2020 General Election: The death march to the White House

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is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Joe Biden is a rapist.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2020 22:40

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 08:08

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Roland Jones posted:

Let's kick this off with a possibly-unexpected development: Trump (kind of?) coming to Biden's defense regarding being a rapist.

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1255969521741041667

Dems when they find themselves agreeing with Trump that the left is the true enemy:

https://twitter.com/saint_papii/status/1186343177487290369

# ¿ Apr 30, 2020 22:46

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Jesse Ventura understands kayfabe, has had success running a third party campaign in the past, and has appeal to Joe Rogan independents. I think it's entirely possible he could hit 5%.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2020 23:05

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/11/the-scientific-research-shows-reports-of-rape-are-often-murky-but-rarely-false/

quote:

In a 1996 study, researchers interviewed by questionnaire slightly more than 1,000 women at medical centers and 2,142 women at universities. The women were asked if they had been raped and to describe it, and if they had not suffered a sexual assault to describe another "intense life experience," marking whether it was positive or negative.

The researchers then conducted a statistical analysis of the responses and found that the results contradicted the widely held view that a major event that arouses strong emotions would be clearly remembered, since "the neural mechanisms underlying emotional memory suggest that any event that evokes intense arousal, positive or negative, could result in vivid and persistent memories."

To the contrary, they found that rape did not.

The rape memories reconstructed for the purpose of responding to the survey . . . were rated as less clear and vivid, less visually detailed, less likely to occur in a meaningful order, less well-remembered, less talked about, and less frequently recalled either voluntarily or involuntarily; with less sensory components including sound, smell, touch, and taste. . . . Memories of events that were unexpected and highly negative both in their emotional valence and in their consequences were differentiated from memories of pleasant life events.

Anyway, it's pretty funny that the people who swore they hated Biden and were only voting for him because Trump is worse are now here to Just Ask Questions about Tara Reade's story.

# ¿ May 1, 2020 03:33

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

#metoo might be to most "first as tragedy then as farce" thing ever

# ¿ May 1, 2020 14:10

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Willo567 posted:

Glad to see your so gleeful about Trump winning and loving over the country again.

Let me ask you this: how have you been affected by Trump

Wow must be nice for you that you didn't realize the country was hosed until Trump took office. Glad you managed to make it through 8 years of Obama/Biden without being affected, lucky you. Got any more taunts you want to throw down from your ivory tower?

# ¿ May 1, 2020 18:45

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Willo567 posted:

Tell me how Obama/Biden has screwed you over.

I can tell you that Trump left the Kurds to die, almost instigated a war with Iran, has told people that COVID-19 is nothing, and has elevated radical right wing groups.

I'd be glad to.

- I lost half my career earning potential in the recession.
- My dad, who worked his entire life in construction, lost his home and had to file for bankruptcy.
- I had to pay out the rear end for healthcare premiums and I still put off going to the doctor out of fear of insane hospital bills.
- I had to watch the resurgence of the kinds of groups that put people like me in camps go completely unchecked.
- I had to watch friends move back with their parents and settle for menial jobs which they still hold today.
- I guess war doesn't affect me directly, but since you brought it up, Obama bombed seven different countries and took all the damage that Bush did to the Middle East and made it permanent.

If you want to vote for the rapist, just loving do it. That's your right. But if you want to act like you're doing something noble and that I'm the privileged one because I don't want 4 more years from the guy who already gave me 8 terrible years you can come suck the poo poo right out of my rear end in a top hat.

# ¿ May 1, 2020 19:17

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Eminai posted:

I'm basing that on sound, reasonable arguments such as the following:

lmao maybe the next 6 months won't be so bad if I keep getting meltdowns like this.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 01:07

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

TobiasKelly posted:

After reading this thread some more, I've realized that I'm unsure of if I want to vote Biden. Any idea who I should vote for as a third party candidate?

Here is Gloria La Riva's 10 point program. If you find this to be appealing, and she is on your ballot, you should consider voting for her.

1) Make the essentials of life into constitutional rights

2) For the Earth to live, capitalism must be replaced by a socialist system

3) End racism, police brutality, mass incarceration-Pay reparations to the African American community

4) Full rights for all immigrants

5) Shut down all U.S. military bases around the world�bring all the troops, planes & ships home

6) Honor Native treaties. Free Leonard Peltier now

7) Full equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people

8) Equality for women and free, safe, legal abortion on demand

9) Defend and expand our unions

10) Takeover the stolen wealth of the giant banks and corporations � Jail Wall St. criminals

# ¿ May 2, 2020 01:27

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Brownhat posted:

https://twitter.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1256320457680121857

We finally got to the "fake news" portion of the Biden Defense Force.

Guess the Dems were as genuine about their support for the integrity of the free press as they were about their support for rape survivors.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 02:20

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

The libs voted for Biden because they desperately wanted a return to normalcy and he's already plunging us deeper into chaos. You gotta laugh.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 05:28

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Weird how all these Nazis started showing up after Biden helped the financial sector loot the economy until they broke it and then he left the working class to rot. Kinda like how the Nazis started showing up in Germany when their economy was ruined.

Oh wait, there I go doing materialism again. Let me give this another shot through the liberal approved lens.

Weird how all these Nazis started showing up when the bad man came along and cast a spell over half the population. This is exactly like that time in Germany when that other bad man showed up and gave speeches so compelling that they murdered millions of people.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 05:46

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

relax-o-vision posted:

You guys are really starting to worry me. You're implying here that nazis are motivated by legitimate economic grievances. You're tiptoeing down the path towards saying they are "very good people." Like, you're aware that Trump voters in 2016 skewed wealthier than Clinton voters? People did not become neo-nazis because they couldn't pay their student loans. It has never been about economic anxiety. It was always, always racism. Please take a hard look at what you're implying when you humanize nazis like this.

I will never willingly allow nazis to hold power in my country. I understand that you are all taking a moral stand; please understand that I am also taking a moral stand. Good night.

Shut the gently caress up moron, don't you ever imply that I would describe Nazis as good people.

Look, I get that liberals refuse to have a material understanding of history. Like your response to my post is literally what I was mocking.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 06:19

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Failboattootoot posted:

They're right that economic anxiety is a bullshit motivator when it comes to nazis though. All the polling I've seen has born this out, at least as far as 2016 is concerned. Nazis gonna nazi for racism whether they are poor or well off.

The argument isn't that people become Nazis when they become poor. It's that capitalism has ruined this country and they aren't going to take the blame for it so they pin it on the people who can't defend themselves. This is always what it does.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 06:51

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

the_steve posted:

It's going to be weird viewing when MAGAchuds start advocating for aid for sexual assault survivors to own the libs.

Maybe our best shot at a progressive platform is to Br'er Rabbit the Republicans into it.

Noooo don't do M4A, Biden hates it!

# ¿ May 2, 2020 17:52

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Democracy dies in darkness, and that's just the way we like it.

# ¿ May 2, 2020 23:24

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Libs are gonna sacrifice what's left of their sanity and integrity to beat Trump. Wonder how they're gonna handle it when they lose again?

# ¿ May 3, 2020 16:21

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Hellblazer187 posted:

In a head to head match up Ventura beat Trump, wouldn't he?

Is Ventura very extremely lovely? I kind of just assumed so but that's a good clip. Should I be rooting for him to get the Green nomination?

He tried to unionize pro wrestling, he met with Fidel Castro and opposed the embargo, he said he would prosecute everyone in the Bush administration who was involved in torture, he said his first act as president would be deep cuts to defense spending, and he supports legalizing prostitution.

As a candidate, specifically, he understands kayfabe and knows how to cut a promo and I 100% unironically think that is an incredibly powerful tool to have in 2020.

# ¿ May 3, 2020 22:53

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

I. M. Gei posted:

What are his opinions on vaccines, mental health, and psychiatry?

Yes, this is an honest question.

Not good. He's said he supports vaccines but does a lot of JAQ about it, and he said some really stupid tough guy poo poo about suicide back in '99.

# ¿ May 3, 2020 23:12

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Liberalism is what you call capitalism during the periods when it is able to keep its internal contradictions in check. Fascism is what you call it when it can't.

# ¿ May 3, 2020 23:31

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

hooah posted:

I'm confused here. I've self-identified as a liberal/Democrat my whole adult life, and I've never heard this kind of stuff (beyond the "humans are rational actors" bit) from anyone I've considered liberal. Have I just been using the term "liberal" because (before 2016) I wasn't aware of further-left labels?

On a separate question, what is the best way to try to convince the DNC to disown Biden at this point?

The word liberalism gets used in two different ways. There's big L Liberalism, which refers to the political ideology of Liberalism, which can be briefly summed up as the marriage of capitalism to democracy, and little l liberalism which is the American colloquial term for the left side of Liberalism. The right side of Liberalism is generally called conservatives.

# ¿ May 4, 2020 03:56

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Rigel posted:

Broadly speaking, your premise is not correct. The Democratic party has been (slowly) moving left for decades, with a few momentary rightward blips here and there. They are not moving left quickly enough to suit most of the posters on this dead comedy message board.

"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican."

# ¿ May 4, 2020 17:52

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

i am the bird posted:

When people say the Democratic party has moved left over the past 40 years, they mean on issues of culture and representation which is seemingly all that matters to liberals (whether it's a liberal variant of feminism, a liberal variant of racial justice, or a liberal variant of LGBT rights).

It never relates to economics or material conditions.

Oh but didn't you know? Watching A Wrinkle in Time is a political act. Hell, watching Black Panther is a revolutionary act!

# ¿ May 4, 2020 18:44

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

The funniest thing about this is that Trump hasn't even truly started laying in to Biden yet. There's going to come a time in the near future where Biden is getting humiliated on a daily basis and we'll think "so this is the guy they sold their soul for."

# ¿ May 5, 2020 01:45

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

lol at the goon who is weirdly committed to proving Jesse is a libertarian. Jesse Ventura is a Joe Rogan independent. He's an ordinary dude who knows that the government and corporations exist to gently caress him over but he's never touched a book on theory in his life. Trying to divine his true political nature like he's an RPG character is just going to lead you in circles. What actually matters is that his healthy distrust in the two major parties and their corporate backers has increasingly led him to leftist conclusions in recent years. But as always liberals will dig through his history to find things to chase him away with.

# ¿ May 5, 2020 17:01

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Look, I will vote for the senile conservative rapist if it means a 0.000000001% reduction in suffering, but I absolutely draw the line of accepting support for M4A from the guy who hosted a conspiracy show and the MMA guy who thought the moon landing was fake. It's called having principles.

# ¿ May 5, 2020 17:21

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Xombie posted:

Would you apply this standard to everyone? Because I don't think you would.

Joe Rogan is constantly, and rightly, criticized for giving "fair and balanced" airtime to literal white supremacists. Is he just not getting a fair shake?

Yeah dude, thank god we chased away the guy with a massive platform who said he would vote for Bernie and supports M4A. Can't let a monster who platforms right wingers into our tent.

*puts on MSNBC to watch all my favorite CIA spooks, Iraq war architects, and literally every Republican willing to say "Trump bad"*

# ¿ May 5, 2020 17:30

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Guess I should have said NYT then?

# ¿ May 5, 2020 17:34

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

How are u posted:

Oh excellent, glad he's come to accept the science. Enjoy your 3rd party vote, folks.

This is yet another thing you don't get. People who aren't beholden to a political party and corporate donors actually can be pulled left.

# ¿ May 5, 2020 17:50

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

political compass is garbage for morons.

the entire idea of discovering your true political nature is embarrassingly stupid.

# ¿ May 6, 2020 03:16

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Uncle Wemus posted:

Maybe hiding isn't such a hot campaign strategy

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-idUSKBN22I005

Yes but him actively campaigning is even worse. Sometimes you just gotta got with the lesser of two evils.

# ¿ May 6, 2020 04:18

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Trump would never do this thing that would humiliate his opponent and increase his chances of winning.

# ¿ May 6, 2020 18:09

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Joe Biden is the living embodiment of all these goddamn commercials where big corporations tell me they are here for me in these trying times.

# ¿ May 6, 2020 23:25

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

surely this time we'll control capitalism with policy.

# ¿ May 7, 2020 02:12

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

How are u posted:

I don't like the neoliberal capitalist world order either, friend, but in this November election there will be no winner who will abolish it. We work within the reality we find ourselves in.

you're doing the opposite of that though. the reality is we stop capitalism or we all die. you're doing something you know will fail.

# ¿ May 7, 2020 02:46

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

And there it is.

https://twitter.com/BerninginCali/status/1258527072340701185?s=20

It's not too late to cut your losses, Biden supporters. It only gets worse from here.

# ¿ May 8, 2020 00:06

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Cpt_Obvious posted:

What people truly hate about Donald Trump is that he reveals the ugliest parts of our society. He's too stupid to guard himself, and can only show the naked truth.

The first time this really sank in for me was when everyone reacted to his "You think our country's so innocent?" comment the same way Republicans did to the Dixie Chicks saying the US was bad for doing the Iraq war.

awesmoe posted:

for clarity, this corroborates the claims of unwanted touching and not the more recent claims of sexual assault

gently caress you.

# ¿ May 8, 2020 02:07

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Hey speaking of Bloomberg,

Politico posted:

Democrats fume over having to clean up Bloomberg's mess
The billionaire cut loose scores of staffers who'd been promised paychecks through the election � and state parties are getting pressured to hire them.

Mike Bloomberg�s decision to dump hundreds of former campaign staffers from his payroll � after promising them paychecks through the election � has left a trail of ill will within the Democratic Party that�s now roiling a key part of its general election operation.

After accepting a much-needed $18 million donation from Bloomberg when he dropped out of the presidential campaign in March, Democratic National Committee officials have been pressuring battleground state parties to hire his former employees, according to senior party aides in three swing states.
...
�It�s ridiculous,� said one Democratic operative familiar with the dispute, who was granted anonymity to speak frankly about the situation. �There were dozens of candidates [with qualified employees] and the parties are being asked to prioritize the rich guy�s staff over everyone else�s.�
...
Entry-level organizing staffers on the Bloomberg campaign were paid at a rate of $72,000 a year, nearly double the salary of similar positions on other presidential campaigns.
...
Bloomberg�s digital operation has also been a point of contention since he left the race. The digital firm he started, Hawkfish, is seeking to take over large parts of Biden�s digital operation for the general election, a possibility that has caused a clash inside the campaign.

Part of the disagreement over the staffers seems to stem from differing expectations of what Bloomberg�s money would be used for. The Bloomberg team argued that $18 million is enough to hire 500 additional organizers, but the DNC said it is using that money to hire people faster and ahead of schedule rather than increasing the expected size of its battleground organizing teams.

Sounds like Team Biden and the DNC are doing great. Can't wait for Joe's epic viral Big Gay Ice Cream video.

# ¿ May 8, 2020 04:26

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

You're never going back to brunch because capitalism is falling apart. It doesn't matter what capitalist is at the helm. For the love of god get this idea that things can go back to normal out of your head.

# ¿ May 8, 2020 14:19

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 08:08

is pepsi ok: Oct 23, 2002

Anyone know if the 1930s German libs spent their time splitting hairs over whether Hitler or Strasser was the better person?

# ¿ May 8, 2020 17:41

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