people. Denton and Hogan even came to a settlement that absolved him of enough personal liability he got out of bankruptcy while gawker still died.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I still maintain that Gawker wouldn’t have been hosed so bad if AJ Daulerio was a normal human and not a massive condescending piece of poo poo. Nobody ever had any hope of or illusions about Gawker winning at trial, especially after they got a taste of what was in store from the judge. This has never really been in question. Do I think it's possible that the jury would have awarded more manageable, non-bankruptcy-inducing damages without that comment in the deposition? I...don't know. The weird bullshit Florida bond law was capped at $50 million, so it would have had to have been *well* below that, and the jury showed a clear willingness to award damages completely out of line with reality regardless, so...maybe not?
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MassRafTer posted:This has to be Jerry McDevitt, right? The entire Titangate period—but especially the ring boy scandal and Bergman stuff—are an onion of information even just based on what was published and in the public record. Even in the Observer and Torch, there's so much stuff that nobody remembers or included in retrospectives, not to mention newsletters not available online, newspaper and magazine articles (some easier to find than others), etc. FFS, who ever brought up what Vince said to Meltzer and Mushnick about firing/rehiring Phillips until I mentioned it to you and started bringing it up here during the first NY64? (Dave's own handling of the story is a separate matter and probably contributed, but that it wasn't or big headline for some reason or in the TV shows about the scandals probably didn't help its staying power. Although I don't get why, if it was on the record, Phil and Dave said nothing about this until Phil's column that he wrote after the Donahue and Larry King shows?)
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Charles Austin always claimed that Jannetty explicitly told him not to put his hands out to break his fall. I...don't know if I find that credible? WWE definitely should have been vetting guys better, he was hurt in their ring, they didn't really have injury/medical protocols at the time, and they didn't put up a great defense, though, so I have no gripes over him getting the big settlement, though. More here (headline ain't mine): https://deadspin.com/todays-wwe-began-with-a-tragic-injury-and-a-devastating-1834404325 WRT Linda vs. Colon, I went with Linda. If we're going with Colon strictly on grounds of "covered up a murder" then I feel like "covered up serial child molestation and tried to smear the most vocal victim as a liar/false accuser in the media while simultaneously suing a former employee who accused her husband of rape for intentional infliction of emotional distress" as part of a MUCH larger slate of documented awfulness pretty easily "wins" this matchup. Besides, Linda can't go out in the first round! Also, I mentioned this earlier on Twitter and can't remember if I mentioned it here, but WRT Lawler-related stuff, please make sure to not just carefully read my Deadspin article from last year, but also the underlying source documents.
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STAC Goat posted:I've seen this before and asked and never really gotten an answer... has Austin actually done anything to "try and change?" Has he apologized publicly, condemned his own actions, spoke out against domestic violence, donated time or money to women's shelters, or anything? Because as far as I'm aware all Austin's done in terms of rehabilitation is not get arrested for beating a wife in awhile. But I'd love to be wrong and find out he's made a genuine knowable effort or change. It's not necessarily "enough" or close to it, but it's there.
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STAC Goat posted:By any chance could you direct me towards it? Because like, I've been asking this question for years now because to me it just feels like fans really want to like Austin so they're writing in that he's had some big change. I get that maybe he doesn't have the same substance abuse problems he had then but like, they're not an excuse for what he did and what he did was a pattern, not an isolated incident. And I'm all for forgiveness and reform but its kind of gotta be earned and I feel like fans gloss past that part with Austin to get back to enjoying him.
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STAC Goat posted:I dunno. I feel like that's my problem with the Austin thing. It feels like people equate the substance abuse and the domestic abuse and I don't like that. He's worked on the substance abuse and I'm happy for him (and those around him) but like... he still beat (at least) 2 women. And I'd feel a lot better if he just said something like "I was a horrible person who hurt people and I'll try to even those scales the rest of my life by donating to safe houses or crisis lines" or something. I don't know. I just feel like I've seen a lot of "I had problems" and no "I was a woman beating piece of poo poo."
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Paul Orndorff beat Vader's rear end lol
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Wait, were the players or the women getting drunk? That tweet is worded a little strangely. Now, if it was used as blackmail material in the team's gambling scandal, which the book kind of sort of implies was a possibility, albeit with zero evidence, then that would be different.
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coconono posted:It says a lot about WWE's Wellness Policy that they let this happen. The dude looked like he was ready to lie down and die the night he gave his farewell promo.
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MassRafTer posted:That was an incredibly cynical ploy, trying to play this off as a big emotional thing when he had been out to the public for 30 years. (And who knows how long in the business.)
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MassRafTer posted:Tom Haskins who is said to be very credible.
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flashy_mcflash posted:Surely there's something on Bischoff that would show he ignored concussion protocols, didn't pay out for injuries, things like that. Q: What went down with your leaving WCW? CANDIDO: That was another fantastic circumstance. First, Tammy’s deal there ended. We had obviously had our problems in the past with whatever substances here and there, which was never anything really exciting. We were pain pill takers and the Somas, the big wrestler drug. But we got on that Nubain for awhile, the pain killer that the bodybuilders were all using and became big in the lockerrooms. We had been off that for over a year. We were adamant about not going near it. We still did some other stupid things but were not using that. One day at TV, Kimberly Page found a bottle of that in one of the women’s bathroom stalls and went and put the heat on Tammy, which flipped a lot of people out. Scott Steiner flipped out about it. He came running in the locker room at me saying, “What the **** did that **** do?” I’m going like Tammy did something, and know Scott Steiner is mad at her, and he’s going to kill me for it. But luckily, he was talking about Kimberly, not Tammy. I got hot about it. So, we were in the gorilla position about to go to the ring and Eric pulls Tammy back and says, “Well, you’re not going out there today because we have a problem.” So, I went out to the ring, which was my first opportunity to do anything with Ric Flair, he was running in the match with me and David. It took all the excitement out of being involved with Ric Flair away from me. We got back and found out what it was, and I blew my cork. Granted, we had used Nubain before and done a lot of other dumb things before, but we had tried hard to get off it, and had been off it for about a year. At the time, WCW had a good five or six girls that were all fitness models and were all from LA, which is where the stuff originated from, on the fitness and bodybuilding scene there. The main supplier of the stuff was somebody from out in that area, who had been close with all the fitness girls. But for some reason, the finger was pointed directly at us, so that really pissed me off. The next day, we showed up at Thunder and they made Tammy take a piss test. In typical WCW fashion, they lost her urine for three weeks. When it came back, she had tested negative. It was clean. But Eric was so pissed off about it because he got egg on his face that they just continued to sit her home. Then, they brought Bigelow back. And I had to go down and cut this promo to introduce Bam Bam, and we went ahead and worked with Kronic. Eric gave us a finish that was the ****s. We went to Russo, and he gave us a different one. We went ahead and did the match, and I broke my wrist. We came back and Eric screamed only at me, not at the three other guys that were involved in the match, about that being the finish he gave us and he didn’t like that ECW bs. He told us to go back out there and do it again. So a fricking TV company doesn’t have the capability to just edit in my previous promo. I had to go out in front of the same crowd and cut the same exact promo and act surprised when I bring Bigelow out. He wanted to keep this one spot in, the one I broke my wrist on in the previous match, and I broke my arm higher up on my forearm in another place. So, I come to the TV the following Monday. I had a cast on my arm that came to right above my elbow. Bischoff was hot at me that I broke my arm in the match that he made us do over and asked me to cut the cast below my elbow so I could go ahead and work. I figured the boss was telling me to do something, so I might as well go ahead and do it. I went and did it. I worked the NITRO and Thunder. We had three house shows. They asked if I wanted to go on the road or go home. I asked if I could go home for a day and get it reset, because the coach there in the back just cut the cast off and put another cast on, but the bone had moved out place again. I asked if I could get a better cast put on so that I could work with it, and I would make it back. It was like Yakima and Seattle, and I said I would make it back for the second town. So I went home, went straight to doctor, and got a new cast put on. When I got home, Terry Taylor called me and said, “Eric said he’s sorry but it’s not working out.” I said, “What the hell’s not working out? I came home just for this and I’ll be back there tomorrow.” Taylor said no. He didn’t let me in on the fact that if I had said that no, I can’t cut off the cast, I’m injured and can’t work, WCW would have had to go ahead and pay me for another two years. But because I proved that I could work, even though I really couldn’t, I just did what I was told, they only had to pay me for another 180 days. So doing what I was told screwed me in that department. But for the 9 months I was there, it was pretty enjoyable. Especially the stuff I got to do with Terry Funk in that barn, the fight inside the horse stall.
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Thank you. These posts are awesome.Burning Beard posted:Warrior apparently kept a warehouse chock full of Warrior merchandise. That insane BDSM Santa comic? Warrior bought all the unsold copies up and warehoused them, convinced they'd be worth some serious cash in the future. He also pushed Jakks into giving him a large number of action figures for free for the same reason.
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By the way, I feel like this needs to be mentioned for the sake of accuracy even if it doesn't actually affect anything: It came out about 20 years after the fact that Invader actually had no idea that the Onita angle would go the way it did. Onita gigged his stomach after Invader left, and close-up photos were carefully selected and edited into the photo spread (it was a magazine angle) so it would come off like Invader stabbed Onita. Of course, Invader ended up doing an angle in the 2000s where he was explicitly stabbed, I think by Savio Vega, anyway. So again, it doesn't really matter, especially since he clearly committed a pre-mediated homicide in real life.
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STAC Goat posted:I gotta be honest. While I definitely think its extra scummy to recreate your murder for a wrestling angle, I feel like not having done that and having just murdered a guy is a distinction without a difference. At some point you can't really add on.
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Hirez posted:Shouldn't Amann be like disbarred or whatever the doctor thing (equiv to lawyers) for breaking the Hippocratic oath; but from quick googling he still seems to be the WWE Doc?
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SatoshiMiwa posted:100% WWE has or has employed a Doctor as bad as Nassar or worse And even by serial child molester standards, Nassar is/was a uniquely egregious predator in terms of both his brazenness (abusing girls with their mothers in the room) and however you want to classify "becoming an expert in an medical techniques that let him simultaneously molest his patients more invasively."
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ChrisBTY posted:I think because the American Medical Association (or whomever has the authority to revoke medical licenses) doesn't pay enough attention to what goes on in pro wrestling to care.
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MassRafTer posted:Then you are saying he needs to be at least an 8 and I don't agree at all. Could he switch places with Vader who just assaulted people, yeah I guess. Could he switch places with say Warrior, a right wing hate preacher who also took part in Sexual assaults... I disagree.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:I couldn't sleep and went with Dunn in a spur of the moment thing. Slightly regretting it now, but even though Lawler is a pervert and a racist (and the more celebrated of the two), I'm still not entirely sold on the "underage rapist" slant. I don't entirely blame you if this is based on what was in the public record before last year. But it turned out that Lawler snowed the entire wrestling world about the truth of a case where he admitted that the girls were in his room, the girls' moms were actually who went to the police and not a sketchy male friend Lawler always said was who reported it, that Lawler inexplicably submitted a contradictory witness statement saying that the girls weren't at his room after he already admitted they were there, that he wrote a handwritten letter to prosecutors talking about how somehow, a background check on the girls would show that they were dirty lying sluts who loved black dudes and lesbian acts...he's acted about as guilty as he possibly could.
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I tweeted this and MRT retweeted it on the NY64 account, but it really should be stated here, too: It's amazing that so many people in and around wrestling wanted so badly to make excuses for Bill Watts that they pretended he only made the "actually, it's about libertarianism/the free market!" comments about discimination and didn't also say black people needed to mix with white blood to excel in life. I mean, FFS: "What is the best thing that has ever happened to the black race? That they were brought to this country. No matter how they got here. You know why? Because they intermarried and got educated. They’re the ones running the black race." That's straight-up white supremacist poo poo. TTBF posted:One of the accusations leveled against her was that she would rape trainees.
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