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i used to laugh at the idea of "a liberal was mean to me so now i'm a racist", but flavius' behaviour has convinced me that the mods are in fact retarded pedophiles (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 17, 2021 02:53
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An argument for socialism from marginal theory of value and negative externalities Marginal theory of value: holds that the value of goods and services can only be determined by seeing what price they sell for on a market, as opposed to a labour theory of value which holds that goods and services have intrinsic value based on the socially necessary labour time to produce them. Negative externalities: a market failure whereby some of the cost of production or consumption is not borne by the market actors, but by some other part of society not involved in the market transaction. For example: pollution from burning fossil fuels, sound pollution causing discomfort, smoking causing secondary lung cancer, diseases becoming resistant to drugs after overuse in factory farms. The damages incurred by a negative externality are often judged based on market costs to fix the problem, but what about when the damage exists purely subjectively? For example, psychological damage. If a majority of members of society decided that the mere act of being "too wealthy" was psychologically damaging, and the value they placed on their psychological health was greater than the collective wealth of the world's billionaires, then there would be a case for compensating society with the wealth of the world's billionaires, and for taxing billionaires out of existence, in order to prevent further damage.
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May 23, 2021 21:27
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indigi posted:semi related but how to libertarians/ancaps square negative externalities with the NAP? seems impossible from a logic standpoint they usually say that private courts will decide on whether damages occur and what costs should be paid of course if one party insist on using a particular private court (owned by a friend from college) while the other party is choking to death from ongoing pollution, there might be a slight imbalance in power, but at least no one was coerced into paying taxes to have a government set up its own judicial system
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May 23, 2021 21:44
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it's a problem with libertarianism they've known about for decades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuYt6X2g0cY
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May 23, 2021 21:46
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Ferrinus posted:actually that is a misstatement/oversimplification of the labor theory of value. the idea that goods and services have an INTRINSIC value is commodity fetishism. in reality value is socially determined and validated, only truly making itself felt in the moment of exchange (before which it can only be guessed at by producers). this is why marx occasionally referred to value as "spectral" or other such words i was under the impression that the labour theory of value only applies to commodities which are sold. things produced which are not sold (eg mud pies) are not commodities and have no value
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May 23, 2021 23:35
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Ferrinus posted:a commodity is something made to be sold, but then someone could make a mud pie and claim they made it to be sold, and you'd have to delve into their mind to figure out that they are lying and the mud pie has no value quote:it has to have a use-value of some kind, which is what disqualified a mud pie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_cookie
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May 24, 2021 05:19
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Ferrinus posted:that's exactly why value and therefore commodity-hood can't depend on factors intrinsic to the object alone (how long it, specifically, took to make, what its maker was thinking as they made it, etc) but appear only when the object is brought to market and subject to the evaluation of the rest of society. and if the rest of society doesn't buy that object, then it wasn't a commodity it doesn't matter if that object looks identical to the 99 other objects that turned out of the same factory and were sold (and were therefore commodities).
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May 24, 2021 05:41
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Ferrinus posted:i guess you can define a commodity that way, but that's not how marx defines it. for marx, a commodity is something whose use-value A) exists but B) is alienated from its maker. some eggs you didn't eat and instead brought to market were commodities even though you dropped them. values, exchange values, and ultimately prices really do get generated by market forces for every egg, even if not every egg gets sold oh okay
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May 24, 2021 05:53
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why anarchism fails and we need a (weberian) state http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/80495/1/WRAP_0070378-hi-250716-kumin_bmh.pdf Gersau’s most serious political crisis was a citizenship dispute in the early seventeenth century. Having admitted the Küttels as burghers (Landleute) in 1528, their rising prosperity and influence caused the villagers to fall out over the question of whether to exclude the family one hundred years later. Over several decades, the communal assembly was paralyzed by the issue; at times, meetings came to blows. The Swiss allies, repeatedly called in to arbitrate, nearly despaired of the stubbornness of both parties. Proposed settlements remained unenforced and it was only escalating legal and diplomatic costs that forced Gersau to bury the hatchet and leave the Küttel’s status unchanged. Subsequent internal commentators deplored ‘the consequences of this disagreement upon our land, as we had to experience to our highest detriment and loss’ and expressed the firm desire ‘to prevent such division and discord affecting our dear fatherland in the future’. This episode highlights one of the drawbacks of extreme local autonomy. When communes got split right down the middle, there was no ‘neutral’ or superior authority to decide the matter one way or another, opening the door for outside intervention.
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May 26, 2021 12:33
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so is p a modded r, or vice versa?
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May 27, 2021 00:17
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Jul 19, 2021 20:14
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Ferrinus posted:this is why a lot of rhetoric about "neo-feudalism" is catchy but not correct. even if we go full-on worryfree cradle-to-grave corporate barracks you're still not a serf because nothing you use or make is under your control at any point i think it's still useful for highlighting that the owners of capital today can treat the law of the land as optional, just like feudal lords. they are treated with leniency due to the hero-worship they get, they can lobby to change laws to benefit themselves, they can buy caribbean islands to escape normie morality, and if worst comes to worst they can escape the law by living in exile, roman polanski style
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Jul 19, 2021 22:46
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Centrist Committee posted:that’s just capitalism tho sure but there have been periods where the distribution of wealth has been less extreme so the disparity in political power has also been less extreme
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Jul 19, 2021 23:21
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Centrist Committee posted:half of Capital is about how capitalists constant fought the Factory Acts to get younger, smaller, nimbler children to work terrible machines for more of the day what's your point
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Jul 20, 2021 01:14
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i am maddest at them saying proletariat revolutionaries instead of proletarian revolutionaries
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Jul 20, 2021 15:54
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/22/remarks-by-president-biden-after-marine-one-arrival-4/ Q Okay. And are there people who — in the Democratic Party, who want to defund the police? THE PRESIDENT: Are there people in the Republican Party who think we’re sucking the blood out of kids?
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Jul 23, 2021 14:35
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Larry Parrish posted:if they were down with eugenics they were not Marxists because it's an inherently anti-egalitarian practice that basically postulates that most people are worthless. kind of the extreme opposite of marxism it's entirely possible for a marxist to make a mistake or hold a view you find objectionable. eg stalin banned homosexual sex in 1934
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Jul 23, 2021 23:28
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Centrist Committee posted:enjoy the troll post! where's the lie
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Jul 24, 2021 00:45
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/818795001717850122/868292424601075722/video.mp4
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Jul 24, 2021 12:37
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Centrist Committee posted:Only labor produces value ...under commodity production, when marx was writing
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Jul 25, 2021 16:29
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indigi posted:they’d just finished a war against counterrevolutionaries including Brits and Americans. i wouldn't use the word "just" when it ended 14 years prior you wouldn't say that george bush "just" left office
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Aug 28, 2021 09:20
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indigi posted:afaik the sabotage started almost immediately after the civil war and kept up through the 30s. then the kulaks were a looming issue until the state got started liquidating their property and killing/exiling/gulaging people. it didn’t take 14 years for Stalin to get paranoid and fabricate the existence of a fifth column when they’d been dealing with it (or putting off dealing with it) the entire time okay make that argument but don't justify the purges on the basis of events 14 years prior
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Aug 28, 2021 10:31
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dead gay comedy forums posted:I think it is possible to see a clearer picture already. The main point of nuance that is missed from "what about the purges" is that by the time Stalin is directly on-hands about it, the systemic causes that justified action (corruption, sabotage, infiltration, careerism, opportunism) weren't fully addressed at the critical revolutionary period. By that time, the Party knew it had incorporated a lot of people it shouldn't have, that it pardoned reactionaries, former tsarist officers, grifters and all sorts of corrupt people that were actively hindering the Soviet state. Because of that failure, it had to usurp some of the same mechanisms of control in order to fight back for survival - and that allowed human shitbags to seize the opportunity to do so. A very "the weapon you have at hand" situation, unfortunately. yes, stalin had to let local party officials take on the role of judge, jury and executioner, because local party officials were corrupt and needed rooting out!
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Aug 28, 2021 20:36
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Ferrinus posted:the purge was a pincer movement by people at the top and people at the bottom against the middle layer of party officials, many of whom were corrupt and needed rooting out but some of which were able to deflect that action towards their own rivals, though less so as everyone got later into the game the entire system was corrupt which is why it stagnated and collapsed. soviet citizens in the 1980s were unwilling to stick their heads over the parapets and save socialism because they were the descendents of the ones who survived the purges by keeping their heads down
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Aug 28, 2021 21:16
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indigi posted:is this even kind of true? I’ve never heard it before no. i recommend richard j evans' "the coming of the third reich", he goes over the street battles between the different paramilitaries and how the judicial system was rigged in favour of the right-wing. as far as i remember the closest the communists and nazis came to collaborating was that they staged a strike in berlin at the same time to try to unseat the governing SPD. but evans gives numerous examples of how they fought each other, and how the KPD and SPD were closer ideologically and socially than others parties, like when the rot frontkampferbund provided bodyguards to the widow of a murdered SPD politician
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Aug 30, 2021 03:27
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V. Illych L. posted:a non-trivial amount of the working class was nazi. the KPD tried to mobilise nazi workers to be communist instead; also, zero-tolerance of nazis would've meant constant blood in the streets since these people often lived in the same neighbourhoods the working class were underrepresented in the nazi party. being in a city with a strong history of trade unions and left-wing organisation inoculated workers against fascism https://www.johndclare.net/Weimar6_Geary.htm
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Aug 30, 2021 03:29
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The Dialectician class gets Protection from False Consciousness at level 5. You could alternatively go Paladin and take Oath of the Revolutionist, although you will have to wait until level 9 since it's only a half-caster.
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Sep 4, 2021 09:06
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there was a proud boys livestream yesterday where someone opened up on them with a handgun and it was rad as gently caress
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Sep 5, 2021 22:35
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Toupee Groupie posted:sabotage the position I am in If you feel like activism would hurt you and your family then don't do it. Ideologies should serve people. If people are required to act self-destructively to advance an ideology, that ideology will be defeated because its adherents will burn out. Some Marxists obsess over abstract conceptions like "historical processes" or "resolving the principle contradiction of production". It's very hubristic to think one person's contributions over the course of a few years (before they burn out) will change the course of human history. If you are taking care of yourself and those around you without hurting others, you are doing the right thing. Toupee Groupie posted:The same feelings among some people in the group also seem to go to the idea that my wife and I "own" (as in have a mortgage) on a house, and that no one should own property, that I have given into capitalism and in the end am just part of petit bourgeoisie who is lucky enough to live within capitalist society comfortably, while giving lip service to Marxism because I "feel guilty" to since I have more than many people have. Everyone should be secure in their living arrangements. Working class people owning their own home will not defeat communism.
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Sep 6, 2021 04:32
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we should call capitalists moneygeists
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Sep 8, 2021 04:24
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dead gay comedy forums posted:some would even say he is the tankiest. the archtankie when he rolls into hungary he drives a kv-6 
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Sep 10, 2021 06:24
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Sep 11, 2021 13:22
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no mister bond, i expect you to vote communist
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Sep 15, 2021 19:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:considering mao still falls into the 50 year time span why would anyone pick deng because he liked cats
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Sep 22, 2021 15:15
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psychological warfare is a spook
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Sep 22, 2021 22:56
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evilpicard posted:Marxism is when you're not allowed to realize the value of your labour marxism is when you use gaming and crypto under universal basic income after marrying a billionaire  
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Oct 3, 2021 21:48
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