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THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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How fast have the patches come out so far?

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THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Veryslightlymad posted:

There's been one, and it took a long rear end time to come out, but it also covered a ton of things. Before it came out, I thought "what is taking so long" and after it came out, I thought "wow, they did all that so quickly?"

Coming from Starfarer, this is blazingly fast.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Do you refute the Kaiser's obvious beauty?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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It feels weird that you can enable both sexes inheriting on equal footing super early in the game. Is that a thing unique to Basque culture?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Declaring on people in this game is a complete crapshoot. The AI can immediately ally and drag in people you'd have no idea were even on the table. Attacking a guy with 700 units suddenly means facing 5K, and no, I didn't miss any allies. Ridiculous.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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I haven't figured out the downsides to Dread yet.

E:

Or the positives, really. Something about your vassals being less inclined to join factions?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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PittTheElder posted:

There's also a perk in Stewardship I think that gives you an MaA discount (up to 50% off?) scaled with your dread level. Dread is broken as hell, mostly in how you acquire it. Executing random unlanded prisoners should probably be +1 at most.

Especially when it's not a public execution. Not explicitly, anyway.

Shame it's a net benefit, since I like continuing the path characters have before they're handed to me.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Cyclopean needs to be an inheritable trait.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Tender Bender posted:

I wish I could sit down and have a conversation with people in this game. Or at least have the Civ-type trade window. I like this vassal who has a bumfuck County in my capital duchy. I wish I could tell him "I'm going to give you a nice title over here and make you a Duke, just give me this county here, it's win-win". Instead I have to take his land and hope he doesn't make me crush him.

Same with giving a faction leader a nice title if they would be so kind and disperse their angry mob.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Am I completely screwed out on getting the CK2 bonus cosmetic stuff like beards and silly hats? The ones you got from the not-achievement thingies? Couldn't even get the first one unlocked when they were a thing, and I see it ended up being a massive list.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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ilitarist posted:

They're going to add them for all eventually. Also as I understand you can only apply those in the barbershop, I don't remember seeing them on auto-generated characters. Makes them kinda pointless.

That's good, but what a shame. Oh well.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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PittTheElder posted:

That is my impression as well. It feels very much like they're waiting for all the features to be complete before talking about them. Which is a philosophy I can get behind.


Yeah it's been a thing (possibly in beta?) in EU4 for a long time. Honestly I don't hate it.

Jabor posted:

If I could have spent $5 every time I had the hankering for some CK2, played it for a week, then went back to something else, it would have been way cheaper for me than actually keeping up with the DLC train.

Please don't cheer for subscription models. They could've plonked down a $30 Complete Edition and set a precedent instead of following this dark path. I can't help but think that every inch towards anything subscription-based is gonna lead to worse things. Imagine wanting to play CK2 with all the trimmings somewhere in the future, but Paradox blew up somehow and you can't buy the individual DLCs anymore. It's like soiling your pants to keep yourself cool, or something.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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SlothBear posted:

I like that they're adding it but my initial take is that this is just another nerf to AI across the board, as managing supplies and figuring out when they're about to get rocked by men-at-arms with stacked bonuses are the sorts of thing they're already very bad at. As it is you can already pretty much lead a doomstack in a ring around the rosie until they're all starving to death and winter will just made it happen faster. Also the nerf to cavalry in particular will just make the mongols even less of a threat.

Paradox doesn't normally shy away from just letting the AI get a freebie on attrition, which I bet is gonna happen here again.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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It would also give that fuzzy RPG feeling, knowing that this county is known for its specialised polearm dudes, and raising those to help would mean a difference against that unit of incoming cavalry, instead of everything dropping into the same soup.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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That's insane. Also props to the CK3 team for having such a malleable game.

E:

PittTheElder posted:

Crusader Kings 3: Now we're talking

THE BAR fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Jan 20, 2022

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Tankbuster posted:

heavy infantry which is countered by light infantry.

Wait, what? Why? Even on completely flat fields?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Tankbuster posted:

It says right there on the unit counters. The starting LI are weak to archers but strong against Foot Infantry.

But that doesn't make any sense. You put guys in heavy armour to murder the peasantry in rags.


Pretty cool that both artifacts and the coat of arms maker are part of the free patch. The latter especially feels like something you'd normally find in a DLC.

THE BAR fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Feb 8, 2022

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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I really wish that gavelkind would let you choose what's distributed to whom, or that it's based on politics instead of the game playing 52 pickup for you. It makes little sense that my oldest child gets some backwater province, while our primary county goes to my fourth. It's cool that everything's split evenly, but there should be a reason that my heir loses out and doesn't get the ancestral homestead.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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I triest the Piast achievement, and holy crap, I do not appreciate the Greater Poland duchy is 6 provinces. That's a lot of stewardship you need until the end of the game.

Handing out provinces in your core duchy usually means very angry vassals, but right now I have an 80% tax/levy malus, oof.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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First of all, this guy is an absolute monster. He's researched 4 cultural techs from scratch, and doesn't seem to be stopping.

Secondly, having a tier 10 court is both stupidly easy to maintain, and is ridiculously overpowered. +48 opinion with everyone as a king? Even people I invade or imprison still have 80-100 opinion with me.

I also seem to remember them showing us, that you could rebuild or modify your court, or at least rooms connected to it, ending up with a maze people could get lost in or whatever. So far it's been nothing but extremely minor court events, and I've sort of stopped paying attention to them for mostly wasting my time.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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scaterry posted:

Player owns two mines, wonders why 100 grandeur is easy. more at eleven

It's more that asking the Pope for 3-400 gold every two years isn't hard to do. I also only own one mine in Innsbruck and suck at finances, but yes, it does help.

alcaras posted:

There’s a “Exocitize” decision but it didn’t seem to do anything visually.

Yeah, it seems to just be a button to make friends with a foreign ruler and get a bunch of fame out of it. Same with the court dress code button or whatever. I've yet to press either, so that's eggs on my face.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Feels a bit bad that you can't get a CB to release your daughter from some Norse concubine pen - whether she wants to leave or not.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Buschmaki posted:

This focus on cultures is just reminding me of how there are barely any clothes in the game, everyone from like, the seljuks to the han chinese are all just dressed in mongolian clothes and it's sorta super jarring...

I wouldn't mind a few more hats, either. Maybe some helmets? There's like one Norse helmet, since the chainmail one doesn't actually put one on you.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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TjyvTompa posted:

Even though they nerfed the seduction madness late-game is still a mayhem with every single character having "Love Pox". It's stupid.

In a similar vein, I'd wish the game wouldn't be inhabited by so many people wearing the same iron mask. Makes it a bit hard keeping track of everyone.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Bird in a Blender posted:

I recently had my sister, who was my spymaster at the time, get caught having sex with her grandson. She must suck at her job if everyone found that out. It had some consequences as she got excommunicated. When her husband died, I couldn’t find anyone worth a drat to marry her to.

That's when you just find the guy with the highest prowess/martial stat, so you at least get another knight out of it.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Midnight Voyager posted:

Holy god

So I decided for a bit of a change from melting pot madness and decided to try a start I've never tried before. Count Eudes. I get a puppy! The puppy runs off... and loving Haesteinn skinned him. Haesteinn skinned my dog. I am fourteen years old. WHAT THE HELL HAESTEINN.

Well guess what, I just murdered you and took your county from your son. Gave it to my brother.

Wait. He did the exact same thing when I played as Eudes!

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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BigPaddy posted:

If your commander/knights are good, have stacked the right building bonuses and not attacking through terrain that is a large negative to you. I did the Spiffing Brit start he dropped about a week ago with VV + Elephants and :staredog:

I'd like to watch more of his stuff, but every video has so much chaff in it. He's got like fifty catch phrases he has to painfully dole out.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Red_Fred posted:

Well I fought off some factions, took back my other two kingdoms from my brothers with ease. However went into a little debt and got a holy war declared against me which I had to surrender on.

If you were any kind of organised religion, people should be showing up over time to help you out. Did you immediately surrender?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Red_Fred posted:

In hindsight I probably should have waited it out a bit. I’m Norse in North Africa so it would have taken a while.

Oh well, I’m first in line to re-inherit a bunch of stuff so will just fast forward till this girl is an adult and see what happens.

Ah, yeah, nobody's gonna come and help if they don't neighbour you.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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The House Guard MaA you get from the Warfare dynasty only stacks to 500 troops. I'm already completely unstoppable, and they were good in the early game, but is there any reason to use them still, when everything else stacks to 1.700?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Taear posted:

it just seems insane my own vassal declaring a crusade on me, that's all

That happened to me as well, but there weren't enough Christians left to get the crusade started. I wonder what happens when the Pope's the last sole Christian left on the planet. Will he still attempt to start crusades against me?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Traxis posted:

How can I prevent my wife from leaving on an adventure and ditching me? Like clockwork less than 10 years into any Norse game my wife just takes off for some duchy in Poland and I can no longer interact with her.

Won't giving her a non-land title do it? Like Food Taster or whatever?

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Serephina posted:

Ugh, how I do I fix these hosed up feudal contracts? One powerful vassal got desposed by their own vassal, and this new guy's contract is literally nothing, taxes nor levies. It'd take several hundred years naturally, or a dozen murder plots to fix, nevermind doing so without tyranny.

What's the right way for going about this? If I revoke & eat tyranny he'd still be a vassal with the same contract, just lower ranked. Do I need to revoke EVERY holding for the contract to be destroyed? Alternatively, some smart way of turning him non-feudal?

If it's a kingdom or duchy, revoke and destroy it.

E:

I'm not even sure you need to hold a title to destroy it, if it's within your territory.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Josef bugman posted:

The weird thing for me is when vassals somehow manage to change their contracts despite me being in charge of the empire since its foundation in the 860s?

Also, getting close to 1200 ad, almost time to start having cannons and gunpowder

If they're a vassal of a vassal, you don't get to decide on their contract.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Hellioning posted:

Sure, the gay duke might seduce the queen in order to get something out of it. What does the queen get out of it? If she's straight, she might get a satisfying romantic and/or sexual relationship. If she's gay, she gets...yet another dude she's not interested in trying to sleep with her?

Interpersonal diplomatic ties. These may backfire horribly later.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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PittTheElder posted:

Well I've now broken 1000 hours in this game, and have unlocked 85 out of 86 achievements. Three guesses as to which one I'm missing; as a hint, it's rated as Easy!



This has happened exactly once to me, my first playthrough, where I forgot to turn on ironman. :cripes:

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Pakled posted:

I try to play tall sometimes but then I notice there's an unbetrothed six-year-old girl who's second-in-line to inherit Aquitaine, or a random dynasty member I'd never heard of with claims on Hungary shows up in my court, and like, you can't just ignore opportunities like that

Just give the land to a family member, then set them free.

Of course, they'll get murdered within the year by rebels and neighbours, but it gives a good, fuzzy feeling until then.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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PittTheElder posted:

The Post-Antioch phase is the weakest area of my First Crusade reading, but this doesn't seem to actually be the case? There was endless squabbling between the 5 guys right at the top over who should be in charge, but the crusader army was still operating as one force all the way down to Jerusalem. They understood it was a dangerous environment and operating separately was asking to get massacred.

On that note though, a system for peeling off participants to create Crusader States in occupied territory as a crusade progressed that'd be sweet, but it's also a phenomenon pretty specific to the First Crusade and it's context.

I wouldn't mind a DLC that added historical mechanics to each crusade. So the first was about crusader states and a giant stack of cooperating dudes, while the fourth would be more like how it is now. Then expand the crap out of it.

THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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I tried writing a bit about drawing specialised MaAs from your vassals, and how perceived vassal loyalty should be a thing, but I can't really put words to my mental ramblings right now. I just really like the idea of each region/ruler producing specialist troops, but it all falls apart when you don't really use MaAs outside of your own and mercenaries. Vassals just give you a stack of useless peasants, why aren't they supplying their actual troops, too?

It's a bit of a fantasy trope, the specialists from different regions, but it feels like that was what they were trying to do, anyway? And about the perceived loyalty thing - it feels like a shoe-in to have your vassal show up for your war, just to turn heel mid-fight or even joining the enemy, who's been making offers behind your back. Yet it.. doesn't really materialise itself like that ingame.

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THE BAR
Oct 20, 2011

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Masonity posted:

Of course, if you have the Making a Killing dynasty perk, "crusade" is Norse for "make a shitload of free gold".

Varangian troops, this thing, as many knights as you can fit, and declaring on whoever's the strongest is so stupidly powerful. I have to restrain myself from rolling Norse, because they're so hilariously broken. You don't need any land, you barely need any noticable amount of troops, but 3K varangians and ~30 knights can take over the world singlehandedly, if you just want to paint the map.

I don't remember when I last raised levies, even as a non-Norse. They eat your supplies and do nothing but die in return.

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