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Ash Crimson posted:Imagine believing a flag associated with imperalism and all the evils that came from it, is somehow an inherently racially neutral act and isn't indicative of some underlying issue Agreed. It's inexcusable to wave the Scottish saltire because of the attempt to establish a colony in Darien.
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loving do the due diligence yourself Jon you lazy oval office. You're on the loving NEC & have the entire very online elements of Momentum who could've done the leg work but you're a loving sap. The Labour left may as well not even exist. Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1256199984007073793?s=19 Ah, it's like 2005 all over, except the Liberals haven't even moved to the left a jot. Genuine gently caress off to Keir Starmer voters. Think I may just go back to post-December levels of engaging in political news because it's a mite aggravating.
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Jose posted:starmer/rayner wouldn't share who they'd decided on until the NEC meeting started Ah, so not a lazy oval office, just an exceptionally stupid one. "They won't say who they picked in advance but I'll just assume the best because I'm utterly laughable and have completely forgotten how desperate the Labour right are to crush anyone who doesn't accept neoliberalism. Josef bugman posted:Oh good we are back into "hope is a lie" I really missed this. I'm not saying hope in general is a lie, just hope in the parliamentary route to socialism, that the Labour Party is as fit a vehicle for making socialism happen in this country as a car with no engine is a fit vehicle for getting you to work on time.
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XMNN posted:https://twitter.com/SmallStonesTall/status/1256603917707874304?s=20 As with all things, the answer is General Strike.
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May 2, 2020 19:44
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Vitamin P posted:Does the class-reductionist leftist that denies intersectionality is a thing actually exist in any meaningful sense though? I'm closer to that than most posters here but even though I think economic circumstance is the most meaningful intersection by far that doesn't mean poo poo isn't observably much more difficult if you're disabled or an ethnic minority or not cis-normative. Oh, it definitely still exists. Not exactly your full blown "homosexuality is a bourgeois degeneracy" but there are lots of groups who have pretty much a paper thin dedication to LGBT rights or feminism or what have you. Because an awful lot of these groups are thoroughly conservative in the sense of a wretched dedication to orthodoxy, be it Leninist, Stalinist, Trotskyist or Maoist. I think class is far and away the most important thing but it's easy for me to say that as a cis white male who happens to be poor and working class. I also think we have to not worry about insincere liberals using intersectional issues as a bludgeon, while also actively supporting issues like Race, gender, LGBTQ etc because it's the right thing to do. My politics at the end of the day come from my sense of morals, I'm not much of a scientific socialist. I'm a socialist because I think inequality is an absolute evil, same as I am anti-racism because it is an evil. If the only way for socialism to occur involved sacrificing immigrants or gay people I'd be against it even as it would materially benefit me. Sure, don't worry about liberal wokescolds yammering about the misogyny of Karen because who gives a gently caress what liberals think about anything? But you can do that while also not using bonafide slurs. Not out of a performative image of wholeness but just basic decency to comrades. Karen by her definition of running to managers is not a comrade.
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May 3, 2020 01:06
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OwlFancier posted:I mean I would be surprised if reknowned mythical sonfucker Jocasta was in the top 100 but I would feel better if nobody was called that tbh. Just Ultron
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May 3, 2020 05:10
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Sarah Vine decided to own her haters by posting a photo of (one of 20) her (& presumably her husbands?) bookshelves https://twitter.com/WestminsterWAG/status/1257044387739172865?s=20 Note the David Irving & The Bell Curve. Very normal books for a member of cabinet to be proudly showing off, but it's Labour that has the racism problem.
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May 4, 2020 00:02
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Vitamin P posted:The Strange Death of Europe is Douglas Murray, he's an extremely careful writer but I would bet my life he's legit an actual nazi at heart. Haaaaa of course they have that ball bag's lovely book. And yeah, of course they have Rand, at this point as much as it is both boring and sociopathic it's the book of choice for conservatives in this hellworld. My personal fave is the small Vince Cable book shamefully in the bottom right, almost obscured.
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May 4, 2020 00:13
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pitch a fitness posted:https://twitter.com/WestminsterWAG/status/1257074045805309956 Haha, what a predictable response. Weirdly I doubt Jeremy Corbyn would get away with the same excuse
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I don't think I've bought a single book about I/P. I do however have two books by Nazi generals, or I did. I might've gotten rid of them, but they were by Manstein and Guderian and were interesting mostly in how they whitewashed their crimes and failures.
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May 4, 2020 11:45
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Gonzo McFee posted:Did you display them prominently in your living room and write articles about how the prosecutor for Nazi War crimes was unpatriotic? And is the most leftwing book you own "The Third Man" by Peter Mandelson? I think the Guderian book was on the same shelf as The Communist Manifesto and From Hell. My bookshelves tend to have absolutely gently caress all order, but my record collection? That's alphabetical by artist and then chronological by release date of each album
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May 4, 2020 12:44
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escapegoat posted:These are always great. What the gently caress is reverse osmosis? Been a while since I did biology but isn't osmosis basically two solvents going through a membrane from a high concentration to a low, ending with some sort of equilibrium? Is reverse osmosis 2 solvents in equilibrium separating until one is high concentration and the other is low?
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May 4, 2020 13:48
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May 4, 2020 13:58
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Jel Shaker posted:Nah Maduro is the Jeremy Corbyn of South America lol no. This is a terrible comparison. Corbyn is a highly principled democratic socialist who believes in compromise & all sorts of slightly naive ideals like that. Nicolas Maduro is corrupt, authoritarian & cynical. This is a terrible comparison unless you're the Daily Mail & think Corbyn is Stalin but with more anti-semitism
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May 5, 2020 09:41
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gh0stpinballa posted:imo it's best not to adopt the language of people who think you are just as inhuman as maduro or indeed any venezuelan who supports him. you've immediately conceded too much ground to people who will gladly see you in a ditch next to him. Personally I don't think there's any value in pretending any strongman wrapping themselves in a red flag should uncritically be taken as my ally but my politics are closer to anarchism than anything else these days & I know what you think about that so I doubt we'll agree on this. But the cynical politics where "the enemy of the US is my ally" has done absolutely gently caress all good for the left. It is simultaneously possible & in fact desirable to be morally consistent on condemning US imperialism & Chinese or Russian imperialism, not because of how some liberal with a boner for foreign intervention will react but because it is in fact the right stance to take. Maduro is a poo poo. He is less of a poo poo than Guaido would be but that's a spectacularly low bar to set. It's not conceding any ground, it's just where I stand. Maduro is not good, but if the US gets his way he'll be replaced by someone who does an even worse job because they will be in a long, rich vein of US backed free market fundamentalists in South America & that'll be a disaster for the poor there.
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May 5, 2020 10:42
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gh0stpinballa posted:i think the western narrative of the syrian war unravelling so spectacularly may have caused a generation of people who came of age in the last decade to perhaps over-correct in how they present their anti-imperialist politics. which leads to some semi-ironic-but-not-really juche boosting at the extremes for example. possibly this is who you mean by enemy of my enemy types. the old school cranks have always been there but nobody likes those people anyway. It's the Phil Graves unironic Tankies, it's the CPGB-ML types, the Morning Star often engages in that sort of foreign affairs whatabboutery, and sure, there's not many of them and they are mostly old enough to be dead within the decade but the Morning Star is the real-world media most notable left-wing voice by some margin. (I know the way I wrote this makes it sound like the CPGB-ML are behind the Morning Star rather than the CPB. loving splinters of splinters of splinters, it gets hard to talk about all these loons) It's like I have no issue understanding why the Bolsheviks did the October Coup in 1917 & yet take issue with what they did once they had power & turned on the left-SRs & the anarchists & the other "left communists" to use the term of the time. Yeah, if I was talking to a wider audience I'd be less equivocal but basically this is a thread full of people who are at worst Labour soft left all the way to ancoms & ML-ists so it feels fair to remind that not all of the bluster against Maduro is US lies, some of it comes from reality. It's just that the solution isn't overthrowing him with Venezuela's equivalent of Bolsonaro, Fujimori or god forbid Pinochet, it's replacing him with someone sincerely committed to communism, to each according to their need.
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gh0stpinballa posted:yeah i would agree It's no biggie, at this point I'm disappointed if CSPAM doesn't feature daily rants about anarchism but I still enjoy it. Certainly more enjoyable than D&D. But aye, an anarchist supporting foreign interventionism is well sus. How can you oppose the state and simultaneously support the imperialism of any nation state? Or that dumb humourless twerp who posted an entire thread being mad about Chapo, that was a loving lame anarchist. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 14:59 on May 5, 2020 |
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im sorry if i said something lovely to you about anarchists btw, i do find it a very interesting concept i just went thru a phase where i kept encountering anarchists who were all about invading syria, iran, etc for some reason. the internet has poisoned a lot of minds.
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Guavanaut posted:I think it was funnier during the Blair years in the same way that David Davis was a voice of reason during the Blair years. Any incidental strengths about mocking governance work a lot better when the government is doing authoritarian surveillance state poo poo and warmongering than not doing anything at all and killing people that way. I think the show jumped the shark when Deayton got busted for hookers & coke. He was a solid part of the formula & the refusal to even attempt to replace him & just lurch into the lovely guest host eternity was a shite decision.
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The Perfect Element posted:Prof Neal Ferguson has had to resign cos he was having a lady round to his house. Oops! The poo poo historian who is a walking advert for shutting down fee paying schools or the epidemiologist? (Neither of whom spell their name Neal. One is Niall & the other Neil.)
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sebzilla posted:"I Agree With Nick!" proclaimed a significant portion of this thread as idiot children. At least when I voted Liberal Charlie Kennedy was still leader.
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XMNN posted:also did you know the UK press is the least trusted in europe? It doesn't surprise me because our press are unashamedly partisan in the most transparent ways possible but it does surprise me because if people don't trust the press then why the gently caress are they still shovelling The Mail into their brains?
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XMNN posted:to be fair, the UK is near the bottom on all of the charts in the report so we're generally fairly distrustful, but that is still the highest distrust score for all sources listed and by far the worst for traditional media I trust some social media sources & don't trust others. I trust some websites more than others. It seems too broad.
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Renfield posted:Last time I did it, which was a year or so ago - you still had to go into the office once a week (or fortnight, depending on how annoying your "job coach" wanted to make it) but as long as you have something to show you're looking for work , they'll leave you alone. I will never forget the lady in the Job Centre who decided to practice her amateur psychology on me. Completely unasked she just decided going on that I've got long hair & a beard because I'm hiding or something & simply wouldn't accept that it was an aesthetic choice, that I'd wanted a beard since I was looking through a kids encyclopedia & saw photos of all these cool 19th century people like Dickens. Went on about it so much and god I wanted the earth to open up and swallow her whole. What made it more annoying was it was at a point where I wasn't even getting offered job interviews. The people were turning me down without seeing me so the fact I have long hair & a beard had gently caress all to do with why I was on the dole. Was so glad when she got moved to another department & I never had to deal with her again.
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Loonytoad Quack posted:Lockdown is hosed at this point, I've just been invited to a 1940's tea party this afternoon being run exclusively by people in the highest clinical risk group. The same people who every week without fail clap (and trumpet and klaxon) for the NHS for 10 minutes longer than necessary and tut when they don't see you doing the same. The only time it's acceptable to rat someone out to the polis
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Continuity RCP posted:Or to have not armed the Spanish communist party ¿Porque no los dos? Ronya posted:I think history has validated the liberal interpretation that in liberal societies, the fascists have street fighters because the communists have street fighters, and vice versa Oh my god you are the worst. At least you seem to have moved on from your old theory of "actually everyone is a liberal" Man, the stunning revelation that Labour's bold new housing policy being come up with in consultation with a loving landlords association rather than any renter rights groups is such a perfect example of why Keir & co are loving trash.
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Remember how 6 months ago Labour wouldn't have let landlords shape housing policy? Sigh.
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Starmer is so drat forensic https://twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1259173593897934853?s=20
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OwlFancier posted:I have to say I am enjoying, for a given value of enjoyment, the left just repeatedly dunking on starmer at every opportunity. Ultimately I don't really resent Keir for being Keir, he's a spineless lib toad so of course he's being a spineless lib toad. The ones I resent are the loving dopes who regard themselves as leftists and just threw the towel in and gave the leadership back to the spineless libs after one measly defeat. loving lack of fight. Instead they conned themselves that the knight was someone he wasn't. Top work.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/1259416232987627521?s=21 I am incapable of reading a Harry Cole tweet. All it reads to me is just "I let Boris Johnson steal my girlfriend & I still give him the coverage equivalent of a sloppy blowjob at every opportunity". It's so sad.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/SCFCJosh96/status/1259459508620931072?s=19 What possible problem could you have with such magnificent forensic policy making of "the Tories but marginally less"? Thanks to lockdown I've managed to read through most of Marvel's 1970s main superhero output. Far more productive than getting into conspiracy theories. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 10, 2020 |
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Ash Crimson posted:I just wish Nicola Sturgeon would come out and call boris a piece of poo poo, officially, but she must be doing something right if she's getting stuff like this: Absolute weapon George Foulkes (good ol' awful Scottish Labour) was having a go at her on Twitter this morning, despite both Health and Law & Order being devolved areas. Sturgeon is well within her rights to disregard the Tories confused messaging designed solely to encourage people back to work prematurely while denying responsibility for it when that inevitably leads to a lot of deaths.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Considering that deaths are still hovering at over 600 per day, I'm not sure we can even have a spike so much as a bloated lurch upwards. Oh, don't worry, it could get worse
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1259557030336987136?s=21 It seems reductive to say she's trying hard to be AOC. She's a young woman. Let her be Zarah Sultana & hope she doesn't follow the TERF track.
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https://twitter.com/LondonIWW/status/1259575815915876352?s=20 That there's no unions talking about a general strike right now really is the worst indictment possible of the contemporary labour movement & its complete refusal to put up a fight. Yeah, sure, it's illegal. Unions were illegal themselves once, didn't stop people organising together. If the only thing we can do to save lives is refusing to go to work then it's the moral thing to do. Anyway, now really is the time to join a union if you are in work, even with them often as limp as they are. And consider also joining the IWW for an actually radical option. And while I don't control the purse strings, if you are short of cash & unable to afford to join up that seems like the sort of thing the UKMT solidarity fund could help with? forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 21:21 on May 10, 2020 |
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Vitamin P posted:This chart is irrationally annoying to me. Don't make a simple 5 stage chart and then not use the actual stages! Have it be Orange level 4 or Yellow level 3, don't be like 'yo we made this discreetly delineated graph but it's really more how you feel y'know, I'd say we're at Apricot Honey level 3.6 or maybe it's more Amber 3.5, oh man I love Pink floyd pass the blunt" Man, remember when the Yanks went to DEFCON 3.986? It's an awful chart. Or use of the chart, the chart itself would be closer to alright.
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Lord Ludikrous posted:What the gently caress does stay alert even mean? Stay alert for what? It means "go to work today but don't blame us when your granny dies" 11th May 1812, Prime Minister Spencer Perceval is shot dead in the lobby of the House of Commons.
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Guavanaut posted:If earth's a plane then why are they telling us to stop flying Ohmigod, clearly the world is a vampire sent to drain
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Anything can be a suppository if you're brave enough. Powerful Jose energy in this post
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crispix posted:ARCTIC ICE DEATH PLUNGE!!!!!! There were extremely brief snow showers in Inverness though mostly it was hail. It sucked and was super cold with the wind. But there doesn't look like there's any more snow on the hills so yeah, it's a dumb headline
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