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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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TheFluff posted:

ryzen cpu's have a firmware tpm though, and i believe many intel cpu's may have that too, although you probably have to enable it in bios (platform trust technology or something like that)

lol that THIS is the first thing I run into that actually holds back the machine I built to play skyrim shortly after its release. Other than upgrading the graphics card for Doom it's otherwise done everything I asked of it for a literal decade. :patriot:

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 25, 2021

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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repiv posted:

Changing it back to the left was an option in the leaked build

Small taskbar icons, though, are not, nor is showing text in the taskbar items. MS hasn't definitively said, as far as I know, that they won't be included, but they aren't right now.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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64bit_Dophins posted:

gently caress

Yeah I mean imo the perfect UX was Windows 98.

It has been downhill from there ever since.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Rusty posted:


...

Other weird things, I love how each new window release adds a new looks to windows, but that means we also have windows left over from the previous windows that for some reason they didn't change, so we have dialogues from several different windows versions.

...

Even in 10 there's random windows that don't support the dark theme. It's incomprehensible to me because it means they went out of their east to use non standard window decorations.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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I'm installing windows 11 on my main desktop, which has an i7 3770 from 2012. No secure boot, no TPM, and CPU is unsupported. Every practical neuron in my brain is screaming at me that this is dumb and I'm ignoring them because doing stupid poo poo is fun and this is less stupid than the time I worked on my house's wiring while drunk.

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone knows what the actual purpose is of registry entries that let you bypass requirements? Like, is it intended to serve some legitimate purpose for end users, is it a remnant from the development process that got overlooked, or what?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Everything worked smoothly, except OpenShell apparently doesn't support Win11 yet, so my start button didn't work. People have mentioned alternatives but I'm gonna give the new start menu time to either grow on me or, uh, the opposite of that.

Everything feels snappier, and it unfucked whatever was keeping any MS Store apps from working. Would recommend.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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FuturePastNow posted:

I think the 8" floppies with the launch programs were finally replaced a couple years ago

I pray to whoever will listen that anyone who thinks military admin staff workstations and missile control systems should be running the same hardware and OS are kept far, far from anything important, government or otherwise.

It got me thinking, though. Some of the intelligence community uses linux. I wonder how bad Microsoft would have to gently caress up to get the rest of the government to follow suit, or if they'd trundle along with Windows 14: Voice Control Only Edition no matter how lovely things get.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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WattsvilleBlues posted:

This beautiful utility basically fixes the dumb stuff in Windows 11 and also adds a few nice features. I couldn't go back to not using it.

Same. I like how it lets you mix and match the different eras/versions. I'm using the start menu that's basically the one from 7, just styled like 11.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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I read that Win11 includes support for GUI apps for windows subsystem for linux. Got it up and running with minimal fuss (it gave me trouble pre upgrade) and opened up a text editor window to test the GUI part, and it worked great, without having to manually configure window management or whatever. Then I tried to resize the window and it errored. :v:

Just for yucks I used apt to install all of xfce4 and ran "startxfce4." It...almost worked. (click for big)

I'm not necessarily asking for help, this is mostly a trip report for anyone else who's curious.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Icept posted:

Extremely gross but also kind of cool.

Yeah that was basically my conclusion. VirtualBox has a "seamless mode" where you can have the taskbar of the virtualized environment added to the host desktop, and have windows open for both. I know you could do something similar on Win10 wsl through a, uh, somewhat more involved process that required a couple external installations. If Win11 gets to the point where you can do the same with just two commands that'd be a hell of a thing.

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 12, 2021

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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i vomit kittens posted:

fwiw, I manually installed on my incompatible CPU (a 7700k) and have had zero issues so far. some people were worried about not being able to receive updates via windows update but i've gotten those as well

Same. MS said that if you override the check you're not entitled to updates, and some people interpreted that as "you won't get updates, period." It seems what it actually meant was "we're not going to guarantee updates won't stop at some point, intentionally or otherwise."

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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DerekSmartymans posted:

.... Windows is not Skyrim and shouldn’t need a mod community to dress it up.

Man, imagine if it were. Suddenly your explorer window starts rotating. Your desktop icons occasionally fall off and form a pile at the bottom edge of your screen. All the menu items face hit boxes sliiiiightly off from where you'd think they'd be.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Less Fat Luke posted:

I don't understand this new UI right-click menu in Windows Explorer - like none of the options I want are in there, I have to click "Show More Options" almost every time. Also I used to be able to activate the menu options with the keyboard shortcuts (w for new, then f for folder) but the new pre-menu doesn't have those lol.

The thing that irritates me about the context menu (besides the second delay) is that the horizontally arranged items move from the top to the bottom depending on where on the screen you right clicked. It appears to be trying to put them closer to your cursor, but that's less helpful than just having it consistent.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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No! The only way to seal the curse away is to post "thanks guys, I found it" and then abandon your account.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Perplx posted:

If they actually did HCI testing and published white papers documenting how the changes were measurably better I'd begrudgingly accept it, but they don't.

Is there any company anywhere ever that publicly publishes all data that goes into minor UI changes?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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barnold posted:

I added a section about StartAllBack to the post under the OP for easy reference. Hopefully it doesn't seem to shill-y as it's pretty fuckin' good software and easily worth the $5 (speaking as someone who used SIB religiously long before Win11). If there are any other real important Win11 tidbits you folks think are useful in there, let me know. So far feels like not much other than the TPM stuff

The difference between shilling and recommendation, imo, is whether the product deserves it. I think for SAB that's a pretty clear yes.

Honestly, I kinda wish MS would just pay the guy off and bundle it with Windows. If they're not going to unfuck the start menu and taskbar on their own that'd be the next best thing.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Fame Douglas posted:

No, snipping tool is still present. Maybe try reinstalling it from the Store.

I break out in hives when I see this instruction on a guide or whatever. Even though installing Win11 fixed my store issues, just knowing that it's possible for the store and everything it installed to break in a way that no amount of reinstalling the store or app will fix has made me feel less safe, in the same way as finding out about prion diseases or those worms that eat human eyeballs.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Unsinkabear posted:

I am honestly pretty amazed by how well my in-place upgrade is running compared to the version of 10 it replaced.

Same. It's wild how well it runs versus how dumb some of the UI is.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Klyith posted:

...
As I mentioned, windows does a lot of caching in memory to avoid disk reads, dating back from the spinning rust era when loading from disk was terrible. If you have a PC with lots of ram, don't reboot or hibernate frequently, and use mostly the same subset of programs, you won't see much disk use when launching an app. It's already there.

As I recall, when this feature was new there were legions of people all over the internet asking how to turn it off. They saw it using RAM in the task manager, and just couldn't comprehend that this isn't a bad thing. Eventually, Windows just started reporting that memory as free.

It was basically the Vista version of "how do I disable swap."

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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CaptainSarcastic posted:

Yeah, although I'm more OS agnostic about it. At the top level all my desktops look about the same except for the wallpaper - I use blue themes for Windows and green themes for Linux. Otherwise they look just about the same.

I have my Linux machines set up to look like Windows 9x, complete with startup sound.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

The decision in Windows 11 to treat the Start menu and taskbar as some sort of sacred object that users can't really customize is among the more bizarre choices they made for 11. I don't understand it at all, but the answer is probably profits and

They claim it's not some carefully considered design decision so much as it's more complicated to implement than it seems, and they rewrote the taskbar from scratch for Windows 11. Telemetry showed that few people moved the bar (those people are just very vocal) so it was basically dead last on the priority list.

My suspicion is that this explanation is largely accurate, except a lot of the work is due to Microsoft's dumb internal processes.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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One of my reasons for upgrading to Win11 was that UWP was completely broken, and my graphics card config tool (for forcing anti aliasing in old games and such) had become UWP courtesy an update. Also I got multiple errors every single restart that resisted all efforts at resolution. I figured if an in-place upgrade made things worse I could just clean install.

The upgrade fixed all my issues. At this point, this Windows install has operated continuously since late 2011, with additional drives containing detritus from an install another five or six years before that. I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I didn't have four Program Files folders.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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If it was ever true, I'd honestly blame software developers before Microsoft. I've seen some heinous poo poo. The old PC game Black and White used it for saves. Not, like, the path where the saves are stored; the actual save data was in the registry.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Pvt. Parts posted:

Eh, the icons are fine and you can figure out what they mean the 2nd time you open the program. Much less cluttered visually. And the startup icon is a gauge, kind of like a throttle, as it's the computer coming "up to speed" and getting ready to perform. The first listing on that page is even the last BIOS time. Makes good sense to me.

Startup tasks are also one of the things that can slow down startup, so that tab is of interest to people wondering why their machine starts slowly. "I really want to make things faster, oh hay a speedometer icon."

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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mobby_6kl posted:

You're really going to defend an analog gauge for "startup apps" as intuitive when when another tab is literally called Performance? I know you can get used to anything eventually of course. Anyway it's gone now so I don't have to worry about it any more :) https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

And the solution to the taskbar location and as it turned out, a lot of other annoying issues, turned out to be called Explorer Patcher.

I'm not defending, I'm speculating on the reasoning. It's such a trivial issue it didn't occur to me to poo poo my pants over the change.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Smack the drive around to show it who's boss.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Got the update that ads tabs to file explorer today. It's p cool, though I wish there was an option to hide the close tab button on each tab, since middle click works the same way it does in every browser on earth, including middle clicking folders to open them in another tab.

You can't drag tabs off the window to open them as separate windows, nor drag tabs between windows.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Cross-Section posted:

Hooo boy getting some 30-second-long freezes after installing KB5018496

Wonder if the UI changes aren’t playing too well with StartAllBack

Is it the file explorer doing this or specific applications?

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Pvt. Parts posted:

You can even skip the adblocker tbh. Modern ads on modern sites (the kind you would want to visit anyway) are not that obtrusive.

what the gently caress

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Echophonic posted:

Is StartAllBack still the pick for "get the drat taskbar off the bottom of the screen" app? I'm one of those degenerates that likes it on the right side and I'm about to build a new PC and slap Win11 on it.

I can't speak for any alleged hiveminds, but I still use and like it.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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hooah posted:

I don't know what you did, but I don't have that. What version of Windows? I haven't received the 22h2 update yet.

I've received the update and also have no idea what he's talking about

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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I knew a guy in college whose laptop had a lock screen with an anime schoolgirl succubus. When you logged in, a chipmunk-like voice said something in Japanese that I was told translated to "welcome back, master." I heard it was seen in that state by IT at least once.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Combat Pretzel posted:

Considering there's plenty of tools like True-/VeraCrypt and such, why people don't hide their porn collections (of whatever nature) out of principle in an encrypted container, I don't understand. VHDX and Bitlocker is even built into Windows and it's dynamically expanding. Back when I still responded to support requests from friends and acquaintances, exactly no one did anything like that. And yeah, at some point I had to squint at things, since it often involved going with a wire brush over the disk contents while maintaining "important" data. (Hell, these containers even improve portability of data by a lot, since it seems so important.)

I can't speak for anyone else, but my porn lives in a subfolder in my user folder titled "porn" because I'm not a teenager anymore scared mom will find the stash. I don't use repair services, but if I did anyone who went snooping would get stricken blind like they deserve.

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Nov 27, 2022

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Kalman posted:

There isn’t. They’ve said that it’ll probably come so I’d expect it in 2026 or so.

I get the feeling the Windows team is such a shambling mess they literally can't write software from scratch anymore. Every time they do a clean sheet redo the result is terrible, and improvements come extremely slowly.

It reminds me of that comment from an MS employee regarding that font install dialog from Windows 3.1 that stuck around until like Win7. He said that basically any change takes about a hundred man-hours of red tape to get it through the approval process. So devs tie themselves in knots to avoid fixing things that aren't their personal priority one, since they'd have to hold its hand through the entire nightmare approval process. If you tie yourself to something that won't help you advance, it becomes a digital albatross.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Tiny Timbs posted:

I just don’t really understand why you’d go through the trouble of rewriting the UI stuff from scratch only for it to remain a painstaking process to add basic features to

I doubt technical difficulty is the main issue.

~Coxy posted:

What's the heart behind a set of venetian blinds?

I think it's supposed to be an interlaced image loading in?? Not sure what that has to do with terminals, assuming Dick Trauma is right

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jan 7, 2023

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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mobby_6kl posted:

Of course they did. This is still not fixed:

but it runs ok even on a Celeron potato. Still, you can thankfully run the Win95 Paint without problems: https://archive.org/details/MSPaintWin95

Old versions of paint were basically unusable for jpegs. It would set the compression so high that every pic became a blurry mess.

Oh my god, new paint has ribbon style menus but there's no tabs and it won't collapse. How is Microsloth this bad at consistency.

But yeah, just use paint.net

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

StartAllBack

Long free trial to see if you like it. Works well for me. Shame about microsoft not including such basic features any more.

Currently the trial never actually runs out because the dev is Russian and doesn't have a way to accept payment.

Anyway I've found that there's a perceptible pause before the context menu opens but I've found no way to fix it. It's consistent, so you'll eventually get used to it. Every win 11 machine I've used had that pause but that doesn't really mean anything because that's like three distinct computers.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Canine Blues Arooo posted:

More then anything in the land of software, I want WinUI to go the gently caress away and for WPF to just be the defacto, supported way you build apps in WIndows.

I got my wish once with the death of UWP. I'm asking for another miracle.

Surprise: WinForms!

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Kin posted:

Looks like after all my overthinking, you're right.

Got the rig built today and while it's detecting the physical drives in the bios, it isn't detecting a bootable device :/

UEFI is mentioned all over the bios (including the logo), so maybe my windows 10 config wasn't set up with that enabled?

Anyway, I'll get a copy of windows 11 and stick it on the NVMe drive.

Out of sheer laziness (and not wanting to play around with the old parts), but what would happen if I just left the SSD with windows 10 still hooked up?

Would windows 11 just see it as a drive full of files, or not see the drive at all (I think from what you said, it would be accessible).

It shows up as a disk full of files. That's literally what it is. You may also see weird partitions that the Windows install on the drive wouldn't have exposed, but they won't hurt anything.

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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

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Kibner posted:

Nope, I got one from the SA guy like a month ago and it works with no issue.

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