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Lungboy posted:The media keep going on about how the Red Wall lent their votes to the Tories when largely it's simply not true, they voted Brexit Party and split the Labour vote so the Tories won by default. Their actual vote barely changed between 2017 and 2019, it was Labour votes going to TBP or LDem. It is true that Labour votes in those areas has been on the decline for decades now though. Labours relationship with the north of England and the voter base in those seats needs more perspective than just Corbyn and Brexit.
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Private Speech posted:Also they could've had another extension if Boris wasn't thirsting for Brexit so much. It was February, they were still riding high on the election and he thought he'd have a year to threaten any opposition into silence and get cheers from his large majority rather than all the open corruption being exposed during a pandemic and still pissing off the MPs and big business because of the lock downs. I think a last minute capitulation by the Tories is possible but it's a close run thing. Edit: lol wait the deadline for that was July. Yeah he's just thirsty for Brexit and it's no deal. namesake fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Dec 6, 2020 |
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Comrade Fakename posted:I love that the government are running TV ads compelling businesses to prepare for the transition at the end of the month, but with no deal signed we have no idea what we’re transitioning into, and it’s impossible to prepare. It's basically getting told that the local gangster is looking for you and is really angry about something. You don't exactly know what's happened but you're going to get some sort of a battering before all is said and done. Leavers keep not changing their mind because everything that has happened has happened on tv. The various international connections that impact their lives will only become apparent once severed, even if it's lovely bourgie concerns like they can't get European labour for cheap any more.
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ronya posted:I am a little skeptical - the usual suspects in the press have been angling for "blame Europe for the deal" for a while now but I don't know that this will actually stick Oh doubtlessly they'll blame the EU, but it's unavoidable that the problems will be because of Brexit not going like the platonic form they had envisioned and some will change their minds because of it.
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Angrymog posted:Was the 'Last chance to request an extension is July' thing a self-inflicted deadline, or from the EU? If the former, wouldn't another option be we ask for another extension? (I mean, it's a terribly hopeful option, so it won't happen even if possible, but...) It was part of the previous agreement so it would requre another signed agreement to change it. So yes we could just ask but there's really no time for anything right now and the EU seems institutionally sick of dealing with the UK.
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Mebh posted:So when is the news that we're officially turbofucked supposed to happen today? Wednesday seems to be the final day for anything so there's another day of 'nothing to report'.
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stev posted:I did that in Co-Op and hated it. I'm conditioned to feel like a criminal if I can't physically show a person/machine that I haven't got anything in my bag that I haven't paid it. If you feel like a criminal anyway why not take the opportunity to actually shoplift?
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kecske posted:they're mandatory now, people still don't wear them. buses are full of people spraying away and blasting boogers and disease everywhere I bet as it gets colder then people will realise the benefits of having face coverings without the hassle of a full scarf. I reckon we'll see an increase from this winter onwards.
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So we'll finally know what Brexit means on Sunday. lol jking it's no deal, Boris probably showed up drunk to the dinner and insulted everyone.
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Sounds like the British Virgin Islands need to Take Back Control. Only actually because all the islands should be their own countries completely rather than ruled by the UK.Necrothatcher posted:Random question. I've just noticed that I'm not paying anything for broadband. I'm on Three and on a rolling monthly contract. It was all fixed payments until September when they paid me £30, and from then they've been billing me for £0.00 a month. Service hasn't been interrupted in any way and I've had no correspondence saying anything's up. The intelligence services are actively monitoring you and asking Three to keep you connected. namesake fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Dec 11, 2020 |
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Jose posted:https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1337439534821339136?s=20 lol I think the only way this can escalate is that Johnson isn't even actually doing this for personal gain but just wants to lead the glorious charge out of the EU entirely out of nationalism and will resign on Jan 1st with his primary mission accomplished.
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There was that guy who tweeted the joke about blowing up the airport unless their service improves and got dragged through the courts. He only got a fine (also lost his job) and won on appeal eventually but yes we do criminalise social media posting in a general, although not as harsh, sense.
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therattle posted:If you can’t see the distinction between a joke about a bomb blowing up an airport Well that rather depends if this womans conviction is later successfully appealed/pardoned as well doesn't it? There was a long period of time where the UK conviction was valid and you could make the same arguments about excessive state monitoring and prosecution. So either the nature of the threat against the airport is somehow criminal in itself and so should be treated differently regardless of how serious the tone or credible the threat is, which I think is a bad call as there are millions of idle threats delivered in person and online and it is not appropriate to level that sort of action against them all, or both the UK and Iran have in these cases really overstepped the mark in a comparable way and while the UK system eventually worked its way back to more solid ground Iran might still do the same.
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You don't develop transformative political attitudes with the view that the place you live in and Earth in general is an all right place really and just needs some rough edges sanded off.
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Jeremy Corbyn is going to announce Brexit. Edit: No wait he's going to announce he's signed a deal with the EU. Just troll the poo poo out of the Tories. namesake fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 12, 2020 |
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Jose posted:anyone else feel that mark zuckerberg is probably the single most damaging influence in the world generally rn in terms of just how much stuff is getting hosed because he refuses to get involved and stop it. insane whatsapp groups sharing stuff in brazil was a big part of why bolsonaro won for example and we all know how damaging facebook refusing to properly moderate content is . a ton of stuff that facebook should be doing it doesn't specifically because of him Rumours and conspiracy theories have existed well before the computer, the damage done by Facebook is a reflection of the damage done by the capabilities and development of capitalism to connect the masses AND alienate the masses from anything we might consider good. If he wasn't a lovely person happy to ally with the US military and intelligence services then some other social media giant would have appeared. Continuity NIP posted:Facebook has facilitated genocide, Zuckerberg should be kept in a little cage in The Hague for the rest of his life Well in terms of individual accountability yes but we're getting close to the idea that we can liberate the people by killing the Tsar which just isn't true.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Just replying to my own post because I forgot the actual point I was trying to make. Zuboff has written about this in The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: the capitalist business model needs labour to produce value, and all digital platforms harvest their users activity as a form of labour to generate their actual source of profit - advertising and socioeconomic demographic mapping and monitoring. Therefore just as industrial capitalists seek to extend the length of the working day or the intensity of work, digital capitalists seek in increase the monitoring, penetration of surveillance and digitisation of all your activities, encouraging you to neglect all non-digital forms of existence because they cannot be recorded and commodified. To have an internet that is designed to be useful rather than addictive requires a socialised internet, either state owned by a pretty benevolent state or outright socialism and a worker controlled internet. Some of the later examinations of the impact of Cambridge Analytica, etc aren't particularly flattering about their results and I don't think we're at the stage of real conscious control through internet usage but there's a huge echo chamber radicalisation effect which is boosting extremism. As a radical leftist that's good in some ways but it is clear that we're getting outmatched in the scale of results. There's also the obvious problems if the decisionmakers think that they are actually in control and changing things based on the quantifiable metrics and miss the actual driving forces behind society - like the USAs obsession with the stockmarkets rather than the living conditions of the working class. namesake fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 13, 2020 |
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The right have considerably more money to spend on targeted ads. We need a couple of secret billionaire lefties here to match them. Eh like I said the manipulation factor of Cambridge Analytica was exaggerated. That's not to say their data harvesting and usage was therefore okay or that advertising isn't effective but it wasn't the master manipulator tool that was initially claimed. Remember these accusations were coming from liberals who just couldn't understand how Brexit or Trump won in a vote and so had to find some reason for it other than the groups they supported ran awful campaigns and material conditions for a lot of people totally sucked and they voted for change. The left needs to organise and attract the working class and that can't be done with targeted advertising. There's plenty of need for conveying information, pushing arguments, etc but it's all for nothing without the organised political force then able to reach those people and turn the familiarity with the argument into latent support and the latent support into active agitation on campaigns over objective reality. Information campaigns, even if they are really good at convincing particular people that things are totally rotten, cannot lead to political power right now. The people who can be organised are already going to be aware that a lot of things suck, they lack a pole of attraction to unite them together to win the class war.
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Well that's just code for 'actually attends a meeting about it' isn't It?
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Jedit posted:Look at this person who thinks Boris will attend a meeting. He'll do nothing, as always. Hey meetings are the perfect place to do nothing, but Johnson requires making an effort to go to a meeting to do nothing.
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crispix posted:How long after no deal announcement do we get the obligatory guardian article saying it's actually maybe a good thing, actually No they'll say this is the worst possible outcome and a horrible reflection on Corbyns Labour Party for not being strong enough opposition to stop it.
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Jedit posted:Which is around 30% true. If Corbyn had been a stronger leader he would have purged the likes of Hoey and Mann in 2017. Without them, the vote forcing the government to keep us in the Single Market passes. Boris probably still calls a GE in late 2019 so he can apply the principle of no government binding its successor, but he has to do it specifically so we can exit the EU with no deal (or break the deal we've already agreed). I'm not sure that has the same outcome as the election to "Get Brexit Done", and even if it does then he loses his capacity to blame the EU for the fallout. That's absolutely not the line the Guardian would use though lol Also that arc is only visible with hindsight - while the right was openly wrecking from the start it wasn't clear that driving them out wouldn't result in mutual destruction until the 2017 GE which gave Corbynite Labour enough internal drive to keep it going until 2019. Hopefully the left has learned the right lessions now but it's not fair to say it was obvious at the time. No excuses post 2017 though apart from weakness and lack of drive and vision from the Labour left which is still loving them now.
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Yeah personal attitudes to top politicians definitely change the particulars of the reporting but are generally crushed beneath the ideological messaging from the owners and editors. Is Labour infighting or are they promoting a serious internal culture of debate around vital issues of the day? Well that depends if the left is winning or not. The about face the entire press does when the Tories adopt any Labour policy or attitude makes that perfectly clear.
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dispatch_async posted:https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1338445422294130692 Sounds like the unconscious bias training he went through didn't work very well if he's unable to recognise even overt bigotry.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Well exactly. You can't because nowhere will take them. But yes ideally deport all murderers. That's incompatible with a universal sense of justice, particularly globally. You either invent prisons again, do the death penalty or create a wilderness which is beyond your law which is a tricky proposition ethically.
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It's been a fact for a long time yes but it doesn't make it ethical, only practical.
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XMNN posted:https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1338499156982329346 First they try and bring Halloween over here from the USA, then Black Friday and now the COVID Thanksgiving massacre. Where will it end?
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sebzilla posted:This is probably not a good thing for Labour's chances of winning a majority any time soon, right? Not with those inter-England regional reallocations no. Still, the way forward is to realise you won't seize power electorally and adjust your activism accordingly.
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Bone Crimes posted:So, like these discussions of racism and transphopbia and labor leadership are super important, but I don't understand how like the #1 topic of discussion in the UK is the looming hard Brexit in 16 (!) days. Like, what's the plan for food, medicine, and stuff like sodium hypochlorite for water treatment? I mean, if I was on a a prescription treatment for anything, I would be hard-core freaking right now. Seems like HMG has nothing? No plan, no hail mary prep? Nothing but weaksauce attempts at 'discussions' with the EU? I mean WTF? All the government can do is negotiate and/or capitulate and all the public can do is hope it ends up with some sort of a deal or prepare to commit some fun crimes in the near future so yeah it's just wait and see.
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More like https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ohhib 33 loving years and you only need to change the puppets to update it.
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happyhippy posted:I maybe reading this wrong, but loving hell its more farcical than that. No it's not that bad. It's just: kustomkarkommando posted:I mean if you remember that state aid doesn't necessarily mean direct cash injections but also selective tax breaks and sweetheart tax agreements it entirely tracks that the Tories are chomping at the bit to start cutting deals with companies who just so happen to be run by their mates to "stimulate progress" And the UK wants to have as open access as possible for all its goods to the EU and also be about to set its own policies about how it can support them. The EU disagrees because that isn't a level playing field.
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There is a distinct strain getting passed around and it seems to be getting dominant quickly so the idea that it is more infectious than other types is legit. However it is getting passed around and might only exist at all because our tiers have always been inadequate to contain the spread of the virus which is why we're rushing to a third lockdown already. Join the Zero Covid campaign so that this next lockdown doesn't just delay the spread by three weeks. Instead we eliminate the spread of the virus by getting everyone to stay home, paying them enough to do so rather than wasting it on corrupt friends of the Tories and having a proper test and trace system in place to keep cases low and contained until we complete vaccination. https://zerocovid.uk
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Jakabite posted:Any more infor on Zero Covid? Who's behind it, etc? The idea was kickstarted by a loose group of Manchester socialists and trade unionists. As such it's a constellation of people from different groups and varying politics a bit but it's not a front for anything.
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peanut- posted:I don't really get what part of this is allowed tonight that wouldn't be allowed tomorrow? Tomorrow has an urgent sense of being wrong to do while today is fine because it's not against the guidance, even though the guidance is reflecting currently existing conditions.
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stev posted:Also the guidance says don't leave your tier so they're explicitly going against it by leaving tonight. This is a stupid point to argue because a train from London to Leeds definitely against the spirit of that but there are other places in the country in Tier 3.
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The more I think about it the more I'm just astounded that the government didn't start by introducing a 10 point scale or something with 0 being 'We've cured COVID 19' and 9 being 'Stay at home even if your house is on fire' and then just use that in all circumstances rather than introducing new rankings and tiers and scales whenever their stupid controls fail. Even as new things come down the pipe like the impact of schools reopening or a new strain it would only require an upgrade or at worst a sector specific change to the scale system rather than unclear new restrictions getting fired out at random.
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TACD posted:I thought they did introduce a 1-5 COVID ranking months ago, set it at 3.9 and then never mentioned it again? Yes that's my point. They rolled out the biosecurity rating system, destroyed it in the same national Powerpoint presentation, never mentioned it again and then brought out the tier system. I'm just amazed that someone didn't think at the early stages how to design a system that will give them at least the appearance of control by covering the full range of eventualities. If everyone has a few weeks to learn that all Threat locations of 4 or higher are closed at Scale 4 then even if you need to say that given new research that gyms are Threat 4 then people will know what the gently caress is happening and what changes are needed when their area moves in the scale. The ruling class has never ruled for the good of all, rarely for the good of most but now they don't seem able to rule for the good of themselves.
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MagicalCarp posted:Remember the Five Tests? The jokes about the Tories adopting the Five Pillars and banning alcohol sales meaning they'd converted to Islam were pretty funny tbf.
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