Hairy Marionette posted:

I mostly stick to the Teunp thread and haven’t noticed any significant discord caused by the situation, but I’m going to throw in my two cents cause posting is more fun than working.

Hairy Marionette posted:

The Chinese are probably doing a genocide. It seems like a bit worse of a genocide than the one America is doing at our southern border. Both empires are evil.

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Has there been active moderation of people getting slapped for "genocide denial" and if so can I see some examples?

Hot Karl Marx posted:

Posters can be pretty aggro if you're fairly ignorant to certain issues, I don't know about China much and I've wanted to ask questions about the region cause I know next to nothing but I also don't want to deal with some of the more toxic posters so I just lurked it most of the time. Pulling up people's post histories just to shut down discussions is pretty dumb imo and that should stop if people actually want to try and discuss things and not just yell at each other.

THS posted:

I don’t think there is any way to setup a poll of active CSPAM posters that wouldn’t be abused, but anecdotally the active participants of the threads do not have an issue with the topic as it was being discussed, or at least do not consider banning it as being appropriate even if they disagree. If someone from the Trump thread or D&D or GBS can’t handle a discussion of China that doesn’t obsessively manufacture consent for the new cold war with China, they should probably not read the LF or China threads in CSPAM.

I really think the mods, including Flavius, have been so flippant and arbitrary on this issue to a degree that I do not really see value in having an “honest discussion” about this topic. I argued my points in the LF thread already. This is a private forum, though, and so all I can do is grovel - so I plead that you use your buttons less on this topic and generally.

Moderation in a forum like this should be reserved for distinctly toxic actors who manage to make the entire forum about them and have no interest in contributing to discussion. It isn’t for enforcing a line.

Lastly, you say you aren’t enforcing the “CIA line” - but anyone with an understanding of how ideology functions should know you don’t have to consciously do this when the mainstream coverage of China is as warped and pro-western as it is.

FREE ALL CSPAM POLITICAL PRISONERS

Hairy Marionette posted:

AnimeIsTrash, why do I have to justify my qualifications regarding my views on China, but you do not? This isn’t a troll or attack.

Hairy Marionette posted:

What is your point?

Kindest Forums User posted:

A good thought experiment is to think about the alternative, if China completely severed from the region. Xinjiang would become its own country and closed off from China with border controls. What would become of the Uyghur population? Would they be able to thrive as the rest of the world develops? Maybe? Would they even be able to retain their original identity and culture, considering the rising influence of radical Islamists in that area? I wonder what Xinjiang would like if the west didn't destabilize the middle east and radicalize a huge portion of muslims.....
In this scenario, where Xinjiag is its own country. what would happen to young people that would want to integrate into the world economy? Wouldn't they have to move to China or the West where no one speaks Uyghur? How would they maintain their culture if they wanted to escape rural poverty (especially as climate change puts immense pressures on the region).

Algund Eenboom posted:

Amerikkka is the most evil country in the world, and if you disagree dont post in this forum

swimsuit posted:

maybe if you arrange all of this information in a misspelling of the word "trump" they will understand, op

THS posted:

sorry, i assume some historical knowledge that i shouldnt probably. it would be an incredible reach to blame china for korea, and the civilian death count was attributable to US bombing over everything else. and regardless, the more recent iraq invasion, collapse, refugee crisis, interventions in yemen, libya, syria, etc- are far more relevant to who is way loving worse as far as killing, maiming, starving, and upending lives

cagliostr0 posted:

Is there a good reason to have a safe space for posting genocide denial after R.guyovich got deadmined for denying this particular genocide?

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

lol the Rguy "genocide denialism" is basically just poo poo that gradenko, brutalisst, ths, myself, etc have posted itt

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

if you go back to the beginning of the Eurasia thread its p much just homex and pener kropoopkin arguing with gbs racists and baloogan, it owns

Nix Panicus posted:

Homex was also weird about the DPRK

I think part of it was that Homex was engaging with some of the biggest shitheads on the forums who were constantly screaming about the billions murdered by communism, which put them on the defensive. CSPAM was certainly shittier in the past

Fallen Hamprince posted:

While reading R. Guyovich’s posts about Xinjiang, keep in mind that he also regularly holds ‘purges’ of D&D where he summarily bans dozens of D&D posters for “making bad posts” about politics, society, and current events.

Dolphin posted:

Again, as I stated, I'm not reading these articles. This is an exercise where I test a hypothesis that the response to any article or source will be met with the same strategy of attack the source, dismiss the data, allege conflict of interest.

It's the same thing chuds and blue checkmarks do when you say like "no, actually most undocumented immigrants pay taxes and are less violent than the general populace" and they go "heh, look at that source "

THS posted:

hopefully this is a honeypot and tomorrow we all get perma-banned. finally free

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

lmao now flavius is the genocide denial mod

Serf posted:

gotta be the covid thread. the spouse facts revealed there have been wild

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

that was the covid thread, which incidentally, last winter, was the most racist ive ever seen cspam since back when we had actual trump voters here

The Oldest Man posted:

I looked away from this thread for a day and came back to 500 posts and Zenz apologism what the gently caress

THS posted:

yeah i think Zenz is becoming less useful, the insane book he wrote is legitimately embarrassing. if they are smart they will find some “Eliot Higgins”, the type of guy you can do a nice NYT or Guardian profile of who isn’t of the belief that the End Times are upon us.

THS posted:

read posts on reddit (dont read reddit) and the uhh “discourse” on china is quite something

really queer Christmas posted:

This does not surprise me, based on the posters that left and stayed gone lol

Flavius Aetass posted:

I can't say I blame anyone for leaving at the time. There are a lot of posters I wish would come back.

Throatwarbler posted:

Hey guys as a former resident of the XUAR and one with close family ties to the region, I just want to point out that there are no restrictions on travel or tourism to any area in Xinjiang. All the arguments here about whether this or that mosque was demolished or whether this or that building is this or that seem very dumb to me because someone could just...walk over there and check it out? It's like people in China who have never read a thing about America having some drawn out debate over the American genocide in Baltimore, MD based on images from Google Earth, because Baltimore, MD is a black hole of information?

Also please visit Xinjiang, the economy especially in Uyghur areas is heavily dependent on tourism and there's a lot of food and culture to be enjoyed. Just off the top of my head, There are several museums in Turpan that have great exhibits documenting an ancient system of underground irrigation used by the Uyghurs that used to be common in central Asia but were deliberately destroyed by Genghis Khan in his crushing of the Kwarizm empire that it basically never recovered in most areas. For Europeans, Emirates and Qatar have daily flights to Urumuqi and Yinchuan from their hubs in Dubai and Doha.

Finding an English link to it is a bit hard but this description seems broadly in line with what I saw.

https://www.farwestchina.com/travel/turpan/uyghur-karez-wells/

Prince Myshkin posted:

The famous Soviet death camps of Auschwitz, which the Soviets also deviously liberated, perhaps as some elaborate form of Asiatic trickery.

THS posted:

i regret to inform everyone that i did give cspam too much credit. a lot of people here have not internalized a pure hatred for amerikkka and that’s why they continue to do a both sides thing. please continue with the whataboutism, it’s good and necessary

also trying to bring up ancient history or whatever is not just dumb but actually abhorrent. there is currently one state in the world which enforces its imperial hegemony at the point of a gun, and has recently murdered many millions, while displacing tens of millions more - all while upholding itself as a bastion of democracy, freedom, and liberty. it is truly sick and above and beyond worse than all second power competitors. there is no comparison, no one else is playing the same game, no one else is in the same ballpark

death to america

THS posted:

i dont think ive been called a tankie before in cspam lol hell yea

really queer Christmas posted: