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Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

I love the climate.

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Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Basic Poster posted:

Whole pnw is +2C preindustrial

how can you tell the historic temperature? I did a quick scan of the site but didn’t see anything

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Xaris posted:

to start and let people add-on:

Arctic Death Spiral: https://www.scientistswarning.org/2021/06/15/arctic-death-spiral/
Last thick sea ice breaking: https://www.severe-weather.eu/cryosphere/thick-sea-ice-arctic-breaks-stratospheric-warmings-rrc/
Bumblebees gone already from a lot of america: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/american-bumblebee-has-vanished-from-eight-us-states-180978817/
75% of insects are dead: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/25/the-insect-apocalypse-our-world-will-grind-to-a-halt-without-them https://www.pnas.org/content/118/2/e2023989118
we're dumping radioactive fracking fluid into rivers and roads for funsies: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/oil-gas-fracking-radioactive-investigation-937389/
meat is over 2/3rds of all ag emissions: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study
"clean" energy is a lot of lol https://scarp.ubc.ca/sites/scarp.ubc.ca/files/energies-14-04508%20%283%29.pdf
the planet is dying faster than we thought: https://www.livescience.com/ghastly-future-global-crises.html

plastics are strangling the life out of the oceans and plants and killing off humans. and we aren't going to stop: https://www.euronews.com/green/2021/10/01/babies-are-full-of-microplastics-new-research-shows https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/47521/20210920/european-lakes-alarming-concentrations-microplastic-pollution-previously-thought.htm https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/news/growth-of-microscopic-marine-animals-hindered-by-microplastics-352098 https://www.pnas.org/content/118/31/e2104610118 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/02/microplastic-pollution-devastating-soil-species-study-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/22/microplastic-pollution-in-oceans-vastly-underestimated-study

methane lol

sizeble portion of the west coast burnt down and massive parts of australia burnt down recently:

lol we're gunna run out of water where all the food is grown:


lmao, lol

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Unless posted:



it’s totally rude to submit “lol, lmao” constantly in the q&a



presenter totally just namedropped bright green lies

yo you got a link to the ppt or video?

e: saw your response. I’m eager to check out the link when you get it

Ornery and Hornery has issued a correction as of 15:14 on Oct 20, 2021

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020


broke: gun victim thoughts and prayers
woke: climate change victim thoughts and prayers

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

market problems require market solutions

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

God Hole posted:

Neil Brenner, Peter Marcuse, Margit Mayer
Cities for People, Not for Profit

wtf

communism!!!

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Charlatan Eschaton posted:

Garden Cities of To-Morrow - Ebenezer Howard 1902

Vertical Farm Diversification - D. Howard Doane 1950

The Heart of our Cities - Victor Gruen 1964

Human Identity in the Urban Environment - Bell and Tyrwhitt 1972

Centers for the Urban Environment - Victor Gruen 1973


Gruen ended up mostly being known for designing shopping malls but had a good understanding of how to make buildings and public spaces that people feel comfortable in, the need for cities to accommodate a growing population, and the costs of our growth on the earth. Here's the text of the first chapter of "Centers for the Urban Environment."


another good reading list, thanks

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Hubbert posted:

edit: i hate when effort posts lost to snipes



Here's my list:

1. The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America - significant emphasis on how just how "systemic" the problem was, focus is on local land law and the biases of elected officials and their public servants. fantastic footnotes

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2. Rationality and Power: Democracy in Practice - this one is good if you want to see the real politics—and real "rationality"—of policy-making, administration, and planning in a case study (the City of Aalborg)

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3. The Zoning Game - great behind-the-counter analysis of decision making on zoning and land development, especially as it relates to case law

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BONUS: The Art of Classic Planning - this one isn't really related to government, but this is a high end book that I very much desperately want to read (its like $100+ RIP me)

this thread has been killing it

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

is there a super straightforward, baby level data dashboard?

like I just want to see stuff like live line graphs of GHG emissions and expected temperature rise by 2050.

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

how is plastic so evil and further research keeps finding other ways that plastic is evil.

at some point you’d think there might be one good thing from infecting everything with plastic.

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Mayor Dave posted:

one of the coolest things about amoc collapsing is permanent hypercane season

https://twitter.com/JohnMoralesNBC6/status/1485643971103756288

just look at that curve

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

blatman posted:

i wish i was alive at a time where i could buy a house

get out of here with your pie in the sky dreams

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020


yay

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

“Look, there is no federal solution," Biden said Monday, according to a transcript of a conversation he had with a group of governors. "This gets solved at a state level."

-WH response to any problem


e: vote

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Fly Molo posted:

Yeah I don't think a "Give up and embrace the void" level of Climate Doomerism is helpful or wanted here. If we are taking the dome video at its word, there's nothing to be done but accept our demise. And frankly, that is neither useful discission nor helpful. We are not dead yet, nor are we likely, as a species, to fail anytime soon. So talking about the grieving process doesn't make a lot of sense because its not that final yet.

Is it going to loving suck as climate change gets worse? Yup. It will. It already is. But that's not a reason to give up yet.

I mean, I don’t have any influence over my favorite sport teams. I still like to analyze them and post about them.

There is nothing any of us can individually do to defeat climate change and it seems exceedingly likely that, yeah there is no hope and everyone is doomed.

I will still post about it :)

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

my approach to negative externalities is to ignore the externalities

in my mind they do not exist

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Mola Yam posted:

yes, but it's Nature Scientific Reports

academia has rotted away from the inside and bent the knee to mammon over the last, oh, 30, but especially the last ten years

there's degree inflation/devaluation, fewer job openings, below-poverty "stipends" for most researchers, and the "publish or perish" culture has been cranked to 999 as institutions corporatize and fill up with high-paid managerial-class idiots who need to create and then juice their metrics

so following on from that that, academic journals all have low-standard pay-to-publish spinoffs now, which will kind of just accept any old poo poo, and even better for the publishers, they can say "sorry can't accept your paper into [flagship] Nature X, but have you considered our ~Scientific Reports~?" Nature in particular are doing quite well off of this, as their name still has a lot of cachet, although they're working hard to erode that among academics with this bullshit

there might be some good research in Scientific Reports, sometimes? who knows. they published like 25,000 papers in 2021 alone, who the gently caress is reading any of that.

wow i'm worked up now

I appreciate the insight but I’m also
mad

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

I like whales and hope they make out okay.

they aren’t

but I hope

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

what’s the best link to share bout the lie of recycling ?

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Cup Runneth Over posted:

honestly i don't think there's even anything specifically wrong with the billionaires as human beings. the hoarding, number obsession thing is deeply human; look at MMO players, people climbing comp shooter ladders, playing EVE. this is just what happens when humans accrue that kind of power and make decisions with these kinds of stakes without being mentally inoculated against those natural psychological impulses. that's why I've said and maintain that the Great Filter is capitalism. put any random person through the process of accruing a whole shitload of money and they will also turn into a psychopath; I mean, look at any leftist podcaster/streamer that hit it big for an example.

the truth is the game was rigged from the start

what leftist podcasters are you talking about that hit it big and turned into psychopaths?

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

MLSM posted:

Hasan, tyt, Seder, etc

what happened?

I wasn’t even aware of those dorks until well after they already made it big

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

MLSM posted:

They took $25+ million from katzenberg (who’s a also a Liz Cheney fan lmao) and other dnc billionaires while pretending to be some edgy anti establishment org, when in reality they accepted a buyout in exchange for telling you voting/elections matter, which inherently props up the establishment they claim to be against . The same establishment that is destroying the biosphere on earth, endless militarism/spending, keeping healthcare private, privatizing education, etc. hasan even displays the hammer and sickle when he does all this . They’re loving scum

what the gently caress


I thought they were doing well by streamer standards like maybe $100k a month via patreon or some poo poo.

why did a centrist billionaire give them $25 million???

was this money all for the young Turk people?

thank you for sharing this info with me! I’m mad!

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Mirthless posted:

i went down the magnesium rabbit hole when I was doing the keto diet in 2012 and had the same reaction

there's a lot of diseases that are Completely Unique to Western Society and then you find out the american diet is basically devoid of potassium or magnesium or most essential nutrients and there's basically no supplement that is a functional replacement for dietary sources of those nutrients, and getting dietary sources of those nutrients is hard...

We also have a diet that is often insanely high in the wrong types of calcium so many americans gobble up a calcium supplement and eat a calcium rich diet and somehow still end up calcium deficient because none of the calcium is absorbing

edit: and just loving try to meet your daily potassium needs with food, you need to eat three loving cups of nuts a day! Possibly way more if they're lovely nuts! It may be impossible if they're processed! wild nuts were a primary staple for hunter-gatherers in virtually every culture prior to agrarianism, now our stomachs are so loving weak you throw up if you eat a single 8 oz bag of pistachios

there's a reason the clean living people are so loving crazy, there's no way to stare into the black mirror of the nutrition label and not see the horror of the dietary prison we have built for ourselves, a panopticon of relentless suffering and unaccounted misery

this is a while back but I’d love to see some resources you found that go into this topic. crunchy peer reviewed content in this area of study seems like it could take my crack ping to a whole other level :ssj:

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Mayor Dave posted:

adding to my reading list, ty

great list ty for sharing op

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

err posted:

reminder the jet stream is hosed and we are seeing the implications of it now

name 1 way the jet stream is hosed name just 1 implication

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

Stereotype posted:

and they might as well, since both noaa and nasa are explicitly prohibited from studying any greenhouse gasses, so no one else is.
is this for realsies?

I know that one of the Carolinas or maybe Florida, explicitly prohibited sea level rise lol

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

500excf type r posted:

I recently got some goats and I take them through the forest on walks and let them browse the foliage at their own pace and I've never felt more centered in my life than on our walks ihe forest



do you do this as part of a program with local trails authority to ensure that the trails are nice well kept for hikers?

Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

500excf type r posted:

I own 7.5 acres of woodlands and have miles of walking trails on it

that’s neat I would love to pet your goats

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Ornery and Hornery
Oct 22, 2020

I consume only red meat and only if it is sold in superfluously individually packaged plastic.

I drink mercury and I piss micro plastics

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