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kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

They made a slight error in their calculations, the 40 card pool was for the list not the Special Guest. Special Guests will only be 10 cards and if what they've teased for Ixalan will be more in line with the lottery cards from Kaladesh/Amonkhet. Except its 1.5% instead of 0.6%

I’ve been seeing a lot of misinterpretations/confusion on this. Is this correct?

[% chance] to hit the list - I have read it’s 25% and also that it’s being reduced to 12.5% with the changes.

Pool of 50 cards. Roll again. 1.5% chance to hit Special Guests (10 cards). Get a random card among those 10.

If not, remaining pool of 40. 30 commons/uncommons. 10 rare/mythic. I haven’t heard anything on how rarity is selected here.

The List is new to me.

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kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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GonSmithe posted:

Can someone please explain to me why there is so much handwringing over losing lovely commons that literally 0 people play, ever, in any Limited deck, ever?
This has been a consistent throughline over the like 16 years I have been playing Magic whenever they make changes regarding Limited that I have never understood; why is it so important to have so many dogshit commons?

R&D have been making consistently good draft formats for years now, I trust their decisions here regarding drafting. I am not going to cry that a 5 mana 3/3 that does nothing isn't my last pick of every pack.

Losing a common less of an issue. The bigger issue is the variance in rares now creates a stronger dependency on the set balance for limited. WotC says they will balance commons/uncommons around preventing rare bombs shaping the limited format. They say that. If they start to slip up, intentionally or unintentionally, the variance impact on the format becomes a noticeable factor. To your point, I haven't played limited in a long time and from conversations with my friends the set balance has been fantastic in the past 4-5 years so that's a good sign. But if that slips things get worse than they would have otherwise because of pack variance.

Also WotC has to somehow avoid putting Commander related poo poo in these packs. From my understanding, Commander is the super popular format and set packs have had commander cards or commander focused cards in them. They say they will balance these new packs with limited in mind. Again, they say that, but now there is just one type of pack from which to distribute cards and Commander is the most popular format for the average Magic player. This is all speculative, but there is now a dependency on the health of the limited format on WotC doing what they say they will do. Take what you will from that.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Sapphic Socialism posted:

what was said in the article was

87.5% chance to get a common from the set
9.38% to get a C/U list card
1.56% to get a R/MR list card
1.56% to get a special guests card

so a 12.5% total chance to get a list card and 1/8 to get a special guests card if you get a list card

Also The List is a thing they added into set boosters in 2020, it's a list of 300 reprints of old cards that have a chance of randomly replacing a card in set boosters. They're cutting it down to 50 so it's easier to balance in a limited environment

Thank you. I read about the original list and understood the cutting it down to 50, but I missed the percentages in all the noise about the pack changes.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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I've been slowly going through attic boxes from way back. When my team dissolved I inherited all the cards, added to the collection, and eventually sold off most of the primo stuff. At the time I thought I was done with Magic. Would be cool to have playsets of Grim Monolith, Gaea's Cradle, Mox Diamond, among many other cards but the past is the past. I've been mostly going through piles for fun and the nostalgia hit, but I would be lying if I wasn't secretly hoping for a surprise money card that either slipped through our money binder or just wasn't worth poo poo back when I sold out. For some reason I can't find a single loving Rhystic Study which boggles my mind. Anyway...

Tonight I was sat on the couch casually going through piles (literally, this one is a cardboard box full of loose cards) when I hit this one:



A few minutes later found a Top, Sylvan Library, and a Strip Mine.



Also these deckbox booklets:



Didn't happen tonight but I dug out a beta Unsummon a few weeks ago when I first started sorting:



I have a mini heart attack every time I see the Legends set icon on a card. So far nothing crazy. TONS of random Ice Age stuff and Homelands kindling.

Compared to top end Magic collectables it's not much, but the alt art Ertai is $$$ and not seen often and the booklets are a fun nostalgia trip, so I figured I would share.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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HootTheOwl posted:

It was an extra 100 when I bought them! :argh:

My first couple Grim Monoliths sat in a white cardboard card holder for a year because I was in the Clawed Wurm is a good Magic card phase of my life. :black101:

Then I watched Jon Finkel win Worlds with Phyrexian Replicator, my first ever exposure to competitive Magic.

My view of the game completely changed and lots of my kitchen table friends stopped playing with me as I started learning competitive Magic.

My point is never sell your cards and your friends are not as important as the game. This is how you live with no regrets.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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The last time I pre-released DCI cards were a thing. Got this stupid app ready to go. Get off my lawn with your Marvel poo poo you punks, we’re going spelunking.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Hey thread! I’m trying to break into Modern after a long hiatus from competitive play. I am starting with a modest pile of cards, mostly non-Modern format. For learning the format and tech, am I right in thinking renting decks on Mtgo is the way to go?

I have the resources to buy in and eventually support 2-3 decks but I’m not trying to be a dumbass with my money. Right now I just watch Andrea Mengucci and Aspiring Spike videos and look at meta analysis of tournament lists.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Sickening posted:



This plays better than it looks.

Aspiring Spike agrees. One of his LCI modern brews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwk0invtWAs

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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I keep hearing Fury is the ban for Modern.

It will be Agatha's Soul Cauldron because I just got my playset of foils in the mail today :sun:

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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ShaneB posted:

poo poo, I was wrong. She still had 5 scam effects in the deck and 4 Grief. lol.

In game two Mariluz also double Griefed both David’s Shardless Agent which pretty much sealed the deal. :sun:

She was playing with a high level of confidence in all the showcase matches I saw on the stream and pre-sideboard she was positioned well with the 4 Dauthi main. All in all she was well prepared for the field.

Can’t wait to hear what the Reddit experts have to say about the format with these tournament results.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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I have started playing modern on modo. I might be the worst player queuing in modern league right now. I am a madman on the loose with too many event tickets, a hardened scales deck I barely know how to pilot, playing against decks I only understand at a conceptual level. This is a humbling and awesome experience.

Shout out to the amulet titan player who killed me turn 2 on my third game ever.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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HootTheOwl posted:

you might want to stay in the tp rooms until you figure the deck out

i probably should have picked a deck that doesn't melt my brain too but here we are hoot.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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HootTheOwl posted:

Sorry I wasn't trying to be condescending. Losing games to adjusting to the modo client is incredibly common and there's things you can play other than leagues until you get your play patterns ironed out and find the stops you like.
Open play (best of one, all jank)
tournament practice (best of 3, free, good place to play a few games and iron out the deck)
2 player queues (heads up match to double your entry. don't exist anymore for modern)
friendly leagues (6tix/60pp, break even at 3-2, half back at 2-3)
competitive leagues (10 tix/100pp money back at 3-2, half at 2-3)
Format challange (the big event)

Oh I was trying to playfully joke around (doesn't translate well to text) - no apology necessary. What I was doing is really dumb (0-5 all 0-2 in my first league lmao) and I really appreciate this advice. This format is not magic like I have ever played it before. I had no idea about TP and that's where I am headed next.

This format is awesome though. I think I have the right mindset going into it - staying humble about it and focusing on improving over winning, but also enjoying the small wins. Right now my small wins are things like clicking through Amulet titan triggers one by one as I process what is going on (hey pal, you picked this deck - you get to suffer through this with me), and taking a game off Yawg and LE. Piloting is 100% different from watching aspiringspike, mrseri and 2headedgiant do it on stream.

I understand how titan works now and won't put y'all through that anymore. But also maybe I will because what the gently caress is wrong with you people.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Sunk Dunk posted:

i stopped playing for 5 years and all of this new stuff is scary and i do not like it

On the one hand, you could turn back now.

But on the other hand... you could give in to the endless barrage of product reveals... lose all sense of time... reality...

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Playing constructed on arena costs considerable time or money. Early adopters who consistently go infinite in limited, spread their time investment, and collected cards across all the sets as drafting was available have a skewed perspective on the platform. I'm not discounting that you can grind out limited going infinite or casually jam games doing dailies and eventually build decks, but it is systematically designed to bottleneck wildcards - specifically rare wildcards. And the "look my free deck!" well dries up very quickly with rare wildcards. This also doesn't address that sure, you aren't spending 75-85 on a Sheoldred, but your 5c human legends Standard brew that costs 40+ rare wildcards has an insane opportunity cost in Arena. It balances out.

The time investment for "free" decks is spread out over time and is harder to immediately calculate. You could do it elsewhere that isn't a closed system, where you can eventually cash out or otherwise shift your time/money investment.

I could go on about card and format parity, obfuscating portions of the rules of the game to a degree where people don't understand fundamentals, the allocation of WotC's resources into Arena vs other platforms, and the impacts all of the above have on the game. I'm not a huge fan. But who knows? Maybe the slot machine money it brings in is part of what allows me to shake my old man fist at clouds.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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That RC was fun to watch. I don't know much about Pioneer but after this event I know more. The way things work these days is amazing. I went to melee.gg, grabbed some of the decklists while the tournament was still in progress, rented the decks, and played some TP games in mtgo.

I have concluded that I like modern more than pioneer more than standard. Rakdos midrange in pio is pretty cool though.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Azorius Control is a real clock destroyer too.

There were a bunch of people raising hell on Reddit that the winner was aggressively casting without giving his opponents opportunity to respond or acknowledge triggers. Allegedly, in semis he casted Memory Deluge and started drawing without giving his opponent time to respond, and in finals some Ledger Shredder triggers were missed because of a same or similar situation. These folks are claiming his pace of play had something to do with it. I did not see his semis game, but I did notice quick actions after casting in the finals. It's hard to tell exactly what is going on from watching a stream though. On one hand, if the alleged behavior is true that poo poo is scummy. On the other, I have no idea why the other player wouldn't call one of two judges over. If $15,000 is on the line, the second my opponent doesn't ask me if even one spell is ok to resolve you can bet the first words out of my mouth are "stop" followed by "judge". And repeat for as long as necessary.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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There is a theory that current AI art learning models will eventually start converging on their own results as source material for generating new art, resulting in a feedback loop of sorts that enhances stereotypes and deformities from prior results which when you think about it would be funny within the sphere of Magic the Gathering. I for one am looking forward to watching the slow transformation into the inbred art 17th iteration of Jace.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Sickening posted:

Nah, the decks playing grief aren't very good right now and if we just banned cards for the reasons we would ban grief the list would be loooooong.

Been really having fun playing goblins, merfolk, and mill lately. Modern has been fun. Way more fun than Pioneer. The comp scene is going to be a ghost town come standard season, bad times ahead.

I had a couple of good matches against merfolk this week. Scales is fun to play. Scales is hard to pilot. I played a mirror match while winding down my work week today and it broke my brain so I'm taking a break until tomorrow when my weekend starts. I plan on renting Murktide, giving that a go, and also playing around with a Grixis shell. The list that won last Saturday in the mtgo modern challenge looks like a good starting point.

Modern is the most fun I've had playing Magic, probably ever.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Scales in top 4 of the modern 96? Break out your abacus in celebration!

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Lifetime bans for everyone who doesn’t like the old borders! Turn in your DCI cards over here…

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Semi-related to printing and secret lairs, Frank Karsten did some year end analytics for CF:


While this was the first year that overall net new product went down since 2012, the overall increase over prior years is insane.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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The domain mirror is probably the most interesting matchup in Standard right now. Games are all about when and where you expend your threats and trying to gain advantage that way. You have to keep track of every Sunfall, Binding, Archangel, etc. It's a different way of playing Magic for sure. It's the only matchup I've been focused on for my RCQ on Saturday. It's also a loving slog and I'm slotting cards in the main because it's not uncommon for mirror wins to go 1-0-1.

It is sad seeing really cool synergistic decks like UW artifacts trying real hard and being nowhere near as efficient as the value piles. UW Mentor is the poo poo though - I don't care what anyone else says - and I am playing that on the 13th if I don't qualify this weekend.

It's cool that there are more cards in Standard, but something is off. There's not enough cards in the pool? The sets weren't aligned with this extended rotation in mind and maybe thats it? There is a semblance of rock-paper-scissors but again, it feels off and I can't place it. Also finding cards is hard as gently caress.

What I am trying to say is I'm both happy and real sad that my friend is out there jamming games of modern for the RC and I'm here playing standard for RCQs to Dallas for... more standard.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Weird Pumpkin posted:

My hottest MTG take is I think that a lot of modern answer cards (removal, etc) in mtg has gotten way too efficient, which has made the threats have to be insanely powerful to compensate for it

It's a race to produce ever more efficient threats that do everything, and then later print more efficient answers to deal with those more efficient threats

Modern is the best format because the answers are more efficient than the threats. I vehemently disagree with this take (respectfully though).

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Weird Pumpkin posted:

imo legacy is a better format than modern because the powerful universal answers also have extremely bonkers threats and powerful combo enablers to go with them

but I mostly have an axe to grind with cards like the evoke elementals truth be told, and I still kinda think unholy heat is too efficient for how easy it is to turn on

edit: but I totally get different viewpoints on this, I am, admittedly, a linear deck enjoyer at the end of the day

I admittedly haven't played any legacy - not for lack of access (on mtgo with manatraders). Paper is a little out of reach since I'm rebuilding my collection from scratch.

And Unholy Heat is just ridiculous. I can't complain about the evoke elementals because with Grief sticking around Hardened Scales becomes a better deck and that's my absolute jam. We hate amulet titan over here. We hates it.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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You know when would be a good time to cheat at Magic? When my own camera is on and recording me.

lmao I love good comedy

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Got absolutely thrashed at my first RCQ today. Trying to do the whole stay positive thing and focus on improving but losing sucks.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Fritzler posted:

What was the field like? Going to a Rav remastered sealed one next week but want to play some standard. Also I think rav remastered technically not allowed, but whatever.

62 people - 2 slot RCQ. Winners both played UW midrange. A decent amount of Rakdos and Domain, some Esper. A lot of lists geared towards beating domain.

Here are the winners lists:

https://www.twitter.com/Mrtoolshed_/status/1743821790302937336?s=20

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

He tries too hard to be the centre of attention, eg this time last year:

(These were photocopied hand drawn phyrexia themed valentines cards)

jesus christ how dumb do you have to be to pull something like this and not realize it’s going to blow back on you… the ego on some people

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Jiro posted:

Weird I wonder why

Lots of Standard cards are skyrocketing right now because of RCQ season. Shops weren't stocking them because why would they? It was negative EV to crack open product or hold inventory when Wizards has driven prices so low and there was no demand. Now all of a sudden everyone is jumping into a previously lesser played paper format to qualify for RCs so what stock there was has been eaten up.

Standard lands like Deserted Beach are sold out everywhere at LGS and removal like Destroy Evil are hard to find locally as well, for some examples to paint a picture.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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My order of standard cards for the next RCQ this weekend arrived from TCG Player! I received 11 singles, three of which are basic lands... not the 4x Wedding Announcement, 4x Virtue of Loyalty, 3x Mirrex, among others. AWESOME

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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It’s a manageable card that isn’t hard to play around. It’s definitely overvalued (in game) by bad players. It’s a mythic rare played across most formats in most decks that play black which maybe explains the price tag?

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Aphrodite posted:

Learn how to throw them hard and start cosplaying Gambit.

Win a cosplay contest for cash and buy more limited entries. Congrats u just went infinite

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Lottery of Babylon posted:

Only if it's the top-left corner that hits him in the eye. Hit with one of the other corners and he'll just know its mana cost, artist, or power/toughness.

this deserves an emptyquote lmao

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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HootTheOwl posted:

Can a cloaked card be turned up for it's disguised cost?

It can be flipped for either it's mana cost or disguised cost. "For example, if you cloak a creature card with disguise, the face-down creature can be turned up for either its mana cost (using cloak) or its disguise cost." Here is the mechanic deep dive: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/murders-at-karlov-manor-mechanics

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Bring back Astral Slide and Exalted Angel you cowards! detective Exalted Angel

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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^ exactly, it works like lifelink and happens instantaneously. It doesn't use the stack, isn't a triggered ability, and wouldn't double from this suspicious Delney character.

Edit: oh gently caress, it would double Venerated Rotpriest triggered ability. That’s disgusting…

kung fu jive fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jan 18, 2024

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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We almost had to do 7 rounds of Swiss at our first standard RCQ. Just missed the cutoff at 64 people? Or 62? IDK I barely understand tournament structure. I just show up and lose.

kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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wei posted:

We had ~30 on Saturday and 16 on Sunday at RCQs on the weekend, which is about average for my city. There was a second RCQ somewhere else on Sunday.

I won on Sunday with 4C Slogurk. I'm really enjoying the format but yeah it sucks how expensive and hard to find some of the cards are.

I need a primer or a stream to watch on that deck. I think I get the basics of it - grow Slogurk and bounce your opponents stuff - but there are so many decisions and cards in that deck that I don’t understand or would screw up.

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kung fu jive
Jul 2, 2014

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Sickening posted:

I like the card so much when its used against me I still think "gently caress this card is sick".

:same:

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