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eke out posted:trying to remember which candidate tonight condemned white supremacy and which one told the nazis to stand by for orders -- can anyone help me out? Neither said they would defund the police
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Rockit posted:You can ask the same of every poster in this thread mate. One of the major political strategies this time around is interesting. Everybody is 100% decided. Politicians know this. There is no profit in swaying opinion, only discouraging your opponent's voters from voting. Please vote. It's not hopeless. Republicans simply want you to think it is so you won't.
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I didn't realize that "Nazis are bad" is both a honeypot and a controversial opinion. Delusional thinking.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Biden said that systemic racism exists. His utopian description of the "integrated suburbs" was wildly disconnected from reality and frankly incredibly insulting. If Trump hadn't been shouting unhinged lies constantly Biden's own bizarre statements might have gotten more scrutiny. Luckily for Biden, almost no one remembers a single word he said after that entire debacle.
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:Obama and Clinton were term limited. They were both wildly popular and would have been elected for third terms given the chance. There's no such thing as "ineffectual centrism." Centrism wins 2nd terms. 
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Are we going to vote for the guy who helped push through the votes needed to start the Iraq war, voted for the 94 crime bill, has repeatedly tried to cut social welfare programs, and actively supported segregation until the late 70’s, or Trump?
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:Obama and Clinton were term limited. They were both wildly popular and would have been elected for third terms given the chance. There's no such thing as "ineffectual centrism." Centrism wins 2nd terms. i wish the democrat party could just do a monarchy already so i could stop thinking about politics and toil happily in my factories for them
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TyrantWD posted:Less is better than more, but hey, if you want to be an accelerationist, have at it. "i will ensure the destruction & murder of your children for profit, but less" isn't the winning message you seem to think it is
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I can %100 agree with people saying Joe Biden sucks and will not actually bring about any real reform or change in a 4 year term. Where you're losing me is how handing Trump the reigns for another 4 years makes things better. Is this what 4D chess is???
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Vox Nihili posted:His utopian description of the "integrated suburbs" was wildly disconnected from reality and frankly incredibly insulting. If Trump hadn't been shouting unhinged lies constantly Biden's own bizarre statements might have gotten more scrutiny. Luckily for Biden, almost no one remembers a single word he said after that entire debacle. lol you're right, i completely forgot about the fantasy suburbs he made up
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eke out posted:trying to remember which candidate tonight condemned white supremacy and which one told the nazis to stand by for orders -- can anyone help me out? Both are for giving the police more money? 
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Shammypants posted:So we're going to wake up to every poll saying Biden won and a bunch of people who spent the night saying Biden got trounced just disappear into the aether again? Is that about right? Correct
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Kreeblah posted:https://elections.wi.gov/sites/elections.wi.gov/files/2020-09/2020AP1488-OA%20%2809-14-20%29.pdf A clerical issue resulting from having multiple conflicting addresses listed on ballots by the campaign isn’t terribly complicated and should have been cleared with evidence to address the discrepancy, not unlike updating an address with the DMV. Apparently there was a delay in appealing the issue, which should obviously have been appealed immediately and ideally prevented altogether.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:I didn't realize that "Nazis are bad" is both a honeypot and a controversial opinion. Delusional thinking. Neither candidate is against concentration camps, neither side things Nazis are bad, they agreed the riots need to stop, Biden said white supremacists are a problem but offered zero solutions because he has none.
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Shammypants posted:So we're going to wake up to every poll saying Biden won and a bunch of people who spent the night saying Biden got trounced just disappear into the aether again? Is that about right? I've seen 6 people just among ones I know who this morning were pitching a VOTE FOR BIDEN AND PULL HIM LEFT event toss their hands up and focus on local stuff instead as a result of the debate, but you'll never hear about it because its GND and M4A people who are exactly identical to racist trump voters to Biden and this The Party God willing I'll get even more to leave the top of the ballot blank. I can't find a single person who is happy with his performance, it rules
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OwlFancier posted:I'm asking because, like, do you not see a conflict between voting for crappy candidates and voting for not crappy ones? Like yeah you can vote left in the primary but if you vote right at the general anyway doesn't that send a much clearer message that nobody needs to tack left? We saw this tonight, too, with Biden's Louis XIV "I am the Democratic party" poo poo. He aggressively doesn't care about anybody to his left.
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Minion of Freya posted:If this applies to people from South America too someone should go back in time and tell Joe Biden! It doesn't - only the lives of american residents need enter into the liberal utilitarian calculus
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Sep 30, 2020 05:26
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fart simpson posted:i think you have me confused with someone else. i didnt say that. You have the same tag and didn't aruge against them shouldn't that mean you are the same?/s I don't get myself accused of liking concertation camps just because I voted for joe. Same thing here.
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Proud Boys got their name from the Disney Movie "Aladdin". LMAO!
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Rockit posted:You can ask the same of every poster in this thread mate. The democratic party already ignores me, the threat of continuing to be ignored isn't the threat you think it is.
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illcendiary posted:Correct Yeah the polls thread gets real dumb when it's like that. Yeesh.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:You are justifying the beliefs of literal Nazis by blaming the Democratic party. How about the counter-narrative of "Jews shouldn't be gassed" you loving idiot. If you're so smart, explain why the power of racism is ascendant in America while also allegedly being an immutable characteristic that is completely independent from external factors.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:so you want Trump to lose, would be happy he'd lose... but don't want to help that process? Are you going to thank Biden voters for their service at least? Sure, thank you for voting for the continued style of governance that will almost certainly yield a monster even bigger than Trump in 4 years. Thank you for voting defensively, for the ostensibly better of two establishment candidates, in this election and every election from hereon out until there are no more avenues of life in America to exploit and to bring misery upon. Thank you for choosing to moralize an election between two immoral rich white men and berating people on the internet for failing to see any advantage in voting for your corporatist of choice. Thanks for helping to create a political system that begin and ends with a duo of celebrities vying for the vote of Ken Bone. I am perfectly content to vote for someone who reflects my belief, and as soon as there is a presidential candidate who does so, they will get my vote. In the meantime, I am more focused on local politics where some actual progressive candidates can be found and deserve support. gently caress presidential elections and gently caress anybody who is content with harm reduction until we are all dead.
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:Obama and Clinton were term limited. They were both wildly popular and would have been elected for third terms given the chance. There's no such thing as "ineffectual centrism." Centrism wins 2nd terms. Conflating the incumbency advantage with an inherent "centrism advantage" is some incredible poo poo. Bush won a 2nd term also, we gotta do more invasions!!!! Not even going to bother noting they largely accomplished Republican goals and brought aid and comfort to almost no one.
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Popete posted:I can %100 agree with people saying Joe Biden sucks and will not actually bring about any real reform or change in a 4 year term. Where you're losing me is how handing Trump the reigns for another 4 years makes things better. Is this what 4D chess is??? I think the aggravation is that most of the people really stanning biden are seemingly unwilling to perceive burnout as like, a major systemic problem with the process of offering repeated lovely dem candidates in between increasingly horrific republican ones.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:The Proud Boys are not a "gang", they a white nationalist Neo-Nazi terrorist group. Yeah only non-whites have gangs, silly billy!
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punk rebel ecks posted:Proud Boys got their name from the Disney Movie "Aladdin". LMAO! wait what quote:Far-right organization the Proud Boys borrowed their name from the song,[145][146] an idea conceived by founder Gavin McInnes.[147] The idea originated in late 2015 when McInnes heard a rendition of "Proud of Your Boy" performed at his daughter's school recital,[76] taking issue with its lyrics which he felt implied "Aladdin was apologizing for being a boy, when actually we should let boys be boys." why is everything so loving stupid
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eke out posted:trying to remember which candidate tonight condemned white supremacy and which one told the nazis to stand by for orders -- can anyone help me out?
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Shammypants posted:So we're going to wake up to every poll saying Biden won and a bunch of people who spent the night saying Biden got trounced just disappear into the aether again? Is that about right? Regd04 praising and dreaming salivating over the Victory of the Technocrat
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Nix Panicus posted:The democratic party already ignores me, the threat of continuing to be ignored isn't the threat you think it is. That's probably because it's not a threat. It's your prerogative to keep on keeping on i'd suppose.
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Popete posted:I can %100 agree with people saying Joe Biden sucks and will not actually bring about any real reform or change in a 4 year term. Where you're losing me is how handing Trump the reigns for another 4 years makes things better. Is this what 4D chess is??? A trump win somehow makes them transform into vital gatekeepers of future policy. (it won't) There are a number of people who genuinely believe there is no difference between them but frankly, it's a dumb opinion. Very dumb. SKULL.GIF posted:Regd04 praising and dreaming salivating over the Victory of the Technocrat There's nothing but risk in your only "card" being 'hope Biden loses.' If Biden wins, and protest/third party voting is low, how does that help progressive politics again? I see some NoJoes on the forum as preparing to kick themselves in the rear end.
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PerniciousKnid posted:If you're so smart, explain why the power of racism is ascendant in America while also allegedly being an immutable characteristic that is completely independent from external factors. Really bending over backwards to try to excuse members of a literal Neo Nazi terrorist group. Some "very fine people", am I right?
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:Obama and Clinton were term limited. They were both wildly popular and would have been elected for third terms given the chance. There's no such thing as "ineffectual centrism." Centrism wins 2nd terms. ho ly gently caress
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Kibbles n Shits posted:Sure, thank you for voting for the continued style of governance that will almost certainly yield a monster even bigger than Trump in 4 years. Thank you for voting defensively, for the ostensibly better of two establishment candidates, in this election and every election from hereon out until there are no more avenues of life in America to exploit and to bring misery upon. Thank you for choosing to moralize an election between two immoral rich white men and berating people on the internet for failing to see any advantage in voting for your corporatist of choice. Thanks for helping to create a political system that begin and ends with a duo of celebrities vying for the vote of Ken Bone. I am perfectly content to vote for someone who reflects my belief, and as soon as there is a presidential candidate who does so, they will get my vote. In the meantime, I am more focused on local politics where some actual progressive candidates can be found and deserve support. gently caress presidential elections and gently caress anybody who is content with harm reduction until we are all dead. Thanks for keeping Trump in office by not voting for Biden. You can put all the fancy sauce on it you want but at the end of that day that is all you are doing. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:You are justifying the beliefs of literal Nazis by blaming the Democratic party. How about the counter-narrative of "Jews shouldn't be gassed" you loving idiot. Dont put words on my mouth, I voted for the only Jew in the primaries and not the guy who endorsed a program to sterilize Ethiopean Jews
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Yeah only non-whites have gangs, silly billy! The proud boys are not a gang, they are a literal white nationalist terrorist group. They are not the Juggalos.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1311147110713171968 This is a reachable person. This is somebody who has the potential to grow.
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ElrondHubbard posted:A clerical issue resulting from having multiple conflicting addresses listed on ballots by the campaign isn’t terribly complicated and should have been cleared with evidence to address the discrepancy, not unlike updating an address with the DMV. Apparently there was a delay in appealing the issue, which should obviously have been appealed immediately and ideally prevented altogether. So what you're saying is you didn't read it.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Really bending over backwards to try to excuse members of a literal Neo Nazi terrorist group. Some "very fine people", am I right? Do you not think the people who drafted the aforementioned "no citizenship, only work" "solution" to immigration might also be contributing to racism in the US?
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OwlFancier posted:I think the aggravation is that most of the people really stanning biden are seemingly unwilling to perceive burnout as like, a major systemic problem with the process of offering repeated lovely dem candidates in between increasingly horrific republican ones. I get that, I feel that too. I just don't understand after everything we've seen over the past 4 years and Trumps dismantling of every institution and decorum and norm and turning the justice department into his personal lackeys, then handing him a victory and affirmation that this was all acceptable will get us anywhere but in a worse place. If Trump gets another 4 years, bolstered by the validation of a 2nd term I don't think we will even have any shred of a real democracy left in 2024 to bring about a sweeping reform candidate.
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