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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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:stare:

Oh drat.

I am definitely not up on current CIS politics. After Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova....who's next?

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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-says-three-scientists-face-very-serious-accusations-treason-case-2023-05-17/

Arresting your hypersonic weapons scientists on "treason" charges seems quintessentially Russian.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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I did a couple years as an exchange officer with the German navy. Our boat got deployed to the Med for the UN Lebanon mission, but the maritime component was based out of Cyprus.

Our first night on island, the other officers wanted to go out to someplace new for dinner. As we cruise around Limassol, they unanimously decide on where they want to eat:

Bennigan's

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Janky The Clown posted:

Did they the full Bennigan's cultural experience by having the Monte Cristo? The Americanized inbred cousin of a french sandwich, eaten at an Irishized bastard of an American casual dining eatery?

No. They all ordered giant hamburgers, then proceeded to try to eat them with a knife and fork before I forbade that travesty. :colbert:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Modern torpedoes don't damage ships by exploding on them.

Torpedoes damage ships by exploding under them causing a massive water void which expands then instantly collapses, rocking the keel up and down, breaking its back, and snapping the ship in two.

Armor doesn't help. You need a reinforced and flexible keel that can absorb the shock. And even then, the hull gets warped to hell and back.

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 02:17 on May 26, 2023

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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bulletsponge13 posted:

I end up doing the same thing with Taffy 3

"A large Japanese fleet has been contacted. They are fifteen miles away and headed in our direction. They are believed to have four battleships, eight cruisers, and a number of destroyers. This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

:black101:

Man. Leyte was a crazy battle. Kurita was only a couple hours from the transports in the bay without realizing it before deciding to turn around because he thought they had already evacuated. And Halsey’s force was way too far away to help had he decided to keep going.

I always wondered what Halsey thought once he learned he fell for Ozawa’s diversion. Knowing that the whole battle could’ve been lost by letting your lust for a carrier battle distract you.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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ded posted:

Everyone learns DC on a sub because there is no room for actual DC techs like on the skimmers.

Everyone learns DC on surface ships, too. It's just anything larger than a MCM or FFG has more people than a sub, so the skill set isn't as compacted. Hell, ask anyone here about the DCPO program. :v:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Hannibal Rex posted:

The world wonders.

"The message (and its trailing padding) became infamous, and created some ill feeling, since it appeared to be a harsh criticism by Nimitz of Halsey's decision to pursue the decoy carriers and leave the landings uncovered. 'I was stunned as if I had been struck in the face', Halsey later recalled. 'The paper rattled in my hands, I snatched off my cap, threw it on the deck, and shouted something I am ashamed to remember', letting out an anguished sob. RADM Robert Carney, Halsey's chief of staff (who had argued strongly in favor of pursuing the carriers), witnessed Halsey's emotional outburst and reportedly grabbed him by the shoulders and shook him, shouting, 'Stop it! What the hell's the matter with you? Pull yourself together!' Recognizing his failure, Halsey ordered his fleet south, however the chase north had exhausted the fuel of his light escorts and more time was wasted refueling while Taffy 3 (Task Unit 77.4.3, commanded by Rear Admiral Clifton Sprague) was fighting for its life. Halsey returned to Samar with his two fastest battleships, three light cruisers and eight destroyers, but he arrived too late to have any impact on the battle."

:allears:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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my kinda ape posted:

Something I've never seen answered one way or the other is if Halsey was ever made aware during his lifetime that the "The world wonders" phrase was meaningless padding and not actually an insult to him? It looks like that fact was mentioned in a 1960 book edited by Nimitz but Halsey died in 1959. Did they clear things up during the war or shortly after or did he die thinking Nimitz roasted him?

I imagine he realized it or learned after the fact. All the other ships which received the message properly removed the padding phrase from the printed type. His flag ship was the only one that didn't because his radio officer though it relevant since it's a natural flow from the rest of the message. :v:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Ionicpsycho posted:

"Gather round children, and let me tell you of my time in the Disney© 3rd Amphibious Division, the Daffy Ducks."

Daffy is Looney Toons!

Disney is Donald & company :argh:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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400 new posts overnight? Ukraine must’ve had a major breakthrough. Let’s see how far they’ve…

Oh…

Ohhhhhhhh poo poo. :stare:

lol

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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CommieGIR posted:

I doubt MAD changes here, if Wagner decides to open some canned sunshine its a sure sign that Putin is no longer in control of the military.

The big concern is the same one coming out of the collapse of the USSR which is nuclear material getting in the hands of malicious non-state actors in the confusion.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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SMH solemnly. I pity you caffeine needers. More victims of our abusive workaholic lifestyles.

Yes, I’m THAT rear end in a top hat! Mwwahahahah! :unsmigghh:

Edit: Goddamn, what a lovely snipe.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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IPCRESS posted:

Any big hovercraft still exist?

Give’em a squadron of LCACs and see what happens.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Hekk posted:

So that the first bit of debris lying around costs them a million dollar prop that they never have enough of?

:thejoke:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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steinrokkan posted:

It's so quaint now

"Russian cruise missiles destroy AEGIS system in Romania" lol

My favorite line is “state-of-the-art Akula class nuclear submarines”. :v:

Though, I guess even the Virginias are two decades old at this point.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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bulletsponge13 posted:

Am I the only one who doubts Russian nuke capabilities?

No. But the risk calculus doesn't allow us to operationalize those doubts.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Handsome Ralph posted:

My favorite was "Aircraft carriers are completely useless now thanks to missiles!"

I mean. Current gen hypersonics may make that a reality. It'll just take the U.S. and China going into an all out shooting war to see if he's right. :v:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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A.o.D. posted:

They'll make aircraft carriers exactly as obsolete as the machine gun has made infantry obsolete.

Eeeeehhhh. I don't think the two are comparable, but that's beyond the scope of the thread.

psydude posted:

IIRC, China's hypersonics are based largely upon Russian tech. Russian hypersonics have been routinely shot down by Patriot PAC-II and PAC-IIIs. I'd expect Aegis to be even better.

This is what everyone hopes. :v: There's a lot of theory beyond the threat, and it'll be interesting if nothing else if things actually come to fires.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Handsome Ralph posted:

He was making this claim circa ~2003 or so. Like yeah sure, if hypersonics work in reality as they do on paper, he might be right, but making that claim 20 or so years ago doesn't make him "right".

Oh, yeah. I know. :thejoke:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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psydude posted:

Shooting directions over a radio to a machine dropping 2000 pounds of Freedom.

Freedom from the suffering of this moral coil.

Subjunctive posted:

that’s what forensic teams are for

The big powers have enough aerial ISR assets to get the point without the need of surviving ground troops. :v:

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jul 29, 2023

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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This is kind of awesome though.

"You want to block the Kerch Strait and stop Ukrainian shipping into the Sea of Azov and Black Sea? Fine. We'll just terror bomb all your shipping in the area."

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Remember that joke at the height of the war on terror that if the terrorists ever convinced a 90 year old lady to hide explosives in her wheelchair, we've already lost?

Welp :nallears: The MOST asymmetric warfare.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Armacham posted:

I was president of one for a year because no one else wanted to do it lmao

I'm closing on a condo in about a month. The guy I'm buying it from is the HOA president, and they've already asked if I wanted to take the position.

Haha. Nope! Granted, it's only an 11 unit building and half of them are seasonal homes. But still. gently caress that noise.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Blistex posted:

Truck-launched Tomahawks when?

I mean.....they exist. But I'm more interested in giving them NMESIS system to gently caress off any naval asset protecting Crimea. :v:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Nessus posted:

Like the guy from Resident Evil?

Its the Marines' land based launcher for the Naval Strike Missile.

pantslesswithwolves posted:

There's a joke that all 1.5 million of Russia's 1 million Jews immigrated to Israel. They make up at least 15% of the population, which is a pretty significant share. It's really not unlikely that there's still a lot of affinity for Russia within that sector, and probably exploitation by Russian intel as well.

The number of Russians who apply for U.S. citizenship or try to skirt export controls by first obtaining Israeli citizenship would make your head spin.

AlternateNu fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Aug 11, 2023

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Nessus posted:

I think generally it is easier to keep a high state of preparedness in the navy vs. the army.

lol. This isn't true at all. Navy ops all require heavy technical and tactical knowledge and massive upkeep costs due to the nature of the platforms and their operating area. (Hint: The ocean likes to corrode things very quickly.)

The only time its more difficult to maintain your army over your navy is if your army is just THAT mechanized or THAT large.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Nessus posted:

Yeah I meant they actually sail their ships around and my understanding is that if you're sailing your ships around you are two-thirds of the way to being ready, if not more.

Russia notably did not usually sail their ships around from what I know, other than perhaps their subs.

Kiiiiiiiinda. Sailing around comes with it the assumption you're dumping enough into your ships to at least make them sea worthy. But you still need the operational experience and training to use them effectively.

The real issue is that even the most hardened navy in the world has practically no ship-to-ship combat experience. It's all training and theory most of the time. Because every time we've gone operational in the last 40 years, it's never been with a near peer opponent.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:

What’s the most recent near peer-ish one? India/Pakistan in the 70’s?

I would say the Falklands in '82. Argentina didn't have the sheer numbers, so they were never going to win. But their platforms were top-of-the-line, particularly their aircraft, and their crews were well trained. Purely from the naval perspective, the loses were pretty even. U.K. lost four warships and two landing ships. Argentina lost one warship, a sub, two patrol boats, and a smattering of cargo vessels but had more overall loss of life.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Dandywalken posted:

Mirage IIIs and A-4 Skyhawks?

Huh. For some reason, I thought they had Harriers, too but that obviously doesn’t make sense in retrospect. Yeah. You can ignore me on that point.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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in a well actually posted:

Aus naval procurement was bad for a long tome, I thought.

They got a bunch of our Perry class FFGs and actually made them menacing. I remember being on my old ship, passing an Aussie Perry port-to-port through the Strait of Malacca and feeling quite emasculated. :v:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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I've read the reporting.

I still don't believe it. Regardless, the real question is how many more Wagner bodies Russian MOD can snatch up as full recruits now that the dog-slinger is out of the picture.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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A.o.D. posted:

Is this shock or are you in possession of some impression that leads you to doubt that what seems to have happened actually happened? I'm not trying to call you out, I'd just like a little insight into your perspective.

It's just shock.

Like....I don't want to think all these fuckers involved are actually this dumb.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Automatic Retard posted:

That’ll do, Prig, that’ll do.

New thread title?

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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MrYenko posted:

Who had Block Ships on their 2023 bingo card? Because I wish I did.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russia-sinks-line-of-its-own-ships-to-protect-kerch-bridge

I’d be laughing quite a bit harder if they hadn’t already murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainians. It’s like the worst episode of keystone kops.

:raise: This is only going to make them want to target the bridge more as a continued "gently caress you" to the meager Russian countermeasures.

The Sea Baby's draft is only like...a meter, right? (Though, not loaded with nearly a ton of explosives, granted.) I can't imagine a few sparse artificial reefs stopping them from sneaking up on the bridge. Particularly since they already have perfect IMINT on their locations.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Aces High posted:

this reads like one of those real life examples you get told in workplace safety courses "x person was driving their truck, they hit a big pothole and it broke containment, the driver didn't think to put on any PPE before checking and passed out while checking. Their partner went to check on them and passed out, they both died"

complacency (and severe lack of situational awareness) kills

They show a video during high voltage training (e.g.; working on power lines) of an Indian village in the middle of a monsoon. People trudging through waste deep water with the wind blowing in their face. One dude leans again a power pole to steady himself and immediately drops. Someone wades over to him to help him up, puts his hand on the pole for stability, immediately drops. Two other people suffer the same fate over the next 60 seconds. None of them noticed the ceramic insulators at the top all broke off and the primaries were just laying on the pole, energizing it with 12,000+ volts.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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Jesus gently caress! :stare:

The real question is whether that pilot is still alive or was shame-beat to death.
"I thought RHIBs would be easy targets! :cry:"

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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brains posted:

the t-72 knows where it is by where the turret isn't

:aaaaa:

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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PurpleXVI posted:

So what would be the scale of potential legal consequences for this kind of thing, if you're found guilty of it? I would assume it would be pretty brutal.

Export/IEEPA sentences are honestly pretty lax. Usually massive fines/forfeiture of illicit gains, loss of business licenses, being put on a BIS denied persons/SDN list and maybe a couple years in jail. If they tack on something more substantial like agent of a foreign power (which isn't even that much more substantial, honestly), they won't get any more than that.

Most Russian-linked proliferation agents in the U.S. just lose their U.S. based assets and just go back to Russia after a year or two in jail.

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AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

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GD_American posted:

I'm honestly shocked that Six Sigma never took greater root in the military. It's got all the cultish trappings to really capture the heart of the officer class.

Its still a big bullet point for acquisition weenies for some reason.

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