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notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Jose posted:

Lol at the New statesman writer hoping to score reef points and getting owned

https://twitter.com/CherylMorgan/status/1308495224923197441?s=19

This is a great source, ty for posting it.

I hav watched philosophytube's take on the issue, which is basically the same as this, but it'd didn't hit the nail on the head as well as this did.

I have the misfortune of being related to a TERF and a FART so sometimes struggle with countering their bullshit with little more than "gently caress off you hateful shits".

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notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Can someone help me out, there was a twitter thread with some really clear graphs relating to this story, https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/21/some-of-englands-most-deprived-towns-left-out-of-36bn-funding-scheme.

Does anyone have a copy/link/remember.

Thanks

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009


Who are we going for for treasurer?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Eararaldor posted:

So is there a NEC UKMT approval list for the elections? I'm not sure I can be arsed to read that many statements to weed out the good.

https://futureweneed.com/preference/

With Reg or Diana for treasurer

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I kinda feel sorry for Tory voters, they have to live with the knowledge that they voted for this shower of poo poo.

It's why they have to defend them, why they buy into thr culture war, they know they have hosed up and don't know how to backdown without losing face.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

To return to the earlier discussion about tax havens, this is the go to book:

https://www.hive.co.uk/Product/Nicholas-Shaxson/Treasure-Islands--Tax-Havens-and-the-Men-who-Stole-the-World/148437

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

ObamaAkbar. posted:

Too bad the next election is in over 4 years and the electorate will have entirely forgotten about this by then.

Stuff like this tends to stain a government. People will remember that The Tories are cunts, just not why.

It also helps for the next thing to come along, it will compound, much like what happened to JC.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

bump_fn posted:

idk if this is the best place to ask but: does anyone have recommendations for english language news outlets that focus on european news and aren't fash rags? the indy is ok but it is of course very UK focused...

Politico is pretty good (for liberals)

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Can someone help me find some pictures.

They are a series of drawings of how taxes would affect the average family.

The average family being a single mother on $250k (as they were about obamas tax plans of i recall correctly).

TIA

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

mrpwase posted:



I can't find the gif that recommends the guillotine for all of them though, sadly.

ty kindly

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I am guessing the report isn't going to get released until 11am or something like that, which means it will be in tomorrow's papers.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

thespaceinvader posted:

It's fine if you wanna do it. Raising money for prostate cancer research is admirable.


Of... who exactly?

The report itself isn't much of anything, the recommendations are pretty bland and not particularly bad for Labour at all.

Or do they mean the establishment response?

Isn't the establishment of an independent complaints handling mechanism going to kill the sovereignty of Labour as an organisation?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

stev posted:

There's something horribly addictive about Twitter, especially when it comes to news and politics. I find myself clicking onto posts that I know are going to be full of shitheads in the replies. I'm fully aware that doing so will upset me but it's like picking scabs. It's probably doing some irreparable damage to the ol' mental health.

I should probably just deactivate Twitter but there are so many genuinely cool and good people whose feeds I don't want to stop seeing.

I know what your mean, my feed is all cricket and comic strips.

My recommendations is frothing rage and I can't resist looking at the poop.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I am beginning to think that Keith is Labour's Bojo.

He wants to be PM, he knows he can be PM, he knows how to be PM, he just doesn't know why beyond a desire to "govern sensibly".

Look at his handling of the left, it isn't malice, it's the desire to never cause a single wave ever.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

If that last line was true he'd not have suspended Corbyn & removed the whip. He'd not have purged any left voices from his cabinet.

Anyway, here's Peter Oborne, former Spectator Political Editor & writer for among others the Mail & Telegraph, with an extremely reasonable take

https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1322463086180212736?s=20

I'm going to reply to this one as its the last one I saw, sorry to bring it up again but I keep making GBS threads and going, which isn't cool.

To explain my thinking, Keir is scared of headlines, any headline, it's why he is keeping his head down. He has looked at the graph that Swinson misunderstood and actually understood it. The more the electorate gets to know a politician the more the dislike them. This is also another thing he has in common with BlowJob, as blowie intrinsically understands this.

The only people in the party that are making any noise are The Left so that's why he is giving them the most grief. If you look at the handling of JC he just wanted the story out of the newspapers, and after a day it quickly became a 2nd row story on the major websites.

I admit I am very credulous, and I want to believe Keir is nothing more than milquetoast "soft lefty" instead of being Blair mk.2. The final proof will be how he handles the CAA complaints.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Jose posted:

if he doesn't want headlines then he shouldn't loving suspend corbyn lol

I think he knew headlines where coming so he wanted to control the narrative.

"I, sorry, the party have suspended Corbyn" instead of Jewish groups call for Corbyn to be suspended, why hasn't he been suspended yet, you said you had a zero tolerance policy in place etc. going on for days.

It also makes him look like a strong leader, but then he realised it would actually gently caress him hard if he claimed ownership. Which has now made him look weak, because he is weak.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009


I wonder if this a Cambridge Analytica style demotivation op.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Nottingham - The North or not?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

I agree that Nottingham is in the midland, but I have friends who live there who swear down it's the North and I like winding them up about it.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

So there is a lot of Left across the length and breath of the country, and instead of saying "cool, lets go have an s club party" we're arguing over whos Pantone is redder.

This is why The Tories win.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

apparently it's his last official gig before loving off to do Fox UK or what ever it's going to be called

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Is Owen Jones a Blairite now? Has he been cast out for being uncorrect?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

namesake posted:

He's always been melty - spent a lot of time under Miliband talking to the left and saying that they need to get involved with Labour but took him years to get behind Corbyn and has sort of resumed his Miliband position now that Starmer is in charge. This announcement that he'd like the left to fund a tv channel for him without actually risking too much himself or offering control to the funders is probably getting quite a backlash.

Edit: Also no Owen Jones OnlyFans so many people are disappointed.

Ty for the reply.

I can understand the anger at the lack of an OnlyFans, he is very cute.

Is modern day Milibandism seen as liberal or left? Guessing the lack of nationalising everything is the ultimate indicator.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009


This was made up, OP.

Would fit the new hell world we are entering.

Might go throw some money at some BLM bail funds.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

The closest thing we have to AOC in the UK is Grace Blakeley, but she seems more interested in being outside than inside

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Talking of monster munch, does anyone else have a problem with the multipacks in the shops are one flavour only?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

loving Croydon Council have loving hosed it lads.

Can we make it that if you want to be considered for elected office on a labour list you have to do a 6 months on how to do governance.

Ffs.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Continuity RCP posted:

I'm confused as to how they managed to get over a billion pounds into debt. None of the articles about this go into any detail, they just mention a £50m hotel failure and the council having the terrible idea to build affordable houses

I think it's the long term debt they have taken on to fund all their different venture. It could be, long term, they pay off but right now? hosed.

Really pisses me off as it shits on a good idea, and sets back all those people who were given a taste of acceptable services.

As another poster said, a lot of reporting is focusing on the council having the mad idea of doing something other than lining of pockets of the private sector.

Page snipe:

I like dogs:

https://imgur.com/r/pics/j0Uiy0n

notaspy fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Nov 12, 2020

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Jose posted:

glenn rightfully despises the democrats and takes every opportunity to poo poo on them and aslo realised trump is easily swayed and wants him to pardon Snowden. He is also extremely contrarian and a huge petty online bitch

but i'm sure the gay man married to a socialist who runs a dog shelter than employs homeless people is actually a fascist

Maybe he should take-up painting

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

thespaceinvader posted:

Reminder that public bodies shouldn't be considered to be in debt, they should be considered to be underfunded.

Public bodies being in debt just means they need more money.

Not strictly true if you are wazzing money up the walk speculating on the property market.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Rumda posted:

this isn't about Corbyn, this is about the start of a purge of leftist members and a stifling of members, this was always going to happen and the reason I quit the party the second Starmer was announced as leader and not a single news story since has made me regret that decision

Can't be purged if I've already left

: Picture of that dude tapping his head :

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Jose posted:

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1327345552380600322?s=20

I find the Carrie influence interesting.

When I read Laura K's tweet my gut reaction was the same as any normal person - wtf does Carrie have any influence.

However, reading PopBitch, gave an alternative POV which is Carrie was representing the usually ignored women of Westminster who thought that Cain was a total letch. Which is interesting that Boris might care about that sort of thing.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

jabby posted:

So what cities do the people here actually like, and why? Because making GBS threads on Leicester can come off as a mite snobbish, especially considering its relatively low average income and high non-white population. Perhaps you should explain what you actually want out of your local area.

I like Manchester, Nottingham, and Leeds. For much the same reason: lively places with a nice wack of history.

Not a fan for Bristol. Some bad vibe hangs over that city.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Jfc stop Thinking The Daily Heil is arguing in good faith here.

The point they want to make is "if you are so worried about poverty why not give all your money to charity and, most importantly, stop telling the rest of us what to do with our money you jumped up little git".

Sorry if you thought Marcus was Gary Neville reborn, he ain't, not yet. He could be brought round to a socialism but it will need to be done carefully. Not shouting ALAB at him.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Endjinneer posted:

Interesting thing about this Cummings situation is the role of Carrie Symonds. Both the popbitch angle and the more conventional reporting show her as at a key architect of Cummings' downfall.
If true that's a huge feat. Engineering for Boris a choice between two people, only one of whom might let him gently caress them as a reward.
But why would she bother in the first place? What would be her personal interest in ousting Boris' grand vizier, especially in light of the rumours about a violinist and how she and Boris are not seen together much?
No interest, except that Cummings is a rival to her influence. I think it's fair to say Boris likes to think with his dick, and Carrie knows how to lead him by it.

If I was being unkind I would say - you can't be first lady if your fella is no longer first man.

Maybe she really does love him, for all his known faults, and wants the best for him and her party.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Whenever someone says "free speech", you have to ask "who's".

The idea that free speech is an absolute is adolescent bollocks, in many cases, to grant one group the right to express themselves freely, satirical cartoonists for example, means that another has their right curtailed, a religious group in this example.

As a society we have limited, as have many others, the free speech of racists, rightfully so, yet some still believe that the absolute right still exists.

loving children.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

therattle posted:

I don't mean to open up an old argument but I have now gone and read most of the leaked Labour report into AS. I had read bits of it, and read about it, but not put in the time to read most of it. (I had work and childcare).

Firstly, my comment about comments in the report being taken out of context was stupid. Perhaps there were comments that were taken out of context but there are so many direct WhatsApp transcripts that it's not relevant.

Those WhatsApp transcripts are really appalling. I hope that many of those involved are expelled from the party. I find it hard to understand how one can hate a faction within the party so much that one would rather have the Tories in power. How anyone in Labour who by definition professes to have even moderately leftwing principles would prefer Conservatives to Corbyn is almost inconceivable. The most charitable interpretation to a lot of the chats is that it was likely that Labour under Corbyn would lose, and if the margin was sufficiently large, then he would have to go. I am not sure if some of those transcripts can even be read in that way. It's really depressing.

The failure of the GLU to deal with complaints is baffling. I sometimes discuss with my wife (usually about the current govt) if it's incompetence or malice, and I usually plump for incompetence. That said, incompetence in the face of increasing public awareness of AS as an issue in the party starts to look sinister. Mathews knew about the publicity and did very little about it. However, it seems that he did very little with other complaints too, so it may be that he was simply absolutely incompetent and/or lazy. I am assuming that the numbers quoted in the report are accurate, although I am aware that even numbers can be interpreted/derived differently (but with more difficulty than other things, perhaps).

The report is about factionalism but is also clearly factional itself, so I am taking it with a pinch of salt. However, even when read with some scepticism it's indisputable that the GLU was at best horribly incompetent and at worst actively malicious. I am beginning to change my view on how Labour treated allegations of AS, and Corbyn's role. It hasn't massively changed my perception of him - well-meaning but ultimately not a very good politician or particularly competent. I never thought that he was personally AS so this doesn't affect that view. I believe that the qualities that got him elected as leader and garnered him a lot of support were ultimately the same qualities that prevented him for expanding beyond that support base and winning elections.

Feel free to say I told you so - it's wholly warranted.

I think this is very big of you, you've done a lot more than most to read the report and to look at your assumptions.

On your point about factions, in a first past the post system the major parties are collations of ideological positions instead of being properly internally consistent. Looking at labour the two major ideologies are liberalism and socialism. Now liberals loving hate the left for a few different reasons. Firstly Liberals want to be The Good Guys (tm), and compared to the right they are (see Biden in the USA), but up against actual leftism they are exposed for the hateful cunts they are. Secondly, they want to be in power just as much as the Right does and for exactly the same reason - to be in power - but they think that The Left is preventing them from gaining it so they must be cowed or eliminated. Finally, they don't actually think there is to much wrong with the current system, it just needs a bit of tinkering and fixing, but if The Left got into power and was able to do it's think they would be made obsolete.

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

suck my woke dick posted:

Three reasons come to mind why people don't want to change for the better

1) It implies you didn't make the best possible life choices. What, are you calling me a loser, oval office? *gets ready to break your loving nose*

2) It implies you have been affected by circumstances out of your control. That's just too horrible to contemplate in a just world.

3) :effort:

Another reason I was reading about is that to say you are wrong usually means you have to reject your current in group and without a new one to join you are leaving yourself emotionally exposed.

https://jamesclear.com/why-facts-dont-change-minds

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Lol if you think the melts are leaving the party.

The cuktigs have shown them there is nothing for them outside the party.

They will make a load of noise to try and gain concessions, and starma will give them to them.

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notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Jose posted:

lol the press are doorstepping starmer now

I hope they are socially distancing.

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