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Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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when is the next hurricane

# ¿ Sep 17, 2021 02:36

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 20:11

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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CODChimera posted:

i've moved beyond reading reports and videos about what will happen, now i only watch the actual destruction

reading reports and videos about what will happen is still good actually, because it makes it even funnier when they inevitably end up being gross underestimations and the experts who prepared them react with surprise and horror

# ¿ Sep 19, 2021 05:27

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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fits my needs posted:

who the gently caress designed that website god drat

honestly i get the vague feeling that it might have been a markov chain

# ¿ Sep 28, 2021 03:55

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Homocow posted:

this is gaslighting

# ¿ Oct 1, 2021 02:42

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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FistEnergy posted:

anything musk touches is guaranteed to be an incredibly expensive boondoggle that sucks up public money and fails to make the world's problems even a tiny bit better

anyone who owns a tesla needs to be shot into the sun in the next spacex rocket

# ¿ Oct 4, 2021 19:48

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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it's great actually

number go up

# ¿ Oct 4, 2021 20:21

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Blockade posted:

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1446555752433389584

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/575982-biden-officially-restores-national-monuments-rolled-back-by-trump

quote:

President Biden on Friday officially restored environmental protections that were rolled back by former President Trump � signing proclamations to restore the boundaries of two Utah monuments and ban commercial fishing in a Northeast marine monument.

Biden, in explaining his decision, invoked native rights, calling one of the Utah monuments, Bears Ears, �a place of healing ... a place of reverence, a sacred homeland to hundreds of generations of native peoples.�

He also brought up climate change and advocated for the climate provisions in his economic agenda.

�Nearly one in three Americans live in a community that was struck by weather disasters just in the last few months,� Biden said. �Both the Build Back Better plan and my bipartisan infrastructure agreement are going to make critical investments, significantly increasing the resilience to these devastating effects on the climate crisis.�

Trump had reduced the size of Bears Ears, designated by then-President Obama, by about 85 percent, and Grand Staircase-Escalante, designated by then-President Clinton, by nearly half.

He also decided to open up the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts Marine National Monument, off the New England coast, for commercial fishing.

The White House announced late Thursday that Biden would restore Grand Staircase-Escalante to its pre-Trump boundaries, prohibit commercial fishing in the marine monument and phase out red crab and lobster fishing.

For Bears Ears, it will return to preserving all of the land that was part of the monument before Trump, while retaining land that was added during the Trump years, to make the monument 11,200 acres larger than it was under Obama.

it's good imho

# ¿ Oct 9, 2021 04:00

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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im ready for category 6 to become an official designation, personally

# ¿ Oct 15, 2021 08:50

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Pooky posted:

https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1452454870276100097

they can eat the whole-of-my-rear end

# ¿ Oct 25, 2021 09:13

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Real hurthling! posted:

A selection of popular fast food items sampled in this study contain detectable levels of replacement plasticizers and concerning ortho-phthalates. In addition, food handling gloves contain replacement plasticizers, which may be a source of food contamination. These results, if confirmed, may inform individual and regulatory exposure reduction strategies.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-021-00392-8

so the gloves at mc donalds are just raining chems all over the food

yum

# ¿ Oct 28, 2021 01:33

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Mayor Dave posted:

https://twitter.com/ninalakhani/status/1455188469400195082?t=lECibNoVZBSdubL4S5IwzA&s=19

I looked at the speech transcript and didn't see anything remotely resembling this:

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-biden-cop26-climate-summit-glasgow-speech-transcript

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 20:33

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Valentin posted:

Not even remotely?

When Joe talks about investing in communities and developing new energy technologies and creating new jobs, I don't think he means making new and massive grants to basic research or creating a climate WPA, and unless we're about to start nationalizing the grid companies it sounds like he means subsidizing and incentivizing private companies, which seems like market solutions to me.

i think that's fair

# ¿ Nov 1, 2021 21:03

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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WaPo published a seriously good article yesterday.

Countries� climate pledges built on flawed data, Post investigation finds

quote:

Malaysia�s latest catalogue of its greenhouse gas emissions to the United Nations reads like a report from a parallel universe. The 285-page document suggests that Malaysia�s trees are absorbing carbon four times faster than similar forests in neighboring Indonesia.

The surprising claim has allowed the country to subtract over 243 million tons of carbon dioxide from its 2016 inventory � slashing 73 percent of emissions from its bottom line.

Across the world, many countries underreport their greenhouse gas emissions in their reports to the United Nations, a Washington Post investigation has found. An examination of 196 country reports reveals a giant gap between what nations declare their emissions to be versus the greenhouse gases they are sending into the atmosphere. The gap ranges from at least 8.5 billion to as high as 13.3 billion tons a year of underreported emissions � big enough to move the needle on how much the Earth will warm.

The plan to save the world from the worst of climate change is built on data. But the data the world is relying on is inaccurate.

[...]

At the low end, the gap is larger than the yearly emissions of the United States. At the high end, it approaches the emissions of China and comprises 23 percent of humanity�s total contribution to the planet�s warming, The Post found.

[...]

The gap comprises vast amounts of missing carbon dioxide and methane emissions as well as smaller amounts of powerful synthetic gases. It is the result of questionably drawn rules, incomplete reporting in some countries and apparently willful mistakes in others � and the fact that in some cases, humanity�s full impacts on the planet are not even required to be reported.

The Post�s analysis is based on a data set it built from emissions figures countries reported to the United Nations in a variety of formats. To overcome the problem of missing years of data, reporters used a statistical model to estimate the emissions each country would have reported in 2019, then compared that total to other scientific data sets measuring global greenhouse gases.

The analysis found at least 59 percent of the gap stems from how countries account for emissions from land, a unique sector in that it can both help and harm the climate. Land can draw in carbon as plants grow and soils store it away � or it can all go back up into the atmosphere as forests are logged or burn and as peat-rich bogs are drained and start to emit large amounts of carbon dioxide.

A key area of controversy is that many countries attempt to offset the emissions from burning fossil fuels by claiming that carbon is absorbed by land within their borders. U.N. rules allow countries, such as China, Russia and the United States, each to subtract more than half a billion tons of annual emissions in this manner, and in the future could allow these and other countries to continue to release significant emissions while claiming to be �net zero.�

In other words, much of the gap is driven by subtractions countries have made on their balance sheets. Many scientists say countries should only claim these greenhouse gas reductions when they take clear action, as opposed to claiming natural forest regrowth unrelated to national policies.

And some of this carbon absorption isn�t even happening � or at least not on the scale that countries assert.

Malaysia, for example, released 422 million tons of greenhouse gases in 2016, placing it among the world�s top 25 emitters that year, according to data compiled by Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. But because Malaysia claims its trees are consuming vast amounts of CO2, its reported emissions to the United Nations are just 81 million tons, less than those of the small European nation of Belgium.

[...]

The Post found that methane emissions comprise a second major portion of the missing greenhouse gases in the U.N. database. Independent scientific data sets show between 57 million and 76 million tons more of human-caused methane emissions hitting the atmosphere than U.N. country reports do. That converts to between 1.6 billion and 2.1 billion tons of carbon dioxide-equivalent emissions.

[...]

A new generation of sophisticated satellites that can measure greenhouse gases are now orbiting Earth, and they can detect massive emissions leaks. Data from the International Energy Agency (IEA) lists Russia as the world�s top oil and gas methane emitter, but that�s not what Russia reports to the United Nations. Its official numbers fall millions of tons shy of what independent scientific analyses show, a Post investigation found. Many oil and gas producers in the Persian Gulf region, such as the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, also report very small levels of oil and gas methane emission that don�t line up with other scientific data sets.

[...]

European Union officials estimate that rapid reductions in methane could trim at least 0.2 degrees Celsius from overall global temperature rise by 2050. More than 100 nations have now signed onto the newly formed Global Methane Pledge, an initiative launched by the United States and the E.U., which aims to cut emissions 30 percent by the end of the decade. But some of the world�s biggest methane emitters, including China and Russia, have yet to join to pact.

[...]

Meanwhile, fluorinated gases, which are exclusively human-made, also are underreported significantly. Known as �F-gases,� they are used in air conditioning, refrigeration and the electricity industry. But The Post found that dozens of countries don�t report these emissions at all � a major shortcoming since some of these potent greenhouse gases are a growing part of the world�s climate problem.

Vietnam, for example, reported that its emissions of fluorinated gases plunged between 2013 and 2016, to 23 thousand tons of CO2 equivalent. Asked about the 2016 estimate � which is 99.8 percent lower than what�s indicated in one key scientific emissions data set used by The Post � Vietnamese officials said more recent reports assume fluorinated gases do not escape from air conditioning and refrigeration systems. But they do: U.S. supermarkets lose an average of 25 percent of their fluorinated refrigerants each year.

There's a lot more in the article, but the gist of it is that it turns out dozens of countries have been grossly under-reporting their emission numbers, like with Australia removing the carbon dioxide emissions from their wildfires from the reports (lol, lmao), Malaysia claiming that their magic trees absorb four times as much carbon dioxide as normal, and China not having reported at all since 2014.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2021 17:35

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Hubbert posted:

how about we come back to this post in 10 years and see how i've done

i'm happy with my track record so far

https://longbets.org/

go go

# ¿ Nov 8, 2021 20:14

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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oh jeez

# ¿ Nov 8, 2021 20:25

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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there's a reason every post-apocalyptic tv show and game has a scene/episode/quest where the main character eats delicious meat before being told it came from a human

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 23:17

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Fame Douglas posted:

Yeah, because it's all uncreative garbage.

dont be such a hater

# ¿ Nov 9, 2021 23:43

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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so what are the thread's thoughts on greta?

# ¿ Nov 15, 2021 18:20

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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good evening

https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/status/1460821897810173955

# ¿ Nov 17, 2021 05:37

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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500 good dogs posted:

where do they put the captured carbon

in my pants

# ¿ Nov 24, 2021 06:50

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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precisely

# ¿ Nov 24, 2021 06:55

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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i know people who are still absolutely convinced that technology will solve climate change, that we'll just throw a lot of money at it when things inevitably get bad enough (i.e. when it becomes "cost-effective" to do so) and a solution will be invented, just like the covid vaccines

# ¿ Nov 24, 2021 20:39

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Lacrosse posted:

lol RIP

https://www.seattlepi.com/weather/article/3-atmospheric-river-events-to-hit-western-wa-16649332.php

quote:

Seattle is currently poised to receive up to an inch of rain through Friday morning while areas farther south like Tacoma and Olympia could see 1.5 inches of rain over the same period.

Did they mean feet? Because 1.5 inches of rain is not that much...

# ¿ Nov 25, 2021 01:45

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Rectal Death Adept posted:

Realistic re-boot 10 years later:

we discover a perfect habitable planet 6,000 light years away

we have a lot of people claim they are working on FTL to make money

wars are fought over the secrets to FTL to reach salvation

turns out it FTL never existed and the perfectly habitable planet was a trick by Exxon to boost it's quarterly profits to get a better share dividend in Q3 2038

the actual realistic reboot:

we discover a perfect habitable planet 6,000 light years away

we load everyone into generation ships and put them into cryo sleep

on the way to the new planet, the ships' autopilots, designed by tesla, make a left turn directly into an asteroid belt and wipes out the entire human race

# ¿ Nov 27, 2021 08:46

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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we should all be nice to each other

imho

# ¿ Dec 2, 2021 23:33

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Hubbert posted:

ok the alarm bells are going off in my head now

https://twitter.com/pkedrosky/status/1466240346858274823

Oh phew, had me worried for a second!!!

# ¿ Dec 3, 2021 05:35

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Hawaii under blizzard warning as 12 inches of snow and winds up to 100 mph expected

# ¿ Dec 3, 2021 21:45

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Tabletops posted:

worth noting that blizzard conditions are specifically at the summits of the two 13,000 foot tall mountains

well, that's boring

# ¿ Dec 3, 2021 22:29

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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ok so Colorado will be a desert in about 20 years. cool

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 00:19

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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religion can go to hell imo

sorry if this offends people though. i dont say it to be rude

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 06:10

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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The Wisest Moron posted:

Nah that's cool. The New Atheists just turned into/out to be racist assholes that furthered the propaganda of empire. Sam Harris in particular is a loving goblin.

i hate that guy

# ¿ Dec 4, 2021 06:36

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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breaking on WaPo

Crucial Antarctic ice shelf could fail within five years, scientists say

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Scientists have discovered a series of worrying weaknesses in the ice shelf holding back one of Antarctica�s most dangerous glaciers, suggesting that this important buttress against sea level rise could shatter within the next three to five years.

Until recently, the ice shelf was seen as the most stable part of Thwaites Glacier, a Florida-sized frozen expanse that already contributes about 4 percent of annual global sea level rise. Because of this brace, the eastern portion of Thwaites flowed more slowly than the rest of the notorious �doomsday glacier.�

But new data show that the warming ocean is eroding the eastern ice shelf from below. Satellite images taken as recently as last month and presented Monday at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union show several large, diagonal cracks extending across the floating ice wedge.

These weak spots are like cracks in a windshield, said Oregon State University glaciologist Erin Pettit. One more blow and they could spiderweb across the entire ice shelf surface.

�This eastern ice shelf is likely to shatter into hundreds of ice bergs,� she said. �Suddenly the whole thing would collapse.�

The failure of the shelf would not immediately accelerate global sea level rise. The shelf already floats on the ocean surface, taking up the same amount of space whether it is solid or liquid.

But when the shelf fails, the eastern third of Thwaites Glacier will triple in speed, spitting formerly landlocked ice into the sea. Total collapse of Thwaites could result in several feet of sea level rise, scientists say, endangering millions of people in coastal areas.

�It�s upwardly mobile in terms of how much ice it could put into the ocean in the future as these processes continue,� said Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and a leader of the International Thwaites Glacier Collaboration (ITGC). He spoke to reporters via Zoom from McMurdo Station on the coast of Antarctica, where he is awaiting a flight to his field site atop the crumbling ice shelf.

�Things are evolving really rapidly here,� Scambos added. �It�s daunting.�

Pettit and Scambo�s observations also show that the warming ocean is loosening the ice shelf�s grip on the underwater mountain that helps it act as a brace against the ice river at its back. Even if the fractures don�t cause the shelf to disintegrate, it is likely to become completely unmoored from the seafloor within the next decade.

Other researchers from the ITGC revealed chaos in the �grounding zone� where the land-bound portion of the glacier connects to the floating shelf that extends out over the sea. Ocean water there is hot, by Antarctic standards, and where it enters crevasses it can create �hotspots� of melting.

Without its protective ice shelf, scientists fear that Thwaites may become vulnerable to ice cliff collapse, a process in which towering walls of ice that directly overlook the ocean start to crumble into the sea.

This process hasn�t been observed in Antarctica. But �if it started instantiating it would become self-sustaining and cause quite a bit of retreat for certain glaciers� including Thwaites, said Anna Crawford, a glaciologist at the University of St. Andrews.

Models developed by Crawford suggest that Thwaites could exhibit this kind of runaway collapse, though it�s unlikely to happen in the immediate future.

�But what we�re seeing already is enough to be worried about,� she said. �Thwaites is kind of a monster.�

# ¿ Dec 13, 2021 21:04

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Real hurthling! posted:

news says 3-5 years? ok im pencilling in spring 2022 for glacier collapse in my pool

no joke, i think we'll see some absolutely insane climate disasters next year. the kind of warm winter we've been having in north america should be incredibly alarming, but none of the media outlets have connected the dots yet. they're easily distracted with stuff like tornadoes.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2021 21:22

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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https://twitter.com/NWSSPC/status/1471140728801800194

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM > Biosphere Collapse: First moderate risk in this area in December ever

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 19:35

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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just kidding i actually like the current title

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 20:00

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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bowser posted:

I'm tired of living in interesting times.

im not

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 21:01

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion, except we're all on the train

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 21:55

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Loucks posted:

I didn't finish reading that, but spending decades accruing filthy lucre in the fossil fuel industry only to have a change of heart once you're rich as hell is just posturing to deflect blame at that point. gently caress 'em all.

better late then never

actually, nah

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 23:28

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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hey everyone, ive made millions over the course of a lucrative two decade career setting the world on fire, but when a group of younger people asked me at a charity event how i could have been such a monster and the PR department wasn't there to craft a proper response, i finally had a change of heart and i now volunteer my (otherwise valuable) time doing pro-environment stuff, such as answering emails at a non-profit and creating educational flyers on MS Paint

# ¿ Dec 15, 2021 23:38

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 20:11

Thorn Wishes Talon: Oct 18, 2014; by Fluffdaddy
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Pobrecito posted:

hey climate thread checking in after a couple months of not paying attention. I assume everything is fine now?

Democrats made the Earth feel good

# ¿ Dec 16, 2021 20:44

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