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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Bishyaler posted:

Didn't know Pete Buttigieg posted here

paranoid randroid posted:

Okay I know I just aggro-shitposted at Mellow Seas but you can't just accuse a guy of being Mayo Pete like this

Could you two either debate and discuss or knock off the passive aggressive routines? Thanks

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Bishyaler posted:

I can't wait until "green nukes" enter the lexicon.

If you are talking about nuclear power.....

...but yeah, its hilarity that people are trying to rehabilitate nuclear weapons.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Next up in D&D: roundhouse kicking a 3rd grader in the face, how much is too much? Join us for refined erudite debate with that EXTREME edge, because the snowflakes at HR keep threatening my job for debating my reasonable opinions on the matter at work

Point made. Can you actually post about US Current Events or are you done?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Are these the debate standards of D&D now

Is Leon Trotsky the entirety of D&D? No.

Are you done? If you do not wish to engage with them, don't. D&D is not a hivemind and this is frankly really boring sniping you are doing.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Well that is why I asked the question, I thought that bad faith debate tactics like editing quotes from sources to change the meaning wasn't up to the standards of this forum.

It wasn't sniping at the forum to point out that someone is falling below the standards we have and what is your problem anyway, surely Jimmy Dore tactics of editing quotes is the problem, not pointing it out?

If he is not the problem here then it seems my question is a valid one and I do have the wrong idea about what debate and discussion is supposed to be.

One poster does not a valid generalization make. You should know better. I will have Koos review Leon Trotsky's posting, but until then knock it off with the lovely generalizations.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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GhostofJohnMuir posted:

hawley finds the real victim of child pornography, himself

The projection is eternal, much like Ted Cruz's obsession with it, yet his mysterious friendship with a child pornographer being a non-issue

https://twitter.com/santiagomayer_/status/1506649831107809282?s=20&t=d34cDzFxbhOCGp36G9nYQw

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

This is a pretty blatant abuse and reason infinity+1 why we need to expand the loving court.

This is especially damning given McConnell, king of court packing, going on record yesterday saying he's 'Concerned' about Ketanji Brown Jackson's feelings about court packing. Again, its always projection with these fucks.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Willa Rogers posted:

The CNN obit only mentions a passing glance at her work "in the private sector for a time" but that's where she truly shone. Also, lmao:

So many of these people love falling into MLMs/Scams its amazing.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Gumball Gumption posted:

I mean yeah, scams are profitable when you're part of the group running it. She wasn't hawking Herbalife she was a business consultant.

It would forever be darkly funny if she had supported bombing so many places as a way to make them desperate for selling Herbalife to rebuild their rebooking.

True, but a lot like what happened to Theranos, you don't want your name associated with them when/if they crash and burn.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Not the thread to discuss Azov or Ukraine, thanks

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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some plague rats posted:

The US government doesn't care about genocide at all, and claiming that's why the US is getting involved is obviously not true, so looking suspiciously at what they're upto seems sensible. Not sure how your grandparents being Ukrainian contradicts that point?

Shocking two things can be bad, and in this case I suspect Russia's actions and intentions are overwhelmingly more bad and suspect than the US's actions in this, and frankly its tiring to pretend otherwise.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Gumball Gumption posted:

Pointing out that the US doesn't care about genocide and uses it as an excuse to rally sympathy around it's own motives is not saying that you love Russia and don't think they're doing anything and frankly it's tiring to pretend otherwise. Russia is committing a genocide, the US government has no interest in stopping germicides so that can't be their motive here. It might be your motive, it's a good one. You're a good person for not wanting genocide to happen. The US government doesn't care.

Okay framed like that, I can agree with that statement. Yes, the US is not likely involved because of Russian genocide against Ukrainians. But preventing it as a side effect is something I can support.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

putin is trying to enact a genocide in ukraine? first I've heard of it, but it's possible I missed something.

wouldn't put it past him by a long shot, but to my knowledge only one of America and Russia is currently actively engaged in a program of ethnic cleansing at its borders

When Putin says "Denazification" he doesn't mean Azov.

He mean's Ukrainian culture in general.
https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1507037472005443591?s=20&t=i0rHdwLG9pgOLxcPlXF_yw

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

no argument here, I'm just having a hard time putting it higher on the ol' genocideometer than 'these vermin are a plague risk and as such must be purged from our borders, by men on horseback with whips if necessary,' which I have been assured rather than genocide is just a Pragmatic Compromise To Get Things Done.

The problem is Russia has a long and storied history in is post-USSR engagements, especially under Putin, of conducting ethnic cleansing including brutality and murder. Serbia, Georgia, Chechnya, to name a few. This operation largely is not different in that regard and they've already done some outright sketchy poo poo like force refugees to only seek refuge in Russia, kidnapping people and disappearing others.

This is not a new song and dance in Ukraine.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Discendo Vox posted:

For the love of god stop entertaining and facilitating the derail you said was supposed to stop.

Fair point. I stand corrected, lets try to get back on US CE.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Mar 24, 2022

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Oh my god all of you shutup and talk about something else.

Even if you were all mature enough to talk about it, you cannot stop slapfighting and acting like children. Knock it off.

some plague rats posted:

Is that 40 different reports or reports from 40 different people? Because those two situations require two different types of moderation

Knock. It. Off. I swear the next poster who comes in here and decides they know best on how to moderate the thread (includes you Vox) can enjoy a week. If the thread wants to discuss the sanctions, fine. That's what we'll discuss. But you guys smacking each other silly over who is best to decide that is pretty bad.

By popular request we can discuss sanctions until Koos takes a further look at the absolute flood of reports we have to deal with now. If there is a problem, report it. The general rule of not posting about posters applies here.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Mar 26, 2022

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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virtualboyCOLOR posted:

Without a comment of your own I responded with how I viewed the tweet you posted.

Was there a discussion you wanted to start with the posting of that tweet?

Where would you like the discussion to go?

I'm very sure you can find a way to do it without the snark, so chill out

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Harold Fjord posted:

E: No snark about CE? New rule?

Snark and aggro posting isn't doing anything helpful to the conversation, is it, and is more likely to result in egging people into doing the same.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Mar 27, 2022

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Since when do we judge actions solely by their intentions and not the consequences

Was the Iraq War good because according to Bush and Cheney's stated intentions it would save tens of millions of people from nuclear annihilation at the hands of Saddam, and also be quick and relatively bloodless since we'd be greeted as liberators and our boys would be home by Christmastime

Depends if you are judging it entirely on the made up reasons that Bush and Cheney lied about to justify it. Which, in case it wasn't obvious, it was not good.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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How are u posted:

Why anybody would admit to smoking weed for a job that will require clearance is beyond me lol. Foolishness.

I know my office (in Red Georgia) doesn't even test for marijuana in their drug test for hiring anymore. Openly say as much as well.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Hey when's the next feedback thread coming, are there plans for one.

Because there's no place to ask questions and discuss why arbitrary probations keep getting handed down with bizarre reasons like this. A mod didn't follow the conversation and didn't understand the argument being made, but assumed it must be some kind of "slam" and started hitting buttons on a rather boring anodyne post? What? I ignored it for a while but it keeps happening and it's impossible to predict which mod is going to misconstrue something and slam it hours later.

PMs just get brushed off so I've stopped doing that.

I'll tell you this much: Its not this thread. PM Koos, but threads are not your personal place to complain in.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Yeah I agree there should be some kind of community thread for everyone to discuss forum issues in, when are we gonna get that?

Every little injustice against you is not grounds for a feedback thread, and the US CE thread is not your stage to demand such. I've told Koos of your concerns. Now knock it off. This is not a US Current Event.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Harold Fjord posted:

I'm very anti violence and I think what happened there at the Oscars was perfectly acceptable

Yeah, I'm having a hard time faulting Will's actions. Granted, Will himself (like many comedians/actors) also has a history of making jokes in poor taste, but this was personal for sure.

Maybe punching down in jokes is bad?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Riptor posted:

This is some weirdass posting

Its all weird rear end posting. Stop posting about posters, jesus.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Done.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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He's trying to figure out how he gets in on this catboy nonsense.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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World Famous W posted:

If 2024 rolls around and both parties candidates are in their 80s, well, just endless screaming

Old Men ruling the world, a new age.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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VitalSigns posted:

Is that baseless, I guess I don't know if it was censored here or not, maybe the OP will provide something to back it up after their 6 hour vacation

Or maybe not since it might get them probated again since there was no real reason given for the probation other than huffiness so it's anyone's guess whether the punishment was because it was false, because it was true but wasn't sourced, or because it was true but forbidden to discuss

SA Mods are not censoring news stories, knock it off.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Cow Bell posted:

Of course not, just the conversations around those news stories.

Sorry that your conversations are easily interpreted as shitposts.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Also laughing that anybody takes the Hunter Biden laptop story seriously.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Ups_rail posted:

Why? Is it so hard to believe that a drug addict forgot a laptop? On the laptop was basically proof of drug use, and corruption?

Then for some reason the media deemed it a non story or a hoax, because it would threaten the election.

And now that Biden is basically failing the very same news people are slowly walking back the "laptop is hoax" story to now saying its real.

Heres the simple truth about Joe Biden.

He has decades of experience in the senate, and 8 years as Vice president.

Normally there are two paths to the white house. you prove yourself as a state governor, (clinton, bush) or you prove yourself in congress (obama).

Hilary Clinton had basically the same double stack being 8 years a first lady and being a congressman.

Such people should know how to work both congress and the executive branch.

Joe should be cleaning up left and right, but he isnt. I would love to know what stopping him.

Its a non-starter for any sort of actual evidence, and its being entirely leaked by a hostile organization with a history of not only lying, but manipulating claims to make them appear worse than they are. The fact that the data was handed off to Rudy Giuliani, also a noted liar, should mean even if the laptop is Hunter's, its all contaminated evidence at this point. Why do you think these braggarts keep trying to pawn it off on the FBI who, even prior to Biden being in office, don't want to touch it with a 100 foot pole?

Also: who the gently caress cares? Surprise, Hunters a corrupt failson that benefitted from his dad's position in life. Like that's the biggest issue affecting us right now? Its such a minor issue in the entire shitstorm that is the US right now.

Willa Rogers posted:

Wait; what? Are you saying that the WaPo made up their 9-months-in-the-making story or did I misinterpret your post or miss some context?

It doesn't matter, and even if it is Hunter's laptop: Its thoroughly contaminated and largely in the hands of people who have in the past repeatedly falsified and modified claims to fit their goals. I'm sure Giuliani, the guy who was openly falsifying voter fraud claims, is totally a trustworthy source to be handling a source of evidence at this point.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Mar 31, 2022

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Harold Fjord posted:

This is great for demonstrating exactly how the ratchet effect works

We had an entire failson party actively siphoning US Federal Funds, I don't give a poo poo what Hunter was doing outside of the Federal Government. Its small potatoes and Hunter is not in a US government position.

Harold Fjord posted:

Now for it to be important or worth talking about it also has to meet the standard of evidence that would be used in court. Fascinating.

If it goes to court and Trump's failsons stunts do not: LMAO we're even more hosed as a country than I thought.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Bishyaler posted:

Weren't you just yelling at people for daring to accuse mods of helping to bury the Hunter laptop story?

No, and I'm giving my opinion, not a mod opinion on it. As someone who worked in Digital Forensics: Everything being released is highly suspect because its being handled by nutcases with a checkered history of falsifying information. Even if its real, its largely poo poo now evidence wise.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Gumball Gumption posted:

I hope the people on my team have a change of heart and stop their corruption but in the end it doesn't really matter.

I hope the people on the other team rot in jail.

I hope they all rot in jail, but thanks for making assumptions about my opinion. But given I believe in Prison Abolition, we'll have to find some other way to punish them.


Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

yes, Joe Manchin's daughter is a laughably corrupt person implicated in a lot of price fixing, Chuck Schumer's daughter has a well-paid sinecure at Facebook, and the entire career of the Trump boys, but they aren't government positions, so there's no point talking about them.

out of sight, out of mind, as Twitter and Facebook were happy to censor this story to guarantee.

Man if we can't handle the poo poo Trump's kids were doing, these guys will never face any sort of punishment. If outright blatant corruption in Federal appointments is not going to be touched, corruption tied to politicians kids is almost entirely out of scope unless some prosecutor has a beef.

I wish it were otherwise.

Lib and let die posted:

But it is still evidence of the corruption rampant with one of our two ruling parties?

Please read this part as well: There is plenty of evidence of corruption within the other ruling party as well, from Trump to Reagan and even further back. This is not something I or any poster in this thread seems to be questioning, and pointing to evidence of corruption within one party should not, under any circumstances, be parsed as an attempt to discredit open corruption within the other ruling party.

Read this part well: Nobody is discrediting corruption and you are making very broad claims in claiming I am doing so
They are all corrupt.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Mar 31, 2022

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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selec posted:

The laptop story is just the narrative, most partisans won’t care, but there will be a slice of “independent” voters, maybe people with a drug conviction or related to someone with one, maybe people who have experience the effects of corruption, that will be turned off by this.

As a vote mover, on its own, it’s not much. It’s a little more powerful as part of a narrative: the president who won’t do poo poo to alleviate the lives of working Americans bends over backwards for his corrupt son. Especially on the drug stuff: Biden is an immense hypocrite there. It’s a handcrafted setup for a Trump stinger: “But he loves his son, too bad he doesn’t love his country. Sad!”

What the laptop will be useful for is setting up a narrative for impeachment that is far more coherent, to the average voter, than what the Dems offered up for Trump. It’ll be very simple: a president covering for his corrupt son. It might not actually rise to the level of impeachability on paper, but who cares? Those rules don’t matter.

I dunno that it will succeed, I just think the odds are extremely likely we’re going to be talking about it for weeks if not months in the not-too-distant future, because as a party the Democrats have collapsed into a rump corporate rent-seeking enterprise.

Again, if that narrative works, but failson Kushner and Trump Jr doesn't: Its just a glowing condemnation of any sort of ability to even begin to handle corruption.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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RBA Starblade posted:

That'd be a good thread - I think even when he misses the mark, like Death Stranding's atomization of society (and to be fair I don't think a lot of people expected half of the US to go all in on anti-vaxxing, anti-masking, and throwing covid parties), you can see where he gets close to it.

We had a game thread for tabletop, could probably do a "Politics in Videogames" thread.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Fister Roboto posted:

I think it would be important to question whether it's a matter of ability or will, ie do the Dems actually want to go after the Trump kids. Obviously I can't see into their hearts and divine their intentions, but I think there's a good case to be made that rich and powerful Dems like Pelosi and Schumer ultimately don't want to put much effort into prosecuting the crimes of other rich and powerful people because they're afraid that they will be investigated for their own corruption in turn.

True, and that's probably a large part of it: If Kushner and Trump Jr are fair game, then their kids/dealings are as well come 2024.

Decorum strikes again.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Nucleic Acids posted:

And now the New York Times admitted it’s real, so the social media gag order has been lifted.

Yeah, but its still in the hands of sources that stink, and other than some pretty sad media like daddy love letters and Hunter's personal dealings with drugs and sex.....what does it actually give us? Corruption? Anybody could've told you that was already happening.

Its still largely in the hands of sketchy sources, sure the laptop is now 'real' but at what point does it matter now?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

is it that hunter biden's laptop was real, that media censored discussion of it, or that you told someone to get out of the country after they pointed to that as evidence it was rotten to the core

Was it censored or was it coming from whackadoos who openly already had shown they were untrustworthy sources of information? Like, how was it actively censored?

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

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Why would a Conservative Tabloid paper have a vested interest in ensuring it was being spread far and wide and would probably be less about the context of the laptop story, and more about how the New York Post, a Murdoch run tabloid, was framing it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post#Hunter_Biden_laptop_story

And was mostly how they attempted to frame it as a conspiracy around Ukraine and Hunter's actions there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory

Its almost like it was less about how factual the laptop story was, but more about how Bannon and Giuliani were pushing it and spinning the story.

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