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Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

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Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Scotland is a one-party Tory state masquerading as a leftist society through the sham apparel of social liberalism. Over a decade of SNP rule and the social safety net is literally that - more holes than anything else. Emergency services and education have gone down the shitter, with waiting times up and quality of care down, class sizes going up when the SNP swore they’d come down, rampant inequality worsened by middle-class liberal elitism telling The Poors how they need helped (but definitely not asking them).

I grew up in the highlands, lived in Glasgow for over a decade, lost friends over deliberately divisive single-issue politics, and it absolutely incenses me that they continue to hold themselves up as a liberal New Norway(tm) when actually they’re run by a succession of power-mad shitheaps drunk on their own ideologies.

If you want to know how it’s going, read Poverty Safari and be prepared to be very, very loving angry.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Her Dryer posted:

That is some interesting editing lol. Yeah, people only stopped voting for Labour up here because of that darned Corbyn!!

People stopped voting for them because ScotLab toed the Tory/nationalist line of being pro-Union. Regardless of the (in)competence of ScotLab, that alone was enough to poison the well. It’s hard to fathom what the IndyRef did to the political landscape up there unless you lived through it.

Jeherrin fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Mar 3, 2022

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

ThomasPaine posted:

paging coohoolin

Please don’t

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Gorn Myson posted:

"Corbyn lost Scotland" is literally a thing libs talk about a lot, even though its quickly shown to be false by a single search on Wikipedia.

Libs are dumb as gently caress, news at eleven.

It’s loving infuriating. ScotPol is something I try to only think about strategically because I have low blood pressure so I go ‘oh, the SNP’ before I stand up and therefore avoid the momentary dizziness.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Her Dryer posted:

It's maddening for the reasons Jeherrin outlined above. Liberals will never forgive Corbyn, ever, ever, for largely imaginary crimes.

The only respite they give is when they blame WeStMiNsTeR

(Don’t remind them the things they’re prodigiously failing at are largely devolved so uh it’s on them actually)

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

ThomasPaine posted:

wait wasn't it miliband who lost scotland, mostly on the back of the fallout from the indyref?

BUT CORBYN

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I rescued a dog today so that is my productive thing done for the next month or so.

Please elaborate on this happy story.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I was going back to my car from a call and it was wandering around the village, so I followed it for a bit because I wasn't sure if someone was walking it, but nobody turned up, seemed a bit skittish, but eventually it led me to a pub and sort of looked at me like "please open the door for me" so I did and apparently the landlady had gone out for a smoke and forgot the dog had gone with her, so she was glad to get him back. Hopefully the lad was just nervous cos he was stuck outside. Mostly I just didn't want him to get hit by a car cos it was near a busy road.

Seems a bit negligent but I dunno, hopefully they will be more careful next time.

Your High Fantasy Name is now Owlfancier Dogfriend.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

The collapse started in 2007, was slightly forestalled in '10's general election, but it's not all on the shoulders of Labour. The real killing stroke was the independence referendum but the rot had set in well before then. Unlike Jeherrin & Scottish Labour I think that saying Scottish Labour collapsed because of independence is reductive bollocks. The rot started decades ago when Labour were effectively the only party in the most populated parts of the country, so eventually all the grifters & careerists join in & places like Glasgow City Council (& its predecessors) became corrupt as hell & just deeply complacent, even as the East End remained one of the poorest parts of western Europe with one of the lowest life expectancy (I think it might be #1 now for low life expectancy?). The councillors & MPs were often pure loving chancers at best. For every Gordon Brown who actually had a brain inside his skull there were several dozens of people like George Galloway who only bothered to turn up in his constituency when it was time to campaign for re-election & otherwise just didn't give much of a gently caress even as he espoused socialism. Scottish Labour didn't even really have the thing that New Labour down south had where people who in their youth were quite radical turned into loving monsters, like David Blunkett possibly most notably. Even in the decade between the devo referendum & Labour losing power in Scotland they had 2 First Ministers resign in dodgy dealing circumstances (although next to some of the poo poo Boris has pulled it's pretty quaint stuff).

There was only a gap for the SNP to fill because of the staggeringly complacency of ScotLab: look at George Robertson's famous quote in 1995, "Devolution will kill Nationalism stone dead". Woops. But gently caress, look at the context of 1995, the Nats had 3 MPs, I'm pretty sure the most they'd had between 1979 & 2015 was 6 (in 74 they won 11 seats, & that was when Scotland had more than 70 MPs). They have only been able to make independence a wedge issue because Scottish Labour have been completely moribund. ScotLab made these circumstances for themselves & between the Blairite attitude of chasing Tory voters in the south east at the expense of lifelong Labour voters in the north of England & Central Belt because "who else do they have to vote for" & the sheer loving lack of talent on their benches (seriously, look at the people who've been party leader north of the border, it's nonentity after nonentity, people lacking charisma, presence, sincerity, ideas or anything else but a sense of entitlement that Labour are the party of government in Scotland & so it'll ever be) because most of the prominent Labour MPs decided to stay at Westminster as Holyrood was viewed as a backwater. And one of the few MPs who wanted to stand for Holyrood, Dennis Canavan, was turned down because he was in the Socialist Campaign Group & you know what New Labour was like. So he ran as an independent and absolutely skelpt the official Labour candidate, getting 55% of the vote while the Blairite approved chancer Ross Martin got 18%. And when Canavan retired in 2007 SNP have won the constituency every time; Labour's chances were scuppered because of right wingers being more obsessed with crushing factional rivals than anything else.

I think you’re right. My experiences were borne if being fairly solidly/culturally pro-Lab in my circle and when the IndyRef happened, that’s when it really felt like Labour just lost any hope of meaningful opposition.

That said, your argument is more complete! And let’s not even get started on the dodginess of successive first ministers.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Lungboy posted:

Tidal seems to be permanently beset by problems. There's a hub off Cornwall that they've been trying to hook stuff to for a decade and it's still not generating anything afaik.

It's not without irony that two of the most productive environments for energy production — the sea and the deserts — are some of the most difficult environments to build long-lasting infrastructure. The sea especially is a very hard place to build moving things that need to be mechanically robust.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Convex posted:

*solemn news voice* UK used to mean “United Kingdom”, but ask anyone today and they'll tell you it stands for “Unbelievable Kunts”

It's been temporarily replaced with Unwelcoming to uKraine

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

:discourse:

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Beefeater1980 posted:

Is it just me or is JoMo now tweeting differently? Using a more casual style. Old dog new tricks perhaps?



Private Eye’s ‘Profits of Doom’ exposé on this subject was infuriating reading.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Agreeing with Campbell always makes me feel very uncomfortable.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Pablo Bluth posted:

Ofgem have moved a bunch of costs from being covered by the unit rate to the standing charge. The standing charge is also covering recovering all the money lost to the brankrupt companies.

I hate that the fact that a failure of capitalism (hedging against futures and getting it wrong) is the people’s fault. Profits are capitalism, but debts are socialism.

gently caress them all. “Oh we’re sorry that we’re uniquely exposed to market changes and have to pass the costs to consumers because ::shuffles notes:: utilities are unusually heavily privatised compared to anyone who isn’t Germany.”

Absolute shower of arseholes.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Bad actors sometimes just take money from whoever because they are amoral pieces of poo poo rather than because they are taking part in a complex conspiracy to pervert otherwise perfect liberal democracy

The last-but-one literary review in Private Eye reviewed that recent book someone published about Farage (the one that said 'he panders to racists and does racist things but, y'know, I just don't think he's a racist!') and what you've said is pretty much the conclusion the reviewer arrived at. Farage (and grifters like him) might be useful to propaganda regimes like Russia but it's not really correct to call them assets. They'll take their money (see: grifters) but their only reliably loyalty is to themselves.

Personally and as an aside, I think that's part of what makes them so infuriated to the centrists—people like Farage are the embodiment of the fact that The Establishment really only cares about itself, and it's designed that way, but the centre still believes that people in power can be moderated through a complex system of handshakes self-sustaining codes of 'common decency' and 'integrity' and all that. Farage, Boris, Reese-Mogg — they all demonstrate in varying levels of tweed that the system attracts grifters, makes grifters, rewards grifters, and whose central principle is 'you're here to make money—for you'.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
This argument feels like a microcosm of the left’s tendencies to paralyse progress through the incessant critique of each other on the nuances (the thing you argue isn’t written the way I believe it should be written!) whilst still agreeing about the most macro thing (capitalist greed is bad and destroys society!)

Deliberate foreign financially-leveraged interference in our country is bad because is panders to elite libertarians/capitalists who are easy prey for destabilising actors. A weaponised class system that systemically empowers that elite is also a bad thing. A press system that’s ripe for exploitation either through home-grown bigotry or ownership by people with demonstrable foreign investments in destabilisation of a European power is also very much a bad thing. All of these things can (and are) true. They have interdependent causalities.

People like Cadwalladr might be overstating deliberate, planned Russian interference. She might not be. It’s difficult for any of us to know. But going No True Scotsman on it all isn’t always helpful—and ultimately it’s off putting for people to be told that their introductions to systemic corruption are invalid because the person writing about it doesn’t conform to spurious standards about level-of-rightness.

I know that this thread has a tendency for cynicism (which largely I enjoy) but god drat, it’s getting into the realms of discounting people as The Wrong Kind Of People rather than deconstructing their arguments too often for (my) comfort.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

TACD posted:

I agree, but it's also putting the cart before the horse. We can have all the proof in the world that our democracy is being undermined by foreign money, but it does no good so long as we don't have a culture of actually holding people to account and making changes.

There's not much point pointing out all the law-breaking going on when there's no punishment for breaking the law or any effort to enforce the law in the first place.

E: To be clear, we need to be doing both pointing out the law-breaking and fixing the system that enforces the laws, but I think we need to prioritise fixing the system over any specific instance.

In terms of prioritisation, an argument could be made that pointing out specific instances is important because it’s a means of galvanising a largely ground-down voting base to actually care enough to vote for people who won’t perpetuate it—or even stand themselves if those people can’t be found.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
If you think you've read the meltiest take... think again.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-was-right-to-embrace-the-oligarchs-6rrtjh0zj

Pastebin because paywalls: https://pastebin.com/F7c5Aq5Z

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
If only there had been a recent attempt to end fire and rehire

But apparently legislation during a pandemic wasn’t the right way to ‘address long standing concerns about worker protection’

Suppose that might have stopped their mates coining it in by abusing furlough and fire and rehire eh

Cunts. 800 people without jobs right before a NI hike and a cost of living crisis.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
‘Expressed concern’ is new labour ‘thoughts and prayers’.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
A take absolutely beyond belief:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/17/backlash-over-strip-searched-girl-child-q-uk-cares-about-minorities-kemi-badenoch

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

serious gaylord posted:

Regarding the P&O stuff.

I can say that the vast majority of their current senior leadership team did not know this was going to happen until this morning. They are also currently fearful for their jobs due to being cut out of all of this discussion.

Staff were threatened with this a number of years ago before P&O backed down but to see them actually go ahead with it is mind boggling. Its potentially illegal (depending on where their vessels are flagged) and certainly goes against their internal staff policies and HR Guidelines. This is literally a nuclear option and there is no-where for them to go after doing this.

Its also important to remember the ongoing pension case which could bankrupt them anyway.

I am confident they have a well oiled team of lawyers who are very, very loving sure that they’ve greased enough palms in government that they’ll get out of this on a technicality.

It’s shitheels all the way down.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

domhal posted:

My baseless theory is that Boris will let ministers/whoever do whatever they want as long as they support his premiership because he DGAF.

His perceived desire to appear leaderly in a time of crisis - which one might expect would lead to e.g. welcoming Ukrainian refugees with open arms - is overridden by his need to stay in office and let the home office do whatever it wants, one might imagine.

This; with an added side of ‘deliberately pandering to an older demographic that is typically against the deregulation of abortion, where ‘deregulation’ means ‘making it easier’.

It’s a lot of ‘well in my day it was A Big Deal and we suffered through unwanted pregnancy and people turned out fine’ with a side order of ‘well, people who aren’t ready for children (read: The Lower Classes) should be more responsible’ (and let’s not forget that the privileged classes have always been able to get safe and discreet access to abortion). Never mind that the evidence for those unwanted pregnancies not turning out well is manifest in the fact that it’s produced people who continue to think deregulated abortion is sole kind of crime against humanity.

It’s class war. It masquerades as culture war but it’s absolutely class war.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
Anecdotal I know but I’m in a pub that’s using free Spotify and between the ads on this and a bunch of ads I’ve seen on the tube, it feels like the Met are on a hardcore PR/recruitment drive burnish their deservedly poo poo reputation. So many BE A COP WE ARE GREAT adverts.

gently caress off!

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

This one sparks joy.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Gambrinus posted:

Got the 0855 and no-one cared.

Now on the Cardiff to Manchester train, which may be the worst long distance journey in the UK. Three glorified dog boxes jammed together.

Still, there's always some nice knackered old trains to look at around Crewe.

The only time I changed at Crewe I had about 30m to kill so I nipped outside for a fag. Looking around, I shortly thereafter felt like I was an improvement to the general ambience. This was about a decade ago so perhaps it's improved.

Almost two years to the day of the start of lockdown, I have finally caught the 'rona. Wife had it a month ago, I did not. Wife was boosted one month before me. Correlation != etc etc, but still. Hope she doesn't get it.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

The Perfect Element posted:

I have had a lot of job success through LinkedIn. Just create a profile if you haven't got one already, put your job history and experience on there, tick the little box which says you're open to offers, and just wait for the recruiters to come to you.

+1 to this. Last job literally came through updating my profile, setting myself open to offers, and everything after that was responding to people coming to me.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

peanut- posted:

The “don’t tell them what you earn now” thing doesn’t really work in the UK. Maybe if you’re dealing directly with the company you could manage it, but external recruiters just won’t progress your application if you don’t give them a number for your current compensation.

Of course that means you just tell them a number that’s a chunk higher than the real one.

I refused to tell either the recruiter or my new employer what I was making. I gave them a range I would accept, with the bottom end being of that range being what I considered the bare minimum I would accept. It was also the going rate for the seniority I was pitching for, so I knew it would be reasonable.

Your current salary is nobody’s loving business (except your fellow worker’s; solidarity through honesty).

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Failed Imagineer posted:

"My current employer considers that information financially sensitive, and asked us not to share that information, so I'm trying to respect that". It's an obvious lie, but if they pursue it further they look unprofessional

You don't even have to do that. You can just say no. 30 seconds on glassdoor and google will tell you the going rates for your profession at your level, and you simply tell the recruiter that you know the going rates and look forward to discussions about roles that pay within that gamut.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

NotJustANumber99 posted:

15 mins more Priti Patel than I can face

emptyquote

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

keep punching joe posted:

why anyone would live anywhere in the UK that isn't Glasgow is beyond me.

I spent eleven years there. For me, it was the weather. And the corruption and the inequality and the continuous deprioritising of the arts by the council and the terrible refuse collection and the sky-high council tax but mostly, above all, it was the the weather. And the corruption.

I moved to London pretty much because the south of England has a semblance of seasons. Having SAD for 9 months of the year was killing me.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Miftan posted:

Christ if you think the south of england has seasons I can't even imagine what Glasgow is like.

The winter that really did it for me was the ‘14 to ‘15 winter. We went from October to March without seeing sun once. It was either raining or overcast or sleeting.

Glasgow is a damp city. Humidity is often high. Combine that with 5C and you get a pervasive cold that settles in the bones. I remember going outside and being able to see my breath at 9C. 90+% humidity in winter is not unusual.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
the Voyager Probegram and the Goatse Record

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

keep punching joe posted:

lol did the vague call for revolution get deleted but not the specific demand to drag Boris out by his ears? Twitter moderation is weird.

Revolutions hurt Jack Dorsey's bottom line.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

BalloonFish posted:

"My local council is strictly non-political - they're all Conservative." Michael Flanders, 1957

The same thing applied to young people, and why the Young Conservatives was the largest political youth organisation in the Western world in the 1960s. Most of the YCs activities were not expressly political, but it provided a 'respectable' way for the kids of suburban and rural middle class parents to socialise, travel and do community work. Of course it also subtly enforced Conservative norms and ideas as it did so, and primed many (but not all) of its members to be, if not Conservatives then conservatives, as adults.

The YCs were always significantly more moderate/progressive than the party at large, but a load of neoliberal 'dry' arseholes came into the organisation in the early 80s, mostly to try and overtturn the YCs' anti-apartheid and full-employment stances. This caused factional disputes to break out which, combined with the divisive Thatcher-era policies, drove most of the normal people who just wanted the occasional dinner dance and coach trip away and the membership plummeted, so by the 1990s the YCs had become one of the most swivel-eyed bits of the Tory structure and began birthing all those weirdo 15-year olds with Lego minifig hairstyles who wear pinstripe suits to school.

About 15 years ago my sister was a member of the YC (she claimed she was 'just helping out the treasurer') but it culminated in her wearing a loving Thatcher pin on her lapel with the oval office's face on it in loving Edinburgh where she lived. It takes a special kind of blinkered to do all of those things at the same time.

Weirdly I think it's probably why I have never quite trusted her ever since.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

feedmegin posted:

If we're going back that far then also white Scottish and Welsh, to be fair.

Not very far back.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

Yeah inserting himself into situations where he achieves nothing is literally all he does.

Unfortunately he has achieved conception upon insertion ███████ times.

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Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Party campaigning on 'Tough On Nonces, Tough On Trans Causes Of Nonces' in Nonce Shocker

In case it wasn't clear, obviously I am not trying to imply that I believe trans people are nonces, but what is clear is that the Tory aversion to trans rights is a dogwhistle because they believe that trans people are deviants

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