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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Drone_Fragger posted:

Anti vaxxers are a form of domestic terrorism which is promoted by Russian and Chinese troll farms to weaken the west and its available manpower in the event of a war.

You're telling me I have to be pro anti-vaxxers now? Dang :(

Bobby Deluxe posted:

E: forgot to mention earlier - walked to big sainsburys and found the sticker wielding opinion havers have been out and about with their spiciest takes:



Worth remembering, there've been reports that these White Rose clowns are not above the "razorblade behind the sticker" bit so if you feel inclined to rip them down be careful.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jakabite posted:

My bad I guess, I see her on the best selling lists and assume it’s another shocking crime novel a la Dan Brown, like the non military equivalent of Tom Clancy. If I’m wrong then apologies. Just seems like there are better books out there

I've only read Wolf Hall but it was very good

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tony Blair looks less comfortable smiling than someone with very bad teeth.

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Jun 13, 2012

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knox_harrington posted:

Funny thing about this is people seem to give more FlaK to the Swiss for trading with the Nazis in WW2 than the Germans for actually being the Nazis. Not defending the swiss bankers ofc.

Bankers are monumentally unlikeable

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Red Oktober posted:

Torygraph is all out for Johnson tomorrow.



lol what shite is that? The top rate of income tax is 45%, "In 1974 the cut was partly reversed and the top rate on earned income was raised to 83%...This applied to incomes over £20,000" That's over £213k in todays money.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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namesake posted:

Poor Socialist Appeal, when your whole gimmick is being boring Trotskyists who commit to working within Labour and then Labour kicks you out what do you do?

Start up another ineffective Trot entryist faction of course

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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It's British liberal press, of course it's overflowing with TERF apologia. The only mystery is how this article got past the editors originally

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

The Hospitaliers still had the swords, but they didn't go in for quite as much mysticism as the Templars and also had the sense not to start looting Christian cities on the way home from the Crusades, meaning they never got shut down and just sort of hung out in the Med for centuries until someone finally twigged a natural harbour with massive fortifications more or less slap-bang in the middle of the Mediterranean was actually a pretty useful thing and just walked in and took it.

The Knights aren't the most interesting thing about Malta though - the most interesting thing about Malta is that elephants and camels managed to make it across to there in the Messinian Salinity Crisis, when the Med partially or wholly evaporated (which is also interesting because the area would have been an utter hellscape and crossing it on foot would have been almost as difficult as crossing it by swimming) and then when the waters rose again, the mechanism known as island dwarfism - where animals confined to a small island evolve to be smaller to more efficiently use limited resources - meant that by the time the first humans got there by boat (and built the temples on Malta that are way, way older than Skara Brae) the place was inhabited by camels and elephants about the size of large dogs or small ponies, which must have been absolutely adorable, except my great*-uncles slaughtered them all for food within a generation or two.

I want to reiterate this - we could have had pet elephants small enough to live in our homes (although maybe not sit on our laps, they weighed about 300 kilos), but we wiped them all out, and frankly anything nature does to humanity from this point on is richly deserved.

That's similar to the last population of mammoths, they were on Wrangel Island,north of Russia and lasted there until about 2000BC. And their extinction coincides with the first evidence of humans on the island

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Brendan Rodgers posted:

9/11 was too much for Marvel supervillains apparently, they regularly try to destroy the universe or whatever but these towers brought them to tears. This is from when Spiderman sees 9/11 happen:



This is genuinely the best comic book page ever, as a perfect summary for how hard America was broken mentally. Dr Doom weeping. gently caress off. Can't believe that was written by the Babylon 5 guy

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Mostly I remember 12th September '01 coz a bunch of us had the day off school to go to a Uni open day at Glasgow Caley. None of us were going there, it was just a day away from school & in the big city. Anyway, get to Inverness train station for the first train of the day, before 7, one of my friends exclaims he's a bit worried a plane will crash into our train. The image of terrorists hijacking a plane & deciding to fly it into a train in the empty moorlands of the Highlands has always stuck with me as much as anything else from that particularly bizarre period.

11th September 1973 - The US backed coup against the democratically elected government of Chile occurs. This ends up with thousands executed, tens of thousands tortured, 80,000 interred and some of the most horrendous inequality in Latin America. Of course the Chilean regime was very popular with Thatcher.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Sep 11, 2021

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Rabelais D posted:

Rule Britannia sucks obviously but the sailor's hornpipe is very cool.

If that's not a euphemism it should be

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Ian Murray losing his seat is about the only thing I'd care about in Westminster politics at this point. Will hoot and holler so darn loud when this happens, and probably get a ban from Twitter for sending him abuse

Also LOL if this was the result. After 14 years of Tory mismanagement, of shelves running empty, and Labour wouldn't even be the largest party if they won every seat in Scotland. Majestic

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 13, 2021

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Guavanaut posted:

Sounds gay, I'm in.

This rules

StarkingBarfish posted:

Manchester is great. It is definitely cheaper than Dublin by a long shot.



That QC continues to have an extremely normal one:

https://twitter.com/JeffSamuels16/status/1437494527305072643
If he's not bald then why wear a wig? Checkmate lib

Failed Imagineer posted:

Lol dude have you checked COL/rent in Dublin lately. OP is probably making the right move, even though anti-Irish racism will probably drive him out within a few years

Profiteering from essential services like housing should be a capital offence. It's like Death Grips yelled, "It goes, it goes, it goes, it goes Guillotine"

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Just Another Lurker posted:

Only the DUP and their followers believed in that bridge/tunnel/Stargate to Scotland.

I believe in the bridge from Kintyre being the only way there will be investment on west coast roads like the Rest and Be Thankful so they aren't closed for tens of days a year

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Surprise T Rex posted:

Always confused me a bit when people make jokes about 1-hour contracts when the idea of banning zero-hour ones is floated. Like, yes, a one-hour contract is significantly better than a zero hour one because at least you can count on a specific number of hours worth of wages on a week to week basis, and knowing you have a one-hour contract frees you up to find other work whereas a zero-hour contract is entirely based around "You better be available when we need you, and also we might not need you at all" leaving you in some kind of wage limbo never knowing if you'll get enough money to pay rent and eat, but simultaneously not being able to pick up other part time work to fill the gap.

Just seems a bit disingenuous really.

That said, I don't expect Kier to put out anything resembling a progressive policy so as others have said this will be full of asterisks and means-testing or something, assuming he even gets anywhere near power before his career is over anyway.

The gag is that 1 hour contracts will just be exactly like zero hour contracts but instead of a minimum of 0 hours it'll be a minimum of 1 hour a week, which isn't actually any difference.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

work is a moral atrocity

Agreed OP

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Red Oktober posted:

Right? Why wouldn't you wish the general population of NK the very best and send your "good wishes for the future"?


You didn't know? Crispix is big fan of Juche, and rightly so. Can't be long now until the DPRK has been around longer than the USSR was, that's what I call self-reliance.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Even ignoring her personal politics which are obviously loving garbage, having the "lead" on women & equalities doing the job as second fiddle to Foreign Secretary says a whole gently caress of a lot.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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serious gaylord posted:

What the gently caress is the pounds and ounces thing for? Even my grandma in her 80's uses kg.

Culture war bay bay, but only over the most stupid and meaningless poo poo.

Next up? Bring back Farenheit

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Tesseraction posted:

No no NO it's Seinfeld that sucks arse for the first few seasons then gets better.

Fortunately the start of Seinfeld was so loving pish that I doubt I'll ever bother seeing if this is true or not

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I'm a big dumb moron who can't even use Excel in more than the most basic functionality and is absolutely pitiful at anything more maths than basic arithmetic and the few moments of geometry and algebra that haven't leaked from my brain in the 18 years since I left school and even I have absolutely no problem with conceptualising negative numbers.

I tried watching that imaginary number video someone posted and got loving nothing from it though. I recognise it's clearly useful in some context but fortunately not a context I have to worry about. The way he matter of factly goes "but it does cross the X axis if you add an extra dimension" just left me slack jawed. And what if you add 8 more? Can you just do that, keep adding dimensions until you get an answer you want? Or is that 1 extra a limit?

Fortunately I won't ever need to know

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

Or the friend of one of these people who has failed upward. Our IT manager at university had no idea what Active directory was, and constantly proposed things directly to SMG that made no sense and weren't even theoretically possible, and then leaving us to get in trouble for 'failing' when "Sarah promised us it would be fairly straightforward."

She was promoted to IT because she had been there so long without doing anything disastrously wrong they wanted to bump her to senior management, but IT was the only department without SMG representation.
A Sarah Michelle Gellar in every department? Seems extravagant to me, typical public sector bloat

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I wish reading Freedland left me that sedate tbh

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I'm honestly surprised that was the direction she went with her final column. Thought she'd go for a transphobic screed like so often.

Ah well, excited to see her turn up in The Spectator or Telegraph screaming about having been cancelled, just like Suzanne Moore.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Not sure which is worse, how stupid Johnson thinks the average British voter is, or how often he's proved right

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1439722180430999552?s=19

It's the latter.

Seems like a good time to diversify power generation even more. Somehow turn the Home Counties into nothing but windfarms and hydro plants. Turn London into an island.

Obviously don't worn the residents of Hertfordshire before you flood it

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Miftan posted:

CW: Rosie Duffield isn't *just* transphobe, she's also a biphobe!

https://twitter.com/Seunte/status/1439872238145228800

loving hell Duffield is a piece of work. Stupid, vicious bigot.

Nothingtoseehere posted:

unironically, moaning about the cruise industry is meaningless when we still burn fossil fuels for most of our electricity, heating, and transport.

No it's not. It's really loving not. Being mad about one doesn't preclude you from being mad about the other. We honestly can't really afford to just be mad at one horrendously polluting thing at this point. Cruise ships generate 4 times the CO² per passenger of planes & I'm already massively in favour of cutting down air travel pretty dramatically (last time I flew was 1998, never flown as an adult).

I like the abstract idea of cruise ship. A floating hotel where you can wake up in a different city every day? It's a cool idea. But they are unjustifiable.

Yeah, personal consumption has limits because the big polluters are corporations but that isn a free pass to be loving wasteful.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Nothingtoseehere posted:

Singling out indervidual acts of consumption as wasteful or not wasteful is pointless and simplifies the issue into "good" actions and "bad" actions, when the vast majority of carbon emissions are not under our control. Only when governments force our economic system away from burning fossil fuels is meaningful change possible.

Nobody in this thread is arguing that individual acts are going to be enough. Doesn't mean it's pointless because it has a knock-on effect. Governments are captured by capital & capital has no motivation to change things without "rational self-interest", which apparently doesn't include climate conditions changing drastically without activist & consumer pressure.

We've been talking about climate change as a scientifically accepted theory for most of if not my entire life, & it's been a serious concern going back more than 2 decades before that, with people like Glenn Seaborg & Edward Teller. LBJ spoke about CO2 having a green house effect in 1965. What has been done in that timeframe? Not a gently caress of a lot, because ultimately capital isn't interested in anything but the bottom line, & fossil fuel profits still go up. And politicians don't want to risk a cushy directorship, post-parliamentary career (or during it in the case of Nadhim Zahawi, who was a Chief Strategy Officer for Gulf Keystone until he got a ministerial job) with oil firms or think tanks funded by oil firms. Putting your faith in loving Boris Johnson & Sir Kieth Starmer to make a difference is a bigger folly than expecting individual consumption to magically solve the climate crisis.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Genuine laugh out loud from me. loving nora. What an absolutely perfect LibDem policy.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Miftan posted:

loving nazis man. Just the absolutely dumbest loving people on the planet. When has adding a swastika to anything ever granted it more credibility after 1945, and this is if (and that's a big loving if) you can look past the antivax idiocy.

This is not an open call to explain to me how the swastika was coopted by the nazis tia

I'm pretty sure they are trying to claim the NHS are the Nazis, for making us get the evil fake COVID vaccine

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Comrade Fakename posted:

I don't drive, so really don't have much interest in it, but I am a bit interested in green technology stuff, and I've got to say it's pretty bizarre how on SA and left Twitter Teslas are the worst cars ever made and incredibly unsafe and constantly explode, while literally everywhere else I look they're widely considered to be good cars that people like.

Because most people don't really look at anything in depth. I thought Tesla's seemed good & fine until I looked into it & found my eyebrow rising so high it fell off my face. Tesla's a cross section of a whole lot of things. Look at that market capitalisation, it's $733bn, which makes it the 7th largest company in the world by value of its stock. The only companies bigger, in ascending order, are Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Saudi Aramco, Google & Apple. More than that, it's a larger value than the combined values of the next 6 largest car manufacturers, more than Toyota, Volkswagen, Daimler & 2 Chinese companies I've never heard of combined. This despite the fact that Tesla sold about 510,000 cars worldwide in 2020 compared to Toyota's 9,530,000 in the same time period. Volkswagen group sold 9.3m in the same period. Despite that, Tesla is worth almost twice the value of those 2 behemoths combined.

So despite being the 7th most valuable company in the world & not actually selling very many cars, it must at least be massively profitable. Right? Wrong. Tesla's net income was in the negatives every year until 2020, which we'll come to in a moment. And when I say in the negatives, in the last decade we're talking about losses in the hundreds of millions for 7 out of 10 years. The exceptions were 2020 ($720m profit), 2013 ($74m loss) & 2017 ($1.96bn loss). And lets talk about 2020. They sold more cars then ever, up from 365,000 in 2019 to 510,000. Proportionately a very big rise. So was that because of the big increase in car sales? Probably not. Tesla invested a huge amount in Bitcoin ($1.5bn), making it the 2nd largest corporate investor in the cryptocurrency. Within a month the value of Bitcoin rose from $44k to over $50k, meaning that in that month Tesla made more from crypto than they did in an entire year from selling cars. (I checked & apparently as of just now it's at $44k again so lol) And it hardly needs to be stated what a mockery of any environmental cred that being involved in something as horrifically wasteful as crypto is. And none of this is going into the questionable value & environmental impact of electric cars in the first place. Because that rarely gets mentioned, even as Elon is happily tweeting about supporting coups to get cheap access to lithium.

How the gently caress do you look at this & not go "this seems funky"? This is a company that, at this point, is in too-big-to-fail territory, despite the fact it barely makes anything relative to its competitors. Some how it's a dot com stock that sells cars & it's loving insane.

Now you can just put that down to the general irrationality of the market & to capitalism being loving stupid, but this is obviously just the financials. Plenty people pay far more attention to the safety poo poo than me but you can just look at the Tesla Wikipedia page to see a whole host of examples of hosed up environmental regulation violations, workers rights violations, more lawsuits than you can shake a stick at, and plenty of critiques of everything from such left Twitter personalities & SA users as the SEC, hedge fund managers, a legal professor from the University of Southern California, Bloomberg News & What Car? magazine.

Part of it is obviously because Elon Musk is a magnet, and as much as he attracts his fanboys he also attracts haters, because he's a spectacularly stupid self-important libertarian dipshit mostly who thinks the rules shouldn't apply to him. But just because he's an easy character to dislike doesn't mean the criticism isn't valid, just means there's more desire to find the dirt that's there.

serious gaylord posted:

They have the build quality and QC of Dacia while charging a Mercedes Premium.

This seems unfair to Dacia.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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therattle posted:

I smell a short sale opportunity.

Obviously Tesla dying is absolutely the funniest option, but gently caress, at this point it's like Bitcoin or the housing market. You know there's a bubble & you know it'll burst at some point but nobody seems to want to admit that because then it will burst & lots of people will lose everything. Or a whole lot anyway. So it just seems like the stock will keep going up & at some point it's collapse would destroy so many pensions that it just wouldn't be acceptable. Hell, we're probably already there.

Failed Imagineer posted:

"The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain liquid"

Exactly this. Market ain't rational, betting money you can't afford to lose that it will become so soon is not smart. Just stick a quid on a 7 team accumulator each week if you want to gamble with preposterous odds.

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Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/hughlaurie/status/1440008634583355400?s=20

Exquisite.

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Jun 13, 2012

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

I thought everyone here left the labour party anyway?

You don't need to be a member to think this is deeply cynical and dumb

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I dunno, if I was a rich person and I was going to waste money on an over-priced car I'd just buy a Porsche 911 to at least fulfil a childhood fantasy.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Failed Imagineer posted:

I mean they cost way more, Tesla's are for kinda rich people to pretend they're really flash

I dunno, Model S is £73k, a Carrera is "just" £12k more.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Look on the brightside, at least I get to be smugly right for my prediction that Kieth would use his position to ensure the left can't win a leadership election again and anyone who fell for his thing was very naïve indeed.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

What is so stupid about it?

Because Stephen Abell is a man who has worked in the media for a decade & wrote a book called "How Britain Really Works" & transparently doesn't understand how Britain works.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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radmonger posted:

That would be those who spent their time as an MP cultivating links with the kind of company that needs a full time ex-politician on retainer to handle scandals. Which is kind of the problem.

MPs used to be entirely amateur, leading to a Parliament mostly made up of rich people’s stupider relatives. After the relevant reforms, it’s more or less now a working-class job; do it or get sacked. But the people doing it mostly consider themselves to be middle class, so don’t accept that. Something has to give.


I don't understand what you mean when you say "Working-Class". Because it's loving not. Not remotely.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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radmonger posted:

Ok, that is a another quote on the same topic. But that one is contrasting ‘modern progressive leftism’ with ‘old fashioned leftism’. Which really is different from ‘right wing good, left wing bad’.

Notably, he did endorse voting for Corbyn as PM twice, so presumably Corbyn wasn’t old-fashioned enough to be an example of a thing he didn’t want to win.

Careful, you're reaching so hard you're liable to tear a muscle

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Jun 13, 2012

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Wait, so is my flymo safe to use or no?

Depends if you're using it to strim the hedge of your lawn or to trim your pubic hair OP.

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