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Feb 26, 2011

I'm here to watch fresh crack pings.

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Feb 26, 2011


That's the stuff

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Feb 26, 2011

Was this posted already?
https://gizmodo.com/lake-powell-is-losing-so-much-water-it-may-not-be-able-1847730709

lol lmao etc

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Feb 26, 2011

Slavvy posted:

It's unbelievably really weird how so many folks are intent on arguing that the world will be worse in the future. Like, if that's your take on humanity then I guess you might as well start investing in coal.

You'd probably still make money on that investment for a while tbh

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Feb 26, 2011


It's so perfect. The exact physical embodiment of America's effort.

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Feb 26, 2011

https://twitter.com/BecauseMiami/status/1456631921677672448?t=rkOOpsXvVwrOTyZVh1Q56w&s=19

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Feb 26, 2011


whole lotta red

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Feb 26, 2011

The glacier needs to wait for me to finalize my climate cope plan before it dies, we had an agreement!

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Feb 26, 2011

Seems pretty bad. Oh well.

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Feb 26, 2011

Empty Champlain Towers garage offers rare window into impact of sea rise underground

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As sea levels rose from climate change, a new study found, flooding in the underground garage at the beachside Champlain Towers South became more common. Much more common.

In the FIU study, Randall Parkinson, a professor of hydrogeology, compared the elevation of the garage floor with sea levels from monitoring stations in Miami Beach. He found water levels were higher than the garage floor about 244 times a year between 1994 and 2006. From 2007 to 2020, that number nearly tripled to 636 times a year.
That means that in the most recent decade, sea level was above the Champlain garage floor nearly every day at both high tide events. Add in groundwater, freshwater that floats on top of saltwater that has pushed in along the coast, and the potential for flooding virtually doubles.

“It’s pretty mind-boggling,” Parkinson said.


Threat from below: Sea rise is pushing up groundwater — and flood risks for South Florida

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As global warming swells sea levels, groundwater rises too. But unlike the climate change-driven threats from tides, rain and storm surge, groundwater has been an often ignored and little understood enemy.

That’s quickly changing. Scientists say there is now enough data to show that rising groundwater levels will add to flood risks for South Florida — particularly in low-lying areas or coastal areas that already see repeated problems during heavy rains, like Little River and North Miami.

And new studies, like one charting sharp increases in sea rise at the site of Champlain Towers South, point to potential concerns beyond flooding. The Florida International University analysis found the number of times per year sea level rose higher than the underground garage floor of the doomed Surfside condo has nearly tripled over the last 30 years.
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Current predictions show Miami-Dade could see around two feet of sea level rise by 2060. And research done by FIU scientists in North Miami, one of the areas where groundwater levels are already high, shows that groundwater is rising at the same rate as the sea. The study projects that sections of North Miami could go from experiencing about three months of rain-driven flooding a year now to six months a year by 2060. And that was considered a conservative estimate.
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“It rains and there’s nowhere for the water to go,” said Katie Hagemann, the deputy chief resilience officer for the county. “In a handful of pockets, we are at that point where the groundwater is just so close we have to think of something else to address those flooding challenges. Either raise the homes and then the roads or in some sort of concert there.”

In those pockets, high groundwater doesn’t just mean more flooding. It can also cause septic tanks to back up and spew waste in yards and homes because they have no place to drain.

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Feb 26, 2011

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

[url=”https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/09/ukraine-climate-scientist-russia-invasion-fossil-fuels"]‘This is a fossil fuel war’: Ukraine’s top climate scientist speaks out[/url]

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“It’s a crude oversimplification to call this a fossil fuel war, that’s a little too glib,” said Jonathan Elkind, an expert in energy policy at Columbia University and a former energy adviser to Barack Obama’s administration.

Of course some Obama admin is a complete loving moron. For all this talk from both parties about "energy independence" they don't seem to care about it!

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Feb 26, 2011

If you had to deal with the collapse would you rather do pnw or great lakes region?

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Feb 26, 2011

I'm in South Florida so not being underwater is going to be a plus.

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Feb 26, 2011

https://twitter.com/Jackson_Dill/status/1526263400673824771?t=N68XuoPSnbw7Wm31kyX3uA&s=19

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Feb 26, 2011

Remembered my city is being reclaimed by the ocean so I decided to check this thread again. Nice to see this thread is staying consistent.

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Feb 26, 2011

The tao sounds tight maybe I'll check it out I will not be doing any learning of any kind

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Feb 26, 2011

Most of us are probably already on some sort of list at this point and going by how many lists mass shooters are on and still so murder it's probably not a problem

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Feb 26, 2011

This storm that came through South Florida is a cool little preview of about a foot or so of sea level rise

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Feb 26, 2011


The ordinance was kicked down for now but this local news clip has some additional info
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApG-sGcyLk4

The commissioner who pushed it forward is a noted Bad Guy who once flipped out on student activists asking about climate change by telling them they shouldn't worry because they're all going to die from nuclear war most likely anyways.

While on my little soapbox, the county also delayed a vote to once again push back the urban development boundary which is supposed to demarcate where construction stops to help the Everglades so that they could build some warehouses. A rich commercial landowner guy went to a county meeting and actually said it was a horrible idea and that seemed to sway some comissioners away from voting yes. BUT the vote was only delayed not fully shut down so they're just waiting for the heat to die down before more than likely passing it.
One fun aspect of this is that the groups wanting to move the boundary to build warehouses said that actually it would be better for the environment if they were there versus the farms currently there because they won't any pesiticide and fertilizer run off from the warehouses. They also contend that this time the warehouses will be built with sustainability in mind, ignoring that this is basically right at the door of the Everglades which happens to be a major source of drinking water for South Florida.

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Feb 26, 2011

Funky See Funky Do posted:

A nuclear war indirectly or maybe even directly caused by climate change.

Yes but he was saying it as a handwave-y thing a la "The Green Dream or whatever"

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Feb 26, 2011

Is not having kids considered Malthusian ITT still? Ezra Klein put out an op-ed titled "Don’t Let the Environment Stop You From Having Kids" and wanted to see others thoughts on it but if it's gonna be a bad de-rail nevermind. Alternatively we can dunk on Ezra being dumb which is good.

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Feb 26, 2011

Pryor on Fire posted:

Ezra Klein's argument is that things aren't as bad as they were 70 years ago, so you should be happy and hopeful. He also has that magical neoliberal brain thinking where he says that the suffering will be all around us, but he is of course, somehow, immune. He also points out that the climate scientists who are rich and famous enough for him to interview all have kids, so it's fine.

This is pretty typical of all of his columns: just manufacture a happy store out of something. It's more funny to me that he unintentionally reveals himself and his rich buddies as completely outside of the problem in their special place.

You're still an absolutely insufferable oval office if you whine at people for having kids and tell them they shouldn't have, stop doing that poo poo.

I got a similar read as well. He somehow still assumes we will manufacture and consume our way out of it

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Feb 26, 2011

https://twitter.com/MiamiHerald/status/1538528463400972290?t=faJOgLuvb9KUebriFeL77w&s=19
https://twitter.com/MiamiHerald/status/1538528808814403585?t=vUjwYsjL6BH9LhiAzlRkfw&s=19

Starting to think this place isn't gonna make it!

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Feb 26, 2011

Coworkers watching that lake Mead video on YouTube and starting to understand the gravity of the situation now. Lol lmao etc

Very cool that a random dudes YouTube video is doing more than years of mainstream media and research to show people how hosed we are.

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Feb 26, 2011

This could have gone in any number of threads but this one is as good as any.
https://twitter.com/JohnMoralesTV/status/1540329026950254595

I'm sure the oil companies are definitely not going to start taking more drastic measures if legislation starts getting mean to them.

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Feb 26, 2011


Donzinger is a good point.

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Feb 26, 2011

Tekne posted:

grotesque old white people are waging war on people's ability to live, to have autonomy of their own bodies, and even having a survivable planet to inhabit

same as it ever was

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Feb 26, 2011

It doesn't help that's for sure :lmao:

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Feb 26, 2011

Maybe the thread title should be changed to Biosphere Collapsed

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Feb 26, 2011

I found this tweet because of a basketball guy saying that you could trade away a 2029 pick because it won't matter anymore anyways by then lol
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1542734799814774789?t=tMEsGLe6gzkcjOdYo02jtQ&s=19

Knock on effect doubters absolutely owned

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Feb 26, 2011

It's hot outside.

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Feb 26, 2011

Planet hot

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Feb 26, 2011

Is this new PFAS cleaning solution actually legit or just more wishing as usual?

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Feb 26, 2011

I hear they're gonna fix the climate this week in New York? Sweet!

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Feb 26, 2011

I would simply not read a book.

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Feb 26, 2011

Marco Rubio, Rick Scott urge NOAA to drop proposed right whale protection rule

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There are around 70 calving female North Atlantic right whales believed to be alive.

Organized pushback against federal efforts to reduce North Atlantic right whale deaths continues to grow in South Atlantic states as shipping and charter fishing interests try to stall or stop the implementation of new speed restrictions for vessels of 35 feet or larger.

As the days wound down on NOAA Fisheries’ public comment period, U.S. Sens. Marco Rubio and Rick Scott teamed up with fellow Republican Senators from the Carolinas to oppose the new rule.

Their main beef with the rule is it alters “the long-standing and effective navigation safety ‘deviation clause’ contained in the current regulations.’ With regard to port safety and commercial viability, the rule was originally amended in 2008 to provide a navigation safety deviation clause that would allow large commercial ships to safely navigate within the confines of the narrow offshore Federal Navigation Channels (FNC) along the U.S. east coast.”

That also came up in a recent meeting of the Port of Fernandina’s Ocean Highway and Port Authority, which ultimately decided not to take a position on the new vessel strike reduction rule. However, the Florida Ports Council did in a recent tweet.

“FL seaports have been tireless advocates and stewards protecting the environment and marine life, but the proposed amendments present significant life and safety risks for all commercial, recreational, and military mariners who rely upon FL seaports,” the Council tweeted.

Charter fishing captains have already expressed that the rule — 10 knots within the calving area from Nov. 15 to April 15 for vessels longer than 35 feet — will make part of their business impossible to conduct in a fashion similar to how it is today. Speed restriction rules were already in effect for vessels longer than 65 feet.

“Angler spending on impacted offshore recreational fishing trips is estimated at more than $15 million per year,” according to the Senators’ letter. “These trips are likely to be cancelled or significantly shortened if vessels used are subject to a 10 knot speed restriction.

“In addition, according to data from NOAA Fisheries, approximately 5.1 million recreational fishing trips were taken in this region by vessels 35-65 feet in length since 2008 thus the chance of a 35-65 foot recreational vessel striking a (North Atlantic right whale) during an offshore fishing trip is less than one in 1,000,000.”

The last recreational vessel strike occurred in February 2021, when the About Time, a 54-foot recreational vessel, slammed into a right whale calf at 20 knots, half a mile off St. Augustine Inlet.

There are so few right whales, and they reproduce so rarely, that each human-caused death is another step toward extinction. Scientists believe every North Atlantic right whale death over the past 50 years is human-caused, as the whales are not dying naturally and they have no real predators.

There are around 70 calving female North Atlantic right whales believed to be alive. In all, scientists believe there are around 340 total North Atlantic right whales remaining.

The only place these whales calve is off the coasts of Florida and Georgia, then the calves nurse on the long trip back up the East Coast to waters off New England and the Canadian Maritimes.

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Feb 26, 2011

There's a fire at a waste to energy plant in Miami but after the train derailment it feels like amateur hour. Weak cloud! :sad:

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Feb 26, 2011

There's gotta be like 5 at any given time around the country

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