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Platystemon posted:I’m embedding the tweet because the analogy is good, but the main thing here is to click through and be horrified at the state of UK guidance. I've got to say that the conversation about masks does seem completely different in the US compared to here in the UK. Outside of medical environments there is zero conversation about mask quality, nor anyone really talking about it masking as an issue generally. It's still a recommendation for close inside events, but in practice I only really see it in shops and public transport. It doesn't it seems quite as hotly contested issue as in the US, but that might be just because the fringe anti-maskers are slightly smaller proportion and not quite as vocal.
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Theres been posts about Israel having compelling data showing that protection against severe disease drops a compelling amount after 6 months, but I cant find it anywhere. Does anyone have a link to this data?
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Sep 18, 2021 07:45
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I guess the argument is that for every booster given to someone under the age of 60 in the US, it's one vaccine that other countries who still have vulnerable people who haven't had any at all. And, I haven't got the sums on it, but the UK's vaccine authority hasn't recommended any vaccines for children under 12 as the potential saving effect from the vaccine is almost equal to the very very rate of serious effects, so you'd imagine that as the third booster has a much more limited benefit, the line where the risk equals the benefits is going to be higher than 12 (but obviously lot lower than 60). Glad to know the only data so far is an increase of severe disease for over 60s, that was all I could see as well and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some my dystopian data somewhere.
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Sep 18, 2021 13:22
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freebooter posted:I don't know about Canada but I'm pretty sure the British government did this purely to try to get the first dose numbers up as high as possible as fast as possible so they could reopen sooner, and the fact that a longer dose interval turned out to be more efficacious was sheer luck.
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Oct 27, 2021 00:15
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Mainland Europe is just following the UK's trajectory, but with a 3 month delay.
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Nov 14, 2021 15:40
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No quite sterilisation, but wouldn't a 3rd booster be enough if highly vaccinated now, to get near that magical Herd immunity threshold? https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1460313047529103365
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Nov 16, 2021 09:23
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enki42 posted:Iceland is 77% vaccinated according to https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html Operative word being may, as it may not be enough even then, but it's a possibility that boosting will be enough to start to kill the case numbers.
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Nov 16, 2021 19:09
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mod sassinator posted:Are you reading incorrect data or perhaps have a faulty view of what's happening? Here's the average case rate in the UK for the last few months: The cases has been started to fall until a few days ago when they picked up again from the return to school, and the old data was been reported in the BBC with a delay, which may be where the misaprehension that they were falling now comes from. So, I think the context here is that the level of cases are similar now to last November, except last November we were in a lockdown with nothing open and work from home ordered, and this November pretty much everything is open as it was in 2019. Some people mask up for a bit in shops, but that's pretty much the only place I ever seen them, and even mass events are open. The progression is despite this, the caseload is no higher than when we were in lockdown, because of the vaccines. Now, digging into the data deeper, the peeks in the recent case are pretty much timed with term-time at schools, because the biggest increase comes from school kids at the moment who haven't been administered the vaccine. There's also some suggestion that the erosion of protection against symptoms decreasing over time from the 2nd dose is pretty much keeping pace with the effect of people who are infected getting temporary immunity through it, which is why the numbers seem to be pretty stable since full opening in June. So, the vaccine at the moment isn't good enough to drop cases completely in an environment where everything is currently open... however, the 3rd dose is increasing the effeciency above even where it was under the 2nd dose, so there is a potential that once that has gone through the age groups, then the limits will be high enough to start to decrease the cases.
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Nov 16, 2021 22:04
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Vasukhani posted:
We'll get better date about severity and ability to evade vaccines soon enough. Take it seriously, but don't panic until we know a little more about it.
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Nov 26, 2021 10:53
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freebooter posted:Surely what South Africa has is a high rate of people with HIV/AIDS, which is the exact opposite? I think the real problem that no-one is discussing here is that it's not so much an impending doom for the Western world of people who are on their third booster or boosting their 5 years old, but for the undeveloped world who haven't had their 1st shot a much more transmissable virus is going to decimate them like Mexico/Brazil.
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Dec 10, 2021 09:36
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Some food for thought. https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1469733674426023936 Potential burn out of Omicron in SA. https://twitter.com/AlastairGrant4/status/1469783292522156040 We don't have enough figures still to really understand severity claims. Anyway, I got a text invite from my GP surgery from a booster yesterday, which is odd as I'm not eligible here in the UK. (33, no high risk conditions). I can't call them to check, and my mate who was high risk and got his done a few months ago said someone who went there got turned away for not being eligible even though they got an invite, so will need to call them on Monday and see whether this was a mistake or not. Either way, 2 PFizer + Infection seems to be as good as 3 MRNA jabs for protection this coming wave, so if I can't and have to wait til February it isn't the end of the world, and if it is genunine then it's a Christmas bonus.
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Dec 12, 2021 11:07
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Someone in the UK has died from Omicron. Now, that doesn't really effect the severity assumptions yet as we don't know really what their condition is and of how many infections, but I guess we can stop saying, 'No-one has died from Omicron'.
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Dec 13, 2021 13:43
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1471193909007106050 Big interesting chain here on latest UK data.
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Dec 15, 2021 21:23
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I don't know where it has or not, because the UK Trajectory over the last 3 days has been nothing like it's been the last few weeks.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:47
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Or because that after the first two waves, immunity from previous infection and vaccinations and dampening the likliness of severe disease. I think we're still a few weeks from having data to be sure either way on severity, tbh.
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Dec 17, 2021 11:53
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Yeah, you can make a fair argument that there is a delay between deaths and infection, but unless there is no a bigger delay between deaths and infections than there was before, those graphs are defintely not indentical any more. Not saying that this couldn't change in the future, or that there could be fault data, or all number of thing that might come out because it's early. It also isn't evidence that the infection is now causing less serious infections, as it could equally just be that higher amounts of immunity from vaccines and past infections is dampening the effect on serious illness.
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Dec 17, 2021 12:33
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386-SX 25Mhz VGA posted:If Omicron has greater vaccine evasion or reinfection risk, couldn't a higher number of mild cases caused by symptomatic vaccinated/previously infected people seeking testing (who with Delta might not have been infected or developed symptoms) push down the case-hospitalization rate despite the individual risk of severe disease staying the same (or even increasing)? There was a good tweet James Ward about the fact that if you suddenly see a massive increase in case numbers, hospitalisation percentage will always go down, because you've suddenly got loads of people who arent at the stage where you know they will either be hospitalised or not proportionatley. Something to watch once case numbers have levelled and after the delay. Weasling Weasel fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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Dec 18, 2021 09:23
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Be interesting if that can still be possible with Omicrons infectiousness though.
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Dec 18, 2021 11:08
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Yeah, after I was infected in July and then after my second jab in August, I felt very comfortable doing daily activities like Cinema, football, gym even with a baseline covid infection rate. Less so now that Omicron has skyrocketed cases though.
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Dec 18, 2021 16:27
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Yes, but the UK study today draws the conclusions from the sata that its probably about 10-30% less likely to cause severe disease than Delta, even after accounting for higher vaccination status/previous infections.
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Dec 22, 2021 23:36
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I mean it's a case of seperating of it being a worse outcome for society as a whole (Maybe... the maybe being that cases seems to now be levelling and dropping potentially now, and hospitalisations are still far lower than last year from a UK perspective, so it could entirely be a case that the reduction in severity after vaccinations included is a much bigger benefit than the higher case load) and a better outcome from you personally (ie. it is better for you to catch Omicron than it is for you to catch Delta).
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Dec 24, 2021 15:42
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The big UK Cases peak for Delta in 2020 started on the 12th December from around 19k cases, to 29th December peaking at 81k cases per day. The hospitalisations start to see rapid growth from Christmas day - around 2000 to 4000 by the 4th Jan, which at the point the Healthcare system was starting to really reach breaking point. The big UK cases peak for Omicron started in 2021 started on the 11th December from 46k per day to now where we're around 120k per day. Based on that, we're around the time that hospitilisations will start to grow rapidly based on the delay. They're current at 1000, up from 750ish in October, but they were also at around 1000 during August despite vaccinations being completed by that point as a whole. At the moment, there hasn't been any significant growth to hospitlisations above the baseline we were currently suffering from Delta yet, but I guess it'll be obvious within the next week whether that holds true or not. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
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https://twitter.com/JamesWard73/status/1475947093550317575 TLDR: Seems like even counting for vaccinations, Omicron is causing less hospitilisations per case than Delta. People requiring ventiliation has hardly changed from the numbers pre-Omicron. Unrelated, but the UK seems to have run out of all types of tests however, which is less good news.
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Dec 29, 2021 12:13
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https://twitter.com/miamalan/status/1476535918781734912 Interesting stuff on Omicron, in terms of a demonstration of its reduction in severity compared to Delta/Alpha, other than in under 20s where they doesn't seem to be a reduction in severity at all (though, this will be at a much lower base than the rest of the populatoin at large)
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Dec 30, 2021 15:15
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The statistic used seems really weird: "The proportion of hospitalised individuals aged <20 years who had severe disease was 22.5% (69/306), 23.0% (37/161) and 20.4% (172/844) in the three waves. " - Acute respiratory distress - Oxygen supplementation - Ventilation - Intensive care unit admission - Death
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Dec 30, 2021 16:16
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Karl Barks posted:I think it's because people realize harsh lockdown measures happening in the US are totally unrealistic, especially at this point, and cope in other ways than righteous fantasies
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Dec 30, 2021 16:19
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speng31b posted:All of UK isn't looking so bad yet but hospitalizations in London aren't looking great by the numbers. The hospitalizations in NY/NJ are a bit steeper but I don't think I'd look at what's happening in London and see it as great news quite yet. There are two arguments you can make about this, or have been in the news. Firstly, the rate of discharge is effected by Christmas, so the numbers might be distorted, but that does mean we don't really know what the actual situation is, bad or good. Secondly, while Hospitilisations have started to move around the 3rd December where the curve starts, both mechanical ventilation beds and deaths are so much flatter comparatively. I know people will make an argument about delays, but we talking about a month now since the hospital figures started to curve. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsRegion%26areaName=London#card-patients_in_mechanical_ventilation_beds
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Dec 31, 2021 10:27
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Uk Omicron case wave may have peaked. 17% fall on the 7 day average. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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Jan 11, 2022 17:51
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1 This is a pre-print, but it does say exactly that. Rate of hospitilisation is about 48% compared to Delta, ventilation and death is about 26% and 9% of risk compared to Delta. I know, before anyone says, that Death is not the only thing to worry about, but this pretty much follows everything else we thought we knew about Omicron until now.
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Jan 12, 2022 09:48
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Well, in the UK, cases seems to have peaked and are turning down, though too early to say what the baseline they'll drop to, and also hospitilisations for people suffering primarily from covid have even started to drop in London and places infect first, so it's not entirely unreasonable that the US peak is a few more weeks away.
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Jan 14, 2022 11:18
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Uk cases finally dropped underneath 100,000 today. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=overview%26areaName=United%20Kingdom#card-cases_by_specimen_date It is very much looking like it's following the South Africa pattern now, with deaths still not really having increased massively. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths#card-daily_deaths_with_covid-19_on_the_death_certificate_by_date_of_death
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Jan 14, 2022 18:53
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UK cases continue to fall, now at a 40% decrease on the 7 day average from the previous week. Hopsitals numbers have stabilised, and maybe even started to decline (first reduction on the 7 day average has appeared on the dashboard) and deaths are continue to follow following the normal delay. With the Omicron variant at least, it appears the UK is now coming through it.
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Jan 17, 2022 19:22
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I don't understand what a clade is. Are these forms that are already circulating, because if so they'll already be included in the falling case figures.
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Jan 17, 2022 19:37
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Ok, so the point is that it's had a lot of evolutions and off-shoots, but if none have evolved to be particularly more transmittable or deadly, is that an issue? At this rate the cases will have fallen off completed before the end of January, and yes a more deadly or transmittable variant can absolutely happen again for sure, but it's not currently and the impact is that cases are dropping rapidly now, much like they did in South Africa, and without a massive increase in deaths that was expected with a wave this big due to the power of the vaccines and boosters.
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Jan 17, 2022 19:48
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UK cases continue to drop as rapidly as they rose in December. Down almost 50% in 7 days now. Taken about 6 weeks to get through to pre-Omicron levels from start to finish.
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Jan 18, 2022 17:38
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Boosters are helping in the UK as well, particuarly with the higher risk groups targeting. The growth has slow down though, so will be interesting to see where it levels out to. And no, saying that Omicron is milder than Delta isn't causing American's to die in record numbers, I think you'll find it's the disease and vaccine misinformation which is doing that.
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Jan 20, 2022 10:23
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Does mean getting your pet forcefully euthanised though.
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Jan 22, 2022 00:32
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It's hard to tell what's going on due to an uneven testing policies, but UK case levels are now back to pre-omicron levels without any NPI's in place. (Positivity is 11% vs the sub 10% it sat at pre-Omicron). The omicron wave cause a fraction of the deaths during that period that it had during previous variant waves https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths#card-weekly_deaths_with_covid-19_on_the_death_certificate_by_date_registered
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Based on the ONS survey, which is probably the only measurable level of it now in the UK, we're down at pre omicron levels now.
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