|
Asproigerosis posted:I wonder how many more years until sixers are legitimate and get to the big natty dance and crush my passive interest fairweather fan from philly heart like AI did by not practicing enough. Big question is whether Embiid's body holds out long enough to win a ring. Holding him out of a quarter of your games to try to stave off the inevitable pre-30 career ending injury is a bold strategy, but it also says a ton about what their doctors think of his overall long term prognosis.
|
#
¿
May 30, 2021 07:39
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 12, 2024 07:17 |
|
|
euphronius posted:Who would you say the top 5 point guards are ? In no particular order, Stockton, Magic, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas, Chris Paul. I'd put Jerry West, Gary Payton, and Steph Curry ahead of Russ definitely, and probably put him just behind a gaggle with guys like Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, or Jason Kidd in terms of greatness. If he ends up winning a championship or two by the end of his career he could probably leapfrog that gaggle and get top 10, but right now lol no.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 1, 2021 22:32
|
|
|
euphronius posted:lmao remember when I said Embiid only has to be healthy for like 20 more games Bud, I'm sorry, I didn't think it would happen that fast.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 2, 2021 20:40
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Could they get someone younger than 6000 years old to announce the games If they didn't personally coach George Milan, I just can't trust their opinion about the NBA. I demand experience!
|
|
#
¿
Jun 6, 2021 18:14
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2021/lineups/
|
|
#
¿
Jun 6, 2021 21:08
|
|
|
Telluric Whistler posted:I'm seeing a whole lot of posters in here that seem to believe stuff like "Jeff Foster is more valuable than Ben Wallace" is controversial... Feels like they don't understand STATISTICS and REGRESSION TO THE MEAN despite claiming to be number heads. Shame The thing that always struck me about Wiggins, and again, Wiggins apologist here, is that he doesn't seem to be someone who actually enjoys playing the game of basketball. My read is that he was put on the path he's on now at a very, very young age and all the way through being the #1 pick in the NBA draft and signing an NBA contract for millions, he was getting by on massive natural talent and being pushed to where he needed to be by parents and coaches who could effectively run his life like drill sergeants. Now that he's in the NBA, for the first time in his life, the choice is up to him how much extra time he puts in and so the fact that he really doesn't enjoy playing basketball means that he's not willing to be a gym rat like Zach Lavine. It legit wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't sign another NBA contract and is out of the league by 30, not because he couldn't get a contract or pulled a Sprewell and talked about feeing his kids, but just because he's got "gently caress you" money now and wants to spend his life doing things he actually enjoys.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 6, 2021 22:31
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:all things considered 39 points during an injury and leading philly from more than 20 points down to losing by 5 is downright heroic. makes me confident that they'll win the series if embiid can maintain form those last 5 words are doing some heavy lifting there mastershakeman posted:I think it's the win share per 48 metric that isolated rodman hilariously above everyone else
|
|
#
¿
Jun 6, 2021 23:15
|
|
|
oh yeah, in addition to being a wiggins apologist, i'm a ws/48 apologist. sorry you all had to find out this way
|
|
#
¿
Jun 6, 2021 23:16
|
|
|
can someone fill me in on the kawhi hate? like, i get that some people don't like that he's not emotional and is a private guy but in a league jampacked with rapists and domestic abusers, he's so far down the list of people to dislike i just don't understand it
|
|
#
¿
Jun 6, 2021 23:51
|
|
|
Reality Protester posted:kwahi won a title for the raptors and then left that loser city. i like him. yeah, the nearest that i can see is that the spurs wanted him to come back earlier than he thought was right from that ankle injury. even if the spurs medical staff was actually correct and he was really ready, i never got the impression from anything that he was sandbagging, that he really thought he needed more time, and that he wasn't gonna risk his future career for the spurs because the spurs docs said he was good. i get how that basically meant he had to leave san antonio but lol at trusting anything a team says over anything a player says, ever, even their doctors. aside from that, he seems to be doing the regular player thing of trying to play on good teams with players he likes, which really riles up some fans just glad to hear that he wasn't like convicted of scamming retirees out of their life savings or being an abuser or some poo poo. it's crazy how good the league is at scrubbing that poo poo out of wikipedia and google and whatnot
|
|
#
¿
Jun 7, 2021 00:15
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:ableism lol imagine watching him play and thinking he's soft
|
|
#
¿
Jun 7, 2021 00:32
|
|
|
Elephanthead posted:in his defense, Cleveland it boggles my mind that the cleveland fanbase can't be happy for him in the way that minnesota fans are happy KG went and won a championship in boston. like, that organization was a rolling tire fire when they drafted lebron, they proceeded to surround him with absolute mediocrity, he pulled them to the finals in a way that i've never personally seen any player pull a bad team to the vicinity of a championship, then left because it was clear that the tire fire was only gonna get hotter the longer he stayed. he left and won his championship, then loving came back and got the city the only championship they have ever gotten, then left again because he saw that it was no less of a tire fire than it was when he left years before and he wants to win more. this legit isn't meant to be a defense of lebron, i mean to point out just how lovely cleveland is and no wonder free agents don't sign there. holy poo poo that is just a garbage fanbase that doesn't loving buy heat and lakers jerseys and wear them to the games to remind the organization every game just how hosed up they are holy poo poo
|
|
#
¿
Jun 7, 2021 03:09
|
|
|
So, just to add some light statistical trolling to this, it looks like Curry's WS/48 was 16th best in the league this year, and that feels pretty accurate.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 8, 2021 18:29
|
|
|
Yossarian-22 posted:i'm super sussed out by win share stats because they consistently overrate high field goal percentages like deandre jordan, who used to be listed as a top 10-15 player in the league consistently It isn't without it's faults, just like any single statistic trying to compare players with disparate playing styles and games. And you're correct that that style is the part where I would point towards it overvaluing players, along with assists being slightly overvalued as well, and certain kinds of defense being slightly undervalued because it's hard to statify if it doesn't frequently result in blocks or steals. My read is that players like DeAndre end up getting a decent number of, for lack of a better term "uncontested" rebounds each game just because they're the person the team designates to grab them while the better offensive players run down court and get set up. That said, I'm not convinced that a player like DeAndre who did seem really good at getting contested rebounds isn't criminally undervalued, even if he's not a top 20 player. Same for PGs and assists though too. There's a decent number of assists where the player didn't actually do anything to help the shooter, but by virtue of the stat, they get a little bump to their value because of it. That all said, I've found WS/48 to be pretty decent overall, so long as limitations of any single stat are kept in mind. I do feel like Curry, in that example was playing MVP ball during their first title run, which is reflect in the stat, and is still a top 20 player, which is also reflected, but absolutely not an MVP anymore, which is again, also reflected.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 8, 2021 19:01
|
|
|
Yeah, I'm not saying I would bet Milwaukee, but if I were ever going to bet Milwaukee, this would be it. If they can't pull out a win here, that raises some serious questions for the team going forward.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 9, 2021 22:22
|
|
|
euphronius posted:I think Miami’s locker room was bad Look, you don't bring in the Jeff George of the modern NBA and then expect a good locker room. That's the price you pay.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 9, 2021 22:56
|
|
|
euphronius posted:He was not effective at all in the 4-0 wipeout by the suns so maybe you need to refine your beliefs about what effective center defense is. It feels like he's an average defender, not great but not a liability either. Like, he's not Gobert but he's not Karl Anthony Towns either, and it's weird as hell to act like he's down at that end. There's a huge middle area of average and not every player is on one extreme or the other. As for that series in particular, loving nobody on the Nuggets played well on either end of the floor, but putting the blame for that on Jokic is also weird as hell. They could have had Gobert gumming up the works instead and they might charitably have lost 1-4 instead of getting swept, given how everyone else played.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 15, 2021 20:45
|
|
|
indigi posted:sounds like Gobert would have been more valuable to the team 🤔 lol I don't think he should have gotten the MVP either, but acting like he's below the Mendoza Line just because he won it is a take so bad I'm amazed it didn't come from Bill Simmons first.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 15, 2021 21:47
|
|
|
BitcoinRockefeller posted:N00b question: when a defender gets a little poke on a shot that alters its trajectory does that count as a block? My understanding is that if it alters the shot enough to be noticeable, yeah they'll call it a block but it's a judgment call by the scorers.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 16, 2021 03:33
|
|
|
Legit question: has anyone ever signed a 10 day contract and then started a playoff game? Asking for several teams
|
|
#
¿
Jun 16, 2021 16:12
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Reopened as I have decided I am no longer a fan of anything in the world. I was tempted to do some trolling, but instead I'll just earnestly ask how you're doing instead.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 17, 2021 16:24
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Move the timberwolves to Philly. At least I could believe with that franchise. As a Timberwolves fan, you don't want this. Trust me.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 17, 2021 17:14
|
|
|
No one's saying anything official but he was apparently vaccinated. Exactly what this means in terms of the league covid protocol is completely up in the air. I've seen speculation that he might be back in time for the next series, but I don't think anyone outside the league and team knows anything at this point, and they're not talking.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 17, 2021 17:44
|
|
|
yeah blame for the sixers losing is pretty much Simmons <=> Doc > anyone not named Embiid or Curry not being able to hit shots for big stretches > refs the idea that the refs were decisive in that is mythmaking from a team playing like absolute dogshit and not because their opponent is a top defensive team at a minimum, all they had to do was have the hometown announcer introduce Gnouy Eart for the Hawks. there's no way he'd be able to get a flight back from Oklahoma in time, even with his private jet waiting i know it's bad sportsmanship but this is the playoffs, you take whatever advantage you can get
|
|
#
¿
Jun 21, 2021 19:09
|
|
|
refs matter to gamblers because they can and do affect the point spread, and you'll note that I didn't say the refs had no impact that the refs were decisive here is only possible because philly poo poo the bed in such a spectacular fashion that this series is gonna end up being remembered for being one of the worst playoff performances by a 1 seed ever
|
|
#
¿
Jun 21, 2021 19:24
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:man it must rule that the Sixere are unbeatable without the refs this whole thread is fascinating because we're all engaging directly with the id of a philly homer
|
|
#
¿
Jun 21, 2021 19:53
|
|
|
euphronius posted:please. superego c'mon
|
|
#
¿
Jun 21, 2021 20:05
|
|
|
Think Less posted:Pretty sure I'm arguing with that cartoon Ben franklin philly uses little known fact: euphronius was in the stands the day they ran off santa claus im not saying he was personally a part of it but im not not saying it either
|
|
#
¿
Jun 21, 2021 20:16
|
|
|
Booyah- posted:i can't believe trae is so in the heads of sixers fans that they now believe in actual conspiracy theories trae will be the face of the league because they want a star that anyone can relate to, someone just as ugly on the outside as fans are on the inside and the outside
|
|
#
¿
Jun 21, 2021 21:35
|
|
|
LastInLine posted:This is some good content. Nowhere else am I going to get to read someone in all earnestness post that the NBA and the mafia are conspiring to have Philadelphia, one of the largest media markets in the country and most iconic teams in the league, fall in the playoffs to Atlanta, a team that you couldn't convince me the NBA knows even exists. IT'S THE KINGS/LAKERS GAME 6 ALL OVER AGAIN LMAO yes but have you considered the raw marketability of trae young, a man who definitely does not look like the star of a 90s sports movie where a guy from the local intramural league finds a cursed talisman that gives him incredible basketball powers
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2021 14:16
|
|
|
Wait wait, I think I get this. There's a rogue element within the league office that wants Trae to be the face of the league, led by the refs, who are fully in the bag for Trae. The rest of the league office is powerless to reign in this powerful cabal and so we are destined to watch a talentless hack win titles and become the face of the league. I think this means that Tim Donaghy will be commissioner within 6 month, a year tops.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2021 17:41
|
|
|
ahahahahaha
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2021 17:45
|
|
|
i envision this thread like we're all running through an empty arena comic book style yelling about basketball while the sound system blasts out euphronius posts at 120 decibels, every screen a lip synced ben franklin dribbling a basketball
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2021 17:52
|
|
|
its honest to god fascinating to watch his ego reflexively protect itself in real time
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2021 19:13
|
|
|
Vox Nihili posted:Paul George is supposed to be a 40%+ 3-point shooter but it feels like he hits maaaaybe 20% in the playoffs. Thought the same thing, so I looked it up and he does underperform in the playoffs. He's a career .384 3pt shooter in the regular season and shot .411 this season. He's a career .356 3pt shooter in the playoffs and has shot .306 in round 1, .417 in round 2, and is shooting .348 this series. His last series mark is the first time he has shot above .400 in the playoffs since the 2017 Eastern Conference Finals where his Pacers were swept by Lebron's Cavs. He played in 5 playoff series between then and last series. At no point in those 5 series did he shoot better than his current career percentage either.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 23, 2021 14:20
|
|
|
vyelkin posted:the man makes $40m a year and basketball insiders report he has no work ethic or desire to improve, why would anyone trade for him he's one of the better defenders in the league and can defend 1 to 5. he doesn't need to really improve to be worth his contract, he just needs to play at his regular season level this year and not what he did in the playoffs get him to a team where he's the 3rd or 4th offensive option and there's no reason to think he can't at least be get back to being a productive player on a winning team, even if he's never gonna be an all NBA player
|
|
#
¿
Jun 23, 2021 21:57
|
|
|
ref pulled out a laser pointer hit Jrue square in the face, dazed him right out.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 24, 2021 05:12
|
|
|
euphronius posted:Morey met with Rich Paul in chicago to discuss Simmons future. No trade demand was made. Simmons willing to work with sixers this summer directly. Sixers at this time moving forward with Simmons. Demanding a trade would be absolutely hilarious. Trades are only being talked about because of his awful performance in the playoffs, not because the rest of the team underperformed around him. Seems like the team is saying the right things, keeping open that they might bring him back to keep his value up, and hedging against not receiving an offer they think is good enough.
|
|
#
¿
Jun 24, 2021 19:11
|
|
|
Wasn't that about a team with Simmons running the point?
|
|
#
¿
Jun 24, 2021 19:17
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 12, 2024 07:17 |
|
|
lol should have relayed his trade demands apparently
|
|
#
¿
Jun 24, 2021 21:34
|
|
