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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Sherbert Hoover posted:

would expect a country with this flag to be a little more chill



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nice obelisk idiot
May 18, 2023

funerary linens looking like dishrags

Sherbert Hoover posted:

would expect a country with this flag to be a little more chill


one of their national treasures is called The Stone of Possession so i'm not surprised that it's a very all or nothing place wrt witchcraft.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in


quote:

Last October, Mr Herminie and six of his Seychellois co-accused were freed on bail. They were charged with the possession of items intended for use in witchcraft, conspiracy to perform witchcraft and procuring services related to witchcraft, according to local media reports at the time.

Prosecutors originally alleged that the opposition leader's name appeared in a WhatsApp message between a Seychellois national and a Tanzanian suspect, who was arrested last September at the main international airport.

The Tanzanian was found with items allegedly related to witchcraft, including stones, black wooden artefacts, small bottles of brownish liquid, a collection of powders and documents with strange language and "demonic and satanic" symbols, they said.

quote:

The prosecutor told a magistrates' court in the capital, Victoria, that he was withdrawing all charges against him.

No reasons were given for the decision.

I assume Mr Herminie used witchcraft to force his opponents to withdraw their charges of witchcraft, and hell, I loving respect it

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008






tag you are self, im

Ohtori Akio
Jul 15, 2022
metaphor for sure.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

I don't know what "moonfoam" is supposed to mean so I googled aphroselenon and one of the first results was something named "Drawing Down the Moon: Defining Magic in the Ancient Greco­-Roman World" which begins thusly

quote:

This introductory chapter provides a definition of magic. One of the most useful adjustments in the recent scholarship on magic has been the turn to considering magic as a dynamic social construct, instead of some particular reality. Magic is not a thing, but a way of talking. Thus, magic is a discourse pertaining to non-normative ritualized activity, in which the deviation from the norm is most often marked in terms of the perceived efficacy of the act, the familiarity of the performance within the cultural tradition, the ends for which the act is performed, or the social location of the performer. Such a discourse always has a history, since such a way of talking about things shifts over time as different people do the talking. When one speaks of “magic,” therefore, one should always explain: “magic for whom?” Any specific piece of evidence from the ancient Greco-Roman world provides an example of magic for that particular person, from one particular perspective. To speak of “magic in the ancient Greco-Roman world” is thus to refer to the whole range of things that various people in those cultures during those times could label as “magic.” The chapter then considers the act of drawing down the moon.

I'm still unclear what moonfoam is but Ok, I am probably that one

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

I assume Mr Herminie used witchcraft to force his opponents to withdraw their charges of witchcraft, and hell, I loving respect it
Same. That's one of the most important uses of witchcraft- practical magic for practical results! lol

Speaking of practical results, I've been seeing a lot of them in my life from explorations into animism and shamanism over the last couple years, and especially the last couple months. I've posted a little about them in the UFO/UAP thread (trust me, it makes sense in context), and I was wondering if this would be a good place to crosspost some of my effortposts, and maybe go into more depth about it?

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Squizzle posted:



tag you are self, im

moonfoam, absolutely

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Hatebag posted:

moonfoam, absolutely

more like goonfoam

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

Can AI do magic?

If someone trained a state of the art artificial intelligence on all the magical texts and theory they could find, what would happen

I feel like this could be an exciting way to combine potential dystopian futures

Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!
Cast a spell that will bless me with good posts on a gay internet forum.

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Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!
as soon as someone here finds a dash of wit we can try it

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

oh my god :lol:

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

Can AI do magic?

If someone trained a state of the art artificial intelligence on all the magical texts and theory they could find, what would happen

I feel like this could be an exciting way to combine potential dystopian futures

do you believe in magic

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

Can AI do magic?

If someone trained a state of the art artificial intelligence on all the magical texts and theory they could find, what would happen

I feel like this could be an exciting way to combine potential dystopian futures

yeah but i dont see what the other two paragraphs have to do with it

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Sherbert Hoover posted:

Cast a spell that will bless me with good posts on a gay internet forum.

ChatGPT
🌈 Spell for Forum Fortune 🌈

Ingredients:

1 pinch of positivity
3 drops of creativity
A dash of wit
Rainbow-colored thread (optional)

Instructions:

1. Find a quiet space where you can focus.
2. Light a candle to symbolize the flame of inspiration.
3. Mix the ingredients in a bowl, visualizing your desired posts shining brightly.
4. Recite the following incantation:

5. Visualize your forum interactions filled with joy and affirmation.
6. Tie a knot with the rainbow-colored thread to seal the spell (if using).
7. Blow out the candle, releasing your intentions into the universe.
8. May your posts be as vibrant and captivating as the rainbow itself! 🌟
This rules and I'm gonna adapt it, make it my own. thanks <3

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Sherbert Hoover posted:

as soon as someone here finds a dash of wit we can try it

my mars is in groucho and my venus is in dave barry

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

Al! posted:

yeah but i dont see what the other two paragraphs have to do with it
Take some time to train your intuition, and you might

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

do you believe in magic

what does your heart tell you, H.P. Hovercraft


Al! posted:

yeah but i dont see what the other two paragraphs have to do with it

I was thinking about AI lacking a sense of right or wrong, but I have since remembered this is actually famously associated with wizards as well

edit: I have since gotten your joke too :dumb:

LITERALLY A BIRD has issued a correction as of 02:03 on Feb 26, 2024

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Sherbert Hoover posted:

quote:

By the power of the rainbow's arc,
Let my forum posts make their mark.
With creativity and flair,
Bless me with posts beyond compare.
On this gay internet forum, let it be,
Good fortune and positivity come to me.

Orbs
Apr 1, 2009
~Liberation~

LITERALLY A BIRD posted:

I was thinking about AI lacking a sense of right or wrong, but I have since remembered this is actually famously associated with wizards as well

edit: I have since gotten your joke too :dumb:
:hmmyes: (I also took a little while to get the joke too, but I'm glad I did, lol)

Sherbert Hoover posted:

Cast a spell that will bless me with good posts on a gay internet forum.
By the power of the rainbow's arc,
Let my forum posts make their mark.
With creativity and flair,
Bless me with posts beyond compare.
On this gay internet forum, let it be,
Good fortune and positivity come to me.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




witness sorceries

https://i.imgur.com/xm1eUmt.mp4

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

:lmao: now that we have established Forums User Al! can perform magic and Forums Users Orbs and LITERALLY A BIRD can sometimes get jokes, I want to go back to my cannabis-influenced thought yesterday

Because like, the way I see it, there are two big reasons behind an individual perceiving "magic" (generalized) as not being real. A person might believe in the idea of magic without knowing how to perform it. I believe violin music is real. If someone hands me a violin, can I create music with it? Absolutely not, I don't know any of the other things needed to be able to operate that violin in ways that would produce what other people agree to be music. A person, a scholar of music, might also know all the practical theory behind playing a violin without having a violin or a bow of their own to try to play. With no violin, there is no reality of violin music; only theory.

So then the two requirements for magic to be real to an individual are that the individual have knowledge of how to operate the system, and also belief that they are capable of operating the system, or at least willingness to try. A learning program trained on a database of hundreds and thousands of primary and secondary sources on ancient and modern magic would have an unparalleled depository of knowledge about the operating system, and if it were told the system is efficacious it would not be troubled by insufficient "belief." It would just go Oh, okay, and start creating output (spells) in this new language (magic), informed by thousands of years of information and unburdened by whether the language it is using is or is not "real."



And then you know, since a lot of people seem afraid of theoretical omnipotent future AIs these days I started picturing a world ruled by Techno-Merlin, the unkillable AI in the Cloud who knows every way to use magic spells and has no moral compunction about ensorcelling human society when it sees us making problems its magic could fix.

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

Also I guess golems and ushabtis and such are themselves just magical AIs, come to think of it.



...maybe these guys too...

LITERALLY A BIRD
Sep 27, 2008

I knew you were trouble
when you flew in

This article is so long and most of the people who would want to read it probably follow the UFO thread and already clicked on this when D-Pad posted it there. But I am finding it convenient that my post history in here is basically a depository of links to articles about magic that I find interesting, and although it is really long it is also really good, so here it is.

https://www.secretorum.life/p/the-most-dangerous-idea

quote:

The traumatic secret is this: the laws of physics can be bent or in some way transcended by extreme states of consciousness, “a visionary warping of space and time effected by the gravity of intense human suffering”. Most, if not all, supernatural phenomenon are manifestations of this warping.

quote:

In traumatic transcendence, we see reality responding to an acute state of consciousness in some individual. However, there may also be a sense in which this happens “chronically” in response to states of collective consciousness. This leads to a startling conclusion, one that forms a central theme of Kripal’s work: culture directly affects the real by mediating and constraining the kinds of consciousness experiences which people are capable of having. In a very literal sense then, the metaphysical paradigm of an age determines the metaphysical truth of that age.

We did not simply realize the truth of secular materialism, we “realized” it.

Crucially, this is not something that one can simply opt out of by adopting some facile belief in the supernatural. To live in this age of disenchantment is to operate within an episteme of doubt and suspicion; this makes it almost impossible to obtain those states of consciousness which require absolute metaphysical belief of some kind. The spell was broken once we began compulsively “looking over our shoulders at other beliefs” (Charles Taylor).4

quote:

The function of God is the focus. An intense mental state is impossible, unless there be something, or the illusion of something, to center upon... I conceive of the magic of prayers” (Charles Fort). Not that piety is necessary here. Only focus. “I conceive of the magic of blasphemies. There is witchcraft in religion: there may be witchcraft in atheism.” (Authors of the Impossible, pg. 119)

quote:

[But] traumatic transcendence seems to require something more than just trauma.

It seems to require love.

[...]

We might venture a tentative conclusion: whatever (or whoever) it is that generated and sustains reality is either (partially) made of love or capable of expressing it.

This Most Hopeful Idea stands at odds with the Most Dangerous Idea with which we began. Are we really to suppose this a cosmos in which transcendent goodness can only be known through immanent evil? Can such a morally contradictory reality truly be envisaged?

It cannot be, I would contend, if you subscribe to the dominant metaphysic of the last 2000 years or so. In both the Eastern religions (yes I’m glossing over a massive amount of diversity here) and the Abrahamic religions, out of which secular modernity was born (more on this later), the cosmos is fundamentally intelligible and rational, univocal and unipolar, with a single-track eschatological system through which this flawed existence can be transcended (karma, Nirvāṇa; sin, Heaven; “progress”, Techno-utopia). Such a simple and benevolent world-system is incompatible with the Most Dangerous Idea—how could a good God (or a neutral Nature) allow reality to be arranged in such a manner?

But if we go further back, back to those spiritualities suppressed by today’s world religions, we find belief systems that have no problem with a morally paradoxical cosmos.

In many (all?) polytheistic systems (e.g. the Norse, the Greek), there is typically a sense in which gods are understood to be capricious, even mischievous, and not altogether benevolent. These gods, though worthy of respectful recognition and a kind of soft veneration, are not the all-powerful, worship-demanding gods of monotheism. Their motivations and concerns may be largely opaque to us, but they are at least humanly—we are as much made in their image as they are made in ours. These are gods that can be negotiated with, bartered with; these are gods that have a sense of humor, of irony, and a penchant for the dramatic. The myths of these gods are, on one level, mere stories meant to delight and instruct, but there is also a profound truth in them, not in the content but in the medium of the story itself (as always, “the medium is the message”).

Reality is not stranger than fiction—it is fiction.

quote:

Most late-stage religions distrust mystics and lock them up in monasteries or hermitages; they rightly fear the renewing but disruptive effect of theophany. Eventually, for most of the religion’s followers, even the theoretical possibility of unmediated experience of the divine is lost, or thought of as the preserve of specialists and madmen.

And this decay impoverishes our spiritual lives. It cheats us of our birthright to the sacred lightning.


Here's why I care enough about whether magic might be real, and whether other people have the opportunity to think magic might be real, to continue posting about it in here by the way

quote:

There are countless theories about why human and animal sacrifice were so widespread and pervasive throughout history, but as far as I can tell there has been no consideration of the (unsettling) possibility that sacrifice actually works. In other words, the sacrificial suffering and death of conscious beings does reliably (or unreliably) cause some form of supernatural phenomenon to occur as traumatic transcendence. Ancient peoples perceived this and attributed the efficacy of sacrifice to appeasement of the gods.

Alternatively, sacrifice may work not because TT can be induced in this manner (more on this below), but sacrificial practices developed out of an awareness of spontaneous naturally-occurring TT events, events which would have been much more common in the distant and pre-modern past given the greater amount of suffering and trauma-related deaths.

quote:

Recall the theory that was advanced earlier, “the metaphysical paradigm of an age determines the metaphysical truth of that age”.

RIP Aaron.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




drugs

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
:haibrower:

Jeremiah Flintwick
Jan 14, 2010

King of Kings Ozysandwich am I. If any want to know how great I am and where I lie, let him outdo me in my work.




Yeah Martyrs was a pretty sick flick. Haven't seen the American version, bet it sucks.

polycritical
Mar 7, 2024
Mage the Ascension is literally real. That realization blew my mind

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




polycritical posted:

Mage the Ascension is literally real. That realization blew my mind

brucato—the most iconic, enduring, and arguably influential of the mage developers—tried to shape the game into a teaching tool for his worldview: a sort of neopagan/new age expedient means. thats (one of the reasons) why he reversed so many of the changes revised edition made, when he headed up the 20th anniversary edition, to bring it more closely into alignment w his own vision of not just the game but of reality

which makes it even funnier that jess heinig was leagues better in terms of shaping the game to express the core realities it leveraged: no one cares if you are breaking reality or using tools built into it, as long as you are open to making the attempt; collaboration, persistence, and effort are key to big effects; the greatest threat is the perceived impossibility of a better world; cultural realities matter

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




i think they heinig was also the dev when they published lost paths, which came out like four months before 9/11 and mentioned how certain mage group(s? at minimum the taftâni) got along w the afghan taliban

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




and after a decade of saying that no one needs a book on nyc because everyone is already familiar we it via its cultural presence, white wolf published new york by nite w a street date of like a week before 9/11. justin achilli, the vampire dev, got real wound up about people talking about how particular current events could fit into the world of darkness and posted some all caps thread title like THIS IS NOT A GAME to tell people to stop speculating about how the lasombra downed flight 93 or w/e. didnt help that they were right in the middle of their middle east themed “year of the scarab”

9/11 presented unique challenges to white wolf

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




other things heinig got powerfully correct: old overtly powerful people wont save you and its 💯% fine if they all end up exiled into the cosmic flush hole; fuckin off into imagination land is fine for a lark or a purpose but it doesnt make you superior to anyone else; sometimes weird poo poo just happens and you can just accept that; the front-and-center placement of resonance—the influence of yr own nature and person and manner—instead of supernatural paradox effects; gnosis/enlightenment/access to the fundamentals of reality isnt an instant win over everyone else its a path to understanding

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

my bony fealty posted:

good morning my witches

polycritical
Mar 7, 2024
yeah well at this point the la sombra may as well have

This is Not a game

polycritical
Mar 7, 2024
I almost threw up laughing, thank you

polycritical
Mar 7, 2024
If mage is real does that mean that vampire is also? I need time to think

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




polycritical posted:

If mage is real does that mean that vampire is also? I need time to think

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

vampire is fake. but werewolf is real

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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




my ol memory was playing tricks on us all, because ny by nite came out in november and had an intro hastily added that was like “yeah we had this mostly ready when the while towers thing happened. it wont be mentioned in the rest of this book. god bless america????”

this book is the one that came out a week before 9/11:




Holy War (Hunter: The Reckoning) posted:

What Monsters Lurk

Hunters may have been exposed to the truth of the World of Darkness—that monsters exist—but they actually learn very little about what stalks the night. Every hunter must answer the call in his own way, according to his own values and beliefs. What other choice does he have? But what if a radically different outlook made the hunt a radically different reality? What if you could make the hunt your own?

In the Cradle of Civilization?

Hunter: Holy War invites you to travel to the Fertile Crescent—the Middle East and Egypt—to discover what beasts lurk even under the desert sun. Whether your hunter travels to this foreign land or is the desert's son, learn how different cultures answer the call—and how their hunt is different from that of the West. Discover how you can define the hunt.

check out the chapter titles!!!

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