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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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To the surprise of absolutely nobody:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/19/amazon-prevented-free-and-fair-election-in-alabama-union-alleges.html

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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kingcobweb posted:

In the meantime, it's very helpful to actually read the contract, chances are neither your coworkers nor your bosses has actually done that. It's pretty common to catch stuff either that your bosses are doing against the contract, or just a privilege you didn't know you had.

As a union official, holy poo poo this.

I wish my loving bargaining unit would pick up their contracts and loving read them. So much time and effort wasted getting worked up and arguing over things that are absolutely covered by the contract. Just knowing the contract and saving your rep/steward the time of explaining something for the nth time is helping out more than you’ll ever know.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Justin Credible posted:

Teamsters local, doing forklift work in tough environment. Management has been dicking around the negotiating team for like more than half a year. Total garbage and a pittance of raise waging plus bad faith bargaining, including removing or vastly increasing medical insurance costs.

The company lawyer told our union rep that they didn't think we'd get the votes for a strike.

We had our vote for strike authorization for unfair labor practices yesterday.

Number of people who voted no?

0.

Get hosed.

:hmmyes:

Which local?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

gently caress federal mediators though

Last time we had a (loving huge money for our entire facility bargaining unit) grievance go to mediation, the mediator sat on it for three plus years, and then (when pressed hard for a ruling from both parties, who were just tired of waiting) said “I cannot bring this matter to a conclusion,” and sent it back to the parties.

He is no longer a federal mediator, but in short:

gently caress federal mediators though

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Holy poo poo the NLRB actually did something?

Get hosed Amazon.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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kingcobweb posted:

accidentally sending the union organizer the Evil Plan To Bust The Union is so loving funny

The only reason this couldn’t happen where I work is because management will never have a plan to accidentally send us. Otherwise, completely believable.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Labor Day is more than an excuse to gently caress off and grill hamburgers. Never give up the fight, and never compromise on your principles, even when you have to compromise in negotiations. Always remember, there are other goons to talk to. Goons who have been there. Goons who know what it’s like dealing with a bargaining unit who has never opened their contract book. Goons who know what it’s like to spend their free time helping a brother or sister with a problem, work related or not.

And remember, there are two types of people.

https://twitter.com/illcaesarer/status/1434551267452407813?s=21

Happy Labor Day, Goons.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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poo poo POST MALONE posted:

I was a council rep in my last union and it was the most infuriating bullshit I ever had to do.

but I did it because I got my rep position because nobody else wanted to do it.

:(:hf::(

We have one of the most infuriating, spoiled, FYGM bargaining units of all time. poo poo still has to get done.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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kingcobweb posted:

this sounds an awful lot like a "two tiered" contract that throws new employees under the bus in exchange for helping the more senior people. hopefully it isn't, but if it is that's not good! it's intended to undermine solidarity!

Precisely, and they’re very effective at it.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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:hai:


Sounds like a good way to get a rock through your windshield.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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RC Cola posted:

Who do you think the cops will come after? The workers, or the cop who was throwing eggs?

If they’re a FoP department, they’ll probably come after the family of the workers.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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So who’s doing the work of the salary workers while they’re crashing tractors and spending six hours picking a single part?

(Both of those are pretty loving rad examples of malicious compliance, btw.)

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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In Training posted:

can't believe they're pitching a 3% raise next year as "Living Wage Achieved".

At this point, a 3% raise every year for the duration of the contract isn’t even treading water.

Our 2016 contract got extended to 2026, and the 1.6% annual bump (on top of GS, so 2.6% for this year overall) suddenly looks like shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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There’s a global surge in demand for manufactured goods (probably especially for industrial equipment like JD harvesters and such) and prices are spiking. pay the union what they want, and pass off the price increase like everyone else is. Its quite literally the cost of doing business.

instead, JD management is donning their top hats and monocles and wondering why Pinkerton keeps hanging up on them when they scream “BRING THE BROWNINGS TO THE PICKET LINE AND GIVE IT TO THEM!!!”

it’s baffling to me.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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SBWU: Super-Strong Logo Game

Good luck to them. :)

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

it’s absolutely mind blowing to me. I’ve seen this mindset enough to not be surprised by it anymore but it’s still so alien, it’s like seeing someone order bacon and goose poo poo on a pizza. if you’re not a huge rear end in a top hat, having a union is great for an employer, because a lot of management functions that ordinarily require you to pay an expensive tier of do-nothing middle managers can be outsourced to the union itself. it gives you one unit to negotiate with who will act as a partner (since if your business goes under they all lose their jobs!). if I owned a business I would absolutely prefer to have a unionized workforce. I have been in a position to advise management of this in the past, this has been my recommendation, and most of the time they still don’t get it. madness.

Our local just got control of the schedule back from management, and I don’t understand why it took so long. We were hitting them with at least one scheduling grievance pretty much every pay period, because the scheduling sups can’t be bothered to follow the basic contractual and MOU requirements for shift scheduling, let alone assigning overtime properly.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Any idea why this tweet went out? I for one love formats that strip all context from comments.

https://twitter.com/ovecunion/status/1454468877191110660?s=21

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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kingcobweb posted:

Third image of the first tweet, the dude is a former NATCA officer.

lol I’m dense, thanks. Twitter can still eat my whole rear end.

…And gently caress that guy. Legislative activist in WV probably means exactly all the worst things you can imagine. Our Legislative program is…


…Slimy.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Jaxyon posted:

JD workers should break the tier system, IMO. It solidifies their bargaining in future years.

This. It loving SUCKED at the time (we were forced into a non-contract, enforced work rules period,) but breaking the tier structure was the best thing our union had done in its entire history.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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kingcobweb posted:

in personal news, I’m interviewing to be a union organizer in a little over an hour :3:

Good luck!

Being a union official is frequently a terrible, thankless job, but it really does make things better for everyone.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Konstantin posted:

How much do full time, paid organizers help anyway? The most potent organizing force will always be the workers trying to unionize, and too much involvement from non-locals is a vulnerability that management can exploit. There is a role for administrative support and expert assistance from people like lawyers, accountants, and negotiation experts, but the bulk of the effort needs to be done by the workers themselves.

This is actually a better way to phrase the question I have now. I thought OP meant they were already a union worker, interviewing for an appointed specialist position within the union.

(That said, ya, gently caress starvation wages in this economy.)

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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If you truly respect your employees, you’ll be happy to negotiate a contract with their properly elected representatives.

:colbert:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

starbucks has a big legal department and budget, but i'm not so sure this one's gonna work out for em

Ya that’s a real bad look. Sucks for those directly affected since this kind of thing generally has a timeline in years, but the NLRB is gonna nail their balls to the wall.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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kingcobweb posted:

it’s difficult to emphasize how big of a deal it is that the Seattle roastery is going union. this is the premier Starbucks in the entire world.

https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1493302251217367041

ngl, if you had told me five years ago that a new wave of unionization began with Seattle (and elsewhere) baristas, I would have laughed you out of the room.

It loving rules.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Six weeks of paid parental leave is pretty stellar for a private sector job, even if the rest of that package veers wildly between mediocre and loving atrocious.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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People (including a ton of dues-paying union members) frequently think that a union exists to negotiate a contract every couple years, and does little or nothing else.

Thing is, that's absolutely true if you allow it to be true. Union membership is very much what you make of it. If you get involved, and get others to get involved, you can absolutely make a difference in your working conditions.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

anyone have a good book/source on .... i'm not sure, general union history? specifically, when unions (largely) adopted flag waving patriotism etc. etc.

it feels like a response to accusations of communism and/or a public relations play in response to outsourcing, but i really have no idea

Labor in America is the go-to. I’d also recommend This one, for how Regan hosed my profession specifically, and labor in the US generally.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Solid username/post synergy, though.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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:hai:

You can always count on the longshoremen.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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In Training posted:

im on strike today so i shall post in the union thread. found a lot of great resources from this thread early in my workplace's unionization effort, and now my workplace is wall-to-wall unionized and striking for our first contract. collective action ftw.

:hai:

What Union/strike?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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In Training posted:

after the contract is signed too management will figure out ways to not abide by it, so you still have retain organizational strength and make sure you have reps and shop stewards who will fight for grievance claims and ensure the contract is enforced. then it all happens again in 2-5 years, depending on the length of the contract you agreed to. winning a union vote is like step -1, and companies most often (especially larger ones with functionally limitless resources and 8 figure profits) never, ever stop trying to fight a union.

Requiring management comply with the contract is the never ending battle, and the responsibility of everyone in the bargaining unit. it requires constant vigilance to not lose what you’ve fought for.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

it’s possible to have an amicable relationship

but my contention is that if management is happy and comfortable, the union isn’t demanding enough

Much like buying or selling a used car, the best deal for everyone involved is when everyone shakes hands and walks away feeling just a little dissatisfied.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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In Training posted:

Ink is drying on our first contract. 15-25% raises across the entire staff, new guaranteed schedules and hours that we got to set, proper OT payouts+wage protection, plus more raises for the next 2 years. And more general protections like Just Cause and mediation, etc. Let's loving go.

:iia:

Everyone looks at wages, and those kind of raises kick rear end, but one of the best parts of a contract is the QoL guarantees. IE: No fuckhead, you can’t change my schedule once the schedule has been posted. IE: You can’t call me in on my day off for less than time and a half, and if you do call me in, you cant just send me home whenever you want. gently caress you, I’m here on my day off, pay me.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Tulip posted:

My employer (NYC) is asking for input from city workers about how to improve city governance. The top 8 are all telework, #9 is a raise.

Ya, my job is decidedly not teleworkable, but I’d be right there in 1-8 if it were. All our support staff went to telework, and poo poo actually gets done FASTER now.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Critical misstep by management: We gain power from their tears. Cry some more.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Alkydere posted:

Yeah if they showed me something like that at Amazon, especially as part of a big meeting, I'd be hard pressed not to burst out laughing and start shouting "Your tears give us strength!" or "Boo-hoo! Pay us a living loving wage!"

https://youtu.be/GdNI0_cx22s

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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Getting a BU to organize is a lot easier when you can wave an in-effect contract at them and show them what organization actually accomplishes.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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In solidarity. UwU

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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In Training posted:

it definitely reeks of that US business union mentality that the union bureaucracy exists to soothe the employer/worker relationship rather than be the radical vehicle for class warfare that they originally were created for. It manifests across so many different sectors and orgs too, I see quite often on materials/websites etc.a pitch like "we support strikes but only as a last ditch effort, 95%+ of our contracts are settled without a strike, it's a nuclear option that should only be finely considered" etc. It gets me all boiled up when strikes are pitched as a tough sacrifice for members to undergo. It's the most uplifting and powerful action possible! It's a way to live out the theory that the employer needs us as much as we need them. People should be striking left and right and getting used to going on strike not just for their own contract, but for workplaces in the neighbor not even in your local or even affiliated with a nlrb union.

Workers aren't viewing it like that though increasingly. Looking at the wide variety of Starbucks locations going on strike to reinstate workers who were retaliated against, or the variety of locations going on recognition strike, the rank and file notions are changing and leadership is like 4 decades behind on the rhetoric and tactics

Gee, I wonder why that is.

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

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dxt posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MNReformer/status/1559543426512814081

In other health care related labor news, nurses in MN vote to authorize a strike.

Good. Nurses are criminally underpaid and mistreated by their employers.

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