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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Fritz the Horse posted:

The "don't be boring / repetitive etc" rule is enforced pretty leniently if that's what you're referencing. We're not going to probe people on sight for posting about something that's been discussed at length previously, it's more to head off longer derails. Relitigating the 2020 primaries is a good example. Unless there's some new information or insights posters have to share, it's been covered quite thoroughly on these forums.

2020 primary discussion is not a banned topic. There are no banned topics. Just make sure if you're going to revisit well-trodden subjects that you're contributing something new and encouraging thread discussion.

Anyone is welcome to make new threads, of course, and we can sticky them for a couple weeks if that's helpful. If you want to start a thread retrospectively analyzing the 2020 primaries or whatever, go for it.

(I use the 2020 primaries here because it's a good clear example, not because it's #1 priority for moderation or whatever)

Far be it from me to criticize the mods outside of the next promised feedback thread but it seems like this same kind of policy could be abused to say that discussing Russia/Ukraine tensions isn't new or exciting because Russia has been making nationalist, imperialist claims of ownership of Ukraine since well before, say, the 2020 primaries. Attempting to divorce the material reality of today from historical context seems to me to be a road to ruin and completely bonkers ahistorical takes.

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Discendo Vox posted:

Here's the actual article, once again actually tracking the claim back to its source is more accurate than a mediating gloss.

Even the CNN background source doesn't just say the issue is theft from mailboxes.

When, exactly, is it OK to cite the source rather than a mediator? I seem to remember you spending an awful lot of time breathlessly posting that sources don't matter, only mediators do and writing anyone off trying to go source-direct rather than rely on mediators as being bad faith actors/abusers/trolls.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

There are plenty of good Democrats, this is weird and I don't know why we're buying into the "GE Thread" idea that every Democrat is bad and only Bernie Sanders (or fuckin' 95 year old Mike Gravel or something) was an acceptable candidate.

Ideas for replacing Biden

Senators:
Sherrod Brown
Corey Booker
Chris Murphy
Tammy Duckworth
Mark Kelly
Ed Markey
Liz Warren
Ron Wyden
Patti Murray

Governors:
Gretchen Whitmer
Tom Wolf
Jay Inslee

Cabinet:
Gina Raimondo
Pete Buttigieg

House members:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Karen Bass
Ro Khanna
Adam Schiff
Sean Patrick Maloney
Joaquin Castro

Retired/Inactive:
Al Gore
John Kerry
Julian Castro

There's 23 candidates already who meet the (relatively low) standard of "roughly as good or better than Joe Biden, and better than Kamala Harris or (:rolleyes:) Hillary Clinton."

Every one of these candidates has something you can say to disqualify them, sure, but so did Biden and he won. And a lot of his shortcomings haven't really been an issue in office because the President largely follows the lead of Congress and not the other way around.

e: Also if Biden can run at 80 why not Bernie at 81? "Super old left wing chief executive" worked out okay for California.

Your inclusion of Raimondo on this list is...really something. Nobody gets anywhere in Rhode Island state level politics without the approving nod from the remnants of the Patriarca crime family.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

Fine, then there's 22. I know you have a vendetta (fake e: Italian loan word unintentional) against RI politicians and from what you've said it seems like you have really good reasons for it. I don't even know that much about her, honestly, as I don't follow RI politics, I just know she was governor of a state I visit often and find pleasant enough. gently caress 'er!

poo poo, I didn't think it'd be that easy of a sell. You gotta try the cleah chowdah next time you're in town if you haven't already!


eta for content/new viewers: my aunt is a 20+ year veteran elected democrat in the ri state house of representatives. in her time there she has used her connections to bury a slam-dunk case against her son who failed out of cop school and became a corrections officer at the juvenile facility, raped a 16 year old girl while she was in his care (insomuch as any CO has the best interests of the imprisoned in mind), had the video evidence disappeared, had his disciplinary record sealed, and then went on to vote against a bill that would protect abortion rights on a state level months after pressuring her (now ex-) daughter-in-law into aborting her child because it early testing showed it would have downs' syndrome - let me repeat that - an elected democrat, descended from the patriarca crime family name coerced her daughter in law to do a eugenics and then voted to weaken abortion protections in her state

so long as the smallest town in the smallest state retains an accepted and beloved member of the democrat party with such a horrendously disgusting set of moral stains on her character, not a single upstream democrat will ever have my support because the fish rots from the head down.

Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 21, 2022

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

Oh God I hate that poo poo, although I still prefer it to "Manhattan chowder" (the tomato juice kind). Creamy New England or :getout:!

(I mean of course it's fine if you're into it but there's no selling me on that stuff. :))

Don't get it somewhere bourgie like Providence, you gotta go down into Richmond or Narragansett (not the touristy parts) to get the real good clear chowder where they make it the same way the tribe did back before we did a genocide on them.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

I'll consider it, most of my exposure is in Westerly (which is also very touristy, of course) or homemade versions from CT (very popular at town fairs in the eastern half) which I'm sure aren't the gold standard but have been made with plenty of love and attention.

Sometimes I go to a chowder competition in Mystic, CT and almost every year the Westerly High School culinary club wins... with a creamy recipe. :smug:

Creamy does in fact own, but me being the walking, talking sterotype I am (reference) I can't deny the superiority of a thin broth for busting open a clam cake, dipping it in the chowder, and letting the warm, fluffy dough suck up a bunch of broth

anyway uh, dems bad I guess, sorry for the chowder derail

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Gumball Gumption posted:

As a New Englander I can confirm Rhode Island is very corrupt, famously so. I wouldn't trust any politicians from there.

As awful as it looks from the outside, I cannot effectively communicate to you in words the level of depravity they reveal and, in fact, revel in, when they think they're in a safe place with their family and can drop the mask. Things like...leaving her 60-something year old late-stage Parkinson's-affected husband in the care of her 90 year old, hard-of-hearing mother while she herself was sitting in the fanciest loving hospital room at miriam loving baptist hospital getting the 5 loving star local loving celebrity treatment because she had a facelift go sideways and get infected while she left two elderly citizens, who EACH need their own personal care professional...in the care of each other at home.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Hope that table wasn't too badly damaged.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

VitalSigns posted:

Is there some reason you cut off half that sentence and then edited the introductory clause to conceal this and make it seem like a complete thought making the opposite point?



Are these the debate standards of D&D now

Kojima/the Colonel's AI was right.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon, people in the US are starving and desperate for food: https://www.savethechildren.org/us/...going%20hungry.


quote:

Since March 2020, food insecurity rates across the nation for families with children have risen by nearly two-thirds. Close to 1 in 5 U.S. families reported in December that they did not have enough food. Black and Hispanic children have been disproportionately impacted — they are twice as likely as white children to face hunger in America.

Sadly, today, the U.S. continues to lag behind most peer countries in meeting the needs of children and families during the pandemic. In Save the Children’s recent report, Childhood in the Time of COVID*, we examine the multiple hardships, including hunger, that are making it more difficult for children to reach their full potential. Simply put, going back to “normal” will not be enough for these kids.

You couldn't have picked a worse comparison if you tried.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

If companies like Apple have no problem "soft sanctioning" Russia in a way that actually hurts the average Russian worker that has less power over their government than we do here in the US more than they hurt that maligned government itself, they should be willing to do the same in Texas and Florida until the trans panic and don't say gay bills are overturned.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

If I was a pedophile and was worried my children would find my stash of kiddie porn, I would burn my kiddie porn and then [CONTENT REDACTED] to protect all children.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

punk rebel ecks posted:

Why do people here hate Lee Carter now? Why is he an “rear end in a top hat”?

Yeah same here. Knowing they did a minimum wage increase sounds significant to me.

He did an anti :decorum: by forcing the state congress to vote on a bill for medicare for all, or maybe it was a minimum wage bill, either way, it was a wildly popular "left" thing that he forced a vote on, before other bills that had been stalled in the state house for years.

That's it. That's the controversy.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

FlamingLiberal posted:

Somehow Kissinger still lives

And Albright's soul still lingers on inside of him, its fading embers providing sustenance to The Eldritch One

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

NutShellBill posted:

So, just curious...
If we're comparing the number of Ukrainian Nazis to American White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis and Trumpists; can we take your post to mean that you approve of an American invasion, by Putin?

Putin, Xi, I don't give a gently caress at this point. Yes, final answer, Regis.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Civilized Fishbot posted:

I don't think America would benefit from being invaded by a right-wing oil billionaire.

We're already run by right-wing oil billionaires.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Civilized Fishbot posted:

That's true enough! How would we benefit from being invaded by a new one?

Democrats and Republicans alike as we know them today would cease to exist entirely. I'd say that's a pretty drat good start.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

RBA Starblade posted:

That's certainly true in one context if Russia were to invade America

Don't care who it is. Let Canada or Mexico, or hell, the asshokes in England come and take us over. Our leadership is simultaneously asleep at the wheel, while ramming lines off the 8-track catching air on hills, blasting metallica, and has a trunk full of C4 on a hair loving trigger.

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

RBA Starblade posted:

That sounds pretty badass ngl

I'd be willing to accept an ascendency of Dr Rockso to the halls of power, instead of a foreign mercy invasion.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Just in time for 4/20 month, Congress is doing a weed week today and next week.

- They are voting on a bipartisan banking reform bill to allow banks to do business with legal marijuana retailers without violating money laundering laws.
- They are voting on a legalization bill that is expected to fail to overcome the filibuster as well.

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1507085315953078273

What's wild is that the cannabis industry has already adapted to unfavorable banking conditions. CanPay and other 3rd party payer services exist. It's almost like they waited until a boutique industry serving cannabis companies was allowed to flourish just for the sake of creating a new, bullshit industry out of whole cloth.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Payroll and taxes are still a nightmare for dispensaries.

I don't know how much of a pain the retail payment aspect is right now, but it used to be bad.

I just walk into the dispensary and pay with my debit card. :shrug:

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I meant on the business end in terms of paying/calculating the excise and sales tax and keeping sales records. For a while, they had to do it by hand because they didn't have access to business checking accounts and were operating primarily in cash (which also made them a huge target for crime).

My heart bleeds for them. Meanwhile registered medical marijuana patients can't grow their own because that would interfere with profits.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He supports the medical research bill that passed and the banking reform bill.

He said he would sign a bill that provided full federal decriminalization, but does not support federal legalization.

I'm probably courting the lines of "bring an original topic to discuss" with this one, but do we really want to start down the rabbit hole of what Biden said vs what he's delivered again?

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

I hope he at least did the gentlemanly thing and offered his wife first crack at Rock's face.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The LAPD says they won't be charging Smith with assault because Chris Rock declined to file a police report and "lack of evidence/victim cooperation." Even though it was broadcast on live TV and you don't need the victim to file a police report to charge someone with a crime.

If Rock doesn't really care, then whatever (although I assume there is strong social pressure on him to not do anything and say it is fine), but just lol that the LAPD are apparently powerless to make a case with video evidence of the incident and the person who did the assault later admitted to it on live TV, because they didn't get a police report that night.

I can't think of any reason why someone like Chris Rock would decline to engage with the LAPD. Weird!

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

BiggerBoat posted:

I gotta admit that for a while I found myself wondering what the perception would be if, instead of Chris Rock, the slappee was...oh....let's say Ben Stiller or Wil Farrell. Trying to think of a relatively well liked white comedian actor. A part of me thinks the narrative might have been a little different if you know what I'm saying.

E:

Also reading that Manchin stock poo poo and remain baffled why members of congress aren't forced to divest while they're in office. Well, not baffled so much as irritated and mad.

I can already hear the terrible right-wing jokes writing themselves. "You can dress those [redacted]s up in a nice suit but under that tux there's still a [redacted]!!"

On a human side though If someone came for my wife over some medical poo poo she couldn't control, the only reason I wouldn't be trying to lay hand to face is because I'd be about 3 steps behind my wife, she don't take no poo poo like that. I think a lot of folks are trying to ascribe rational analysis to human emotion, which is...ya know...not rational.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

I've had complete strangers mock me and take pictures/videos of me to, I presume, post and laugh about on social media because I walk my dog using a harness that attaches her to me at my waist. On the part that goes around my waist is essentially a fanny pack - it contains a card with my wife's phone number, my primary care physician's office number, and a note saying that I suffer from epilepsy and what to do if someone finds me in crisis. You don't know what people are going through, so maybe don't run your loving mouth about the bald lady or the fat guy with a fanny pack because you think it's OK to tear down someone's appearance that way.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Why doesn't everyone just vote all at once?

As a classic sufferer from overengineering complex solutions for benign problems, I'm really not sure what the advantage of this staggered system gives other than an uncharitable reading of "to force a narrower consensus at later stages of the primary process"

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Strongly advantages the person with the most money and/or pre-existing national name recognition.

I'm not sure I follow - though my idealized system would probably take actions like removing debate "ownership" away from profit-incentivized entities like CNN/FOX and into the hands of more reputable orgs like LWV as well, so the media landscape around them would largely be entirely different.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Because they might not vote for who they're supposed to. You've got to give them time for the media blitz to take effect to shut out anyone remotely progressive. After all, the Democratic party doesn't want to have to do a full Corbyn self-destruction unless they really have to.

That's the conclusion I'm hoping someone can dissuade me from.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Having an initial primary in a small state allows for media and organization from smaller campaigns or less funded campaigns.

Pat Buchanan, Rick Santorum/Mike Huckabee, Bernie Sanders (2016), Tom Harkin, Barack Obama, and John Kerry all won Iowa, but would have likely lost a national election pretty badly. They didn't have the money or capacity for a national campaign and didn't have enough national name recognition (especially against a sitting VP, Hillary Clinton, national figure like John McCain, etc.) to get a majority of votes based on familiarity.

Hosting small in-person events in cheap media markets and a campaign that doesn't require frequent travel across the country allows for smaller, but well organized, campaigns to compete in a way they couldn't if everyone just voted at once.

But is that worth the run-off effect of say, Candidate X's supporter in Boston not being allowed to vote for Candidate X when it's their turn because voters in Florida decided for them, before them?

BiggerBoat posted:

Job hours, tending to kids, doctor appointments, transportation problems, long lines and fewer polling stations in lower income neighborhoods. Were you being sarcastic or do you seriously not get why we do VBM, early voting and generally try to make the process easier?

I tend to lump "the election that occurs in the second week of November each cycle" to count as "at once" across all various forms of participating in that election - mail-in, absentee, in-person on the day of, whatever, it's all in the same basket rhetorically. Also ED should be a federal holiday.

In the General, Iowa doesn't vote to determine who the voters in California can vote for next week, and then the voters in Alabama the week after that, etc etc - it's all counted in the aggregate.

Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Mar 29, 2022

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Velocity Raptor posted:

Holy poo poo did I witness this personally with the 2020 election. I was a Bernie supporter, but I live in RI, which was one of the later states to vote. Then super Tuesday happened and then Bernie dropped out. I don't even recall if RI even voted in the primary since by then afiak, Biden was the only candidate left for the Ds.

Yeah but at least you got to drown your sorrows in cawfee milk and gaggahs

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

:rolleyes: okay

"Tens of millions" in a $4 trillion budget rounds down rather emphatically to "zero"

And .06% of 4,000,000,000,000 is still more than I'm gonna see in medical debt relief from the federal government.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

Well yeah you're one person, the government forgives much more than $34 million in medical debt each year through a weird process you may have heard of called "bankruptcy" (not to mention that it is the primary source of healthcare funds for about 30-40% of the population through the VA, Medicare and Medicaid).

Also it's 0.06% of sixty billion, the SNAP budget, which itself is 1.5% of the federal budget.

0.06% of 1.5% is 0.0009% of the federal budget.

oh yeah, what a great system we have here, (further) gently caress my home-buying ability for decades with bankruptcy because the government would rather give military grade response equipment to nazis (ICE and US pigs, not talking about ukraine) than help people eat or get medical treatment

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

In the budget they are discussing, they are spending 2,390% more on SNAP and food aid than on ICE and 14,814,714% more on healthcare than all police and ICE spending combined.

Let me make this easy for you: anything short of full forbearance and a move to a government-run system is not going to pass muster, for me, personally. Band-aids on bullet wounds.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Mellow Seas posted:

Honest answer: If you have a problem with appropriating $34 million to prosecute an attempted coup then you are making your determinations out of something besides rational thought; perhaps a compulsion to find fault with every decision every made by a certain political party.

I just don't understand how any of that helps the average american citizen get out from under the crushing heel of "debt as a part of american culture." to be completely honest, I don't give a gently caress if liberal democracy lives or dies if I and everyone I know is going to spend whatever comes next living in debt slavery.

once they lock up Trump, are they gonna forgive all student loan debt?

once they lock up Trump, are they gonna go after health insurance administrators for crimes against humanity writ large?

once they lock up Trump are they gonna funnel money into public housing?

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Cranappleberry posted:

tangential but this reminded me of something- remember when companies and such threatened to pull out of NC en masse when there was anti-lgbtq+ legislation?

That isn't happening in Florida or any other state that is passing such laws or implementing policy. Same with anti-choice/abortion laws.

Disney still funds candidates that support and even sponsor the legislation in Florida.

Cynical take, but, they don't have to. The "corporate boycott" re: Russia is way more popular. Though it's fun to imagine the immediate and meteoric impact something like cutting off Apple Pay in Florida or Texas would make.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Cranappleberry posted:

It's more evidence that their "wokeness" is performative. They'll do whatever they think will get them more money. If that's being publicly silent as people are harmed, then that's what they'll do. If that's supporting politicians that are disgusting but give them tax breaks then that's what they'll do.

Money talks in either direction.

I wish there were better terms than "wokeness" and "virtue signaling", but "branding" and "advertising" just lack a certain...oomph that those words carry.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The Franchise Wars of 2032 predicted in Demolition Man are getting closer and closer to reality.

Buddy, I still take cheap swipes at people I know that use Apple products.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

FlamingLiberal posted:

DeSantis probably wins re-election by more than 5 points this year

The Dems are running reheated candidates against him and the Dem base here in FL is eroding rapidly

I remember seeing broward county pigs deploy smoke canisters against anti-police protesters in fort lauderdale, and now the democrats keep begging me to help val demmings, a cop, get elected.

"No more cops" turned into "No, more cops!" real fuckin' fast. I want nothing to do with that party.

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Bishyaler posted:

No effect on our lives, just a constant reminder that the elites in this country engage in every vice they wag their fingers at us for, and that the justice system exists to punish the working class, not them.

Yeah, for me at the very least, there's a deep and profound resonation of "what the gently caress why are any of the people that associated with and enabled this blatant, open corruption and protectionism not locked up" and it stinks of the democrat party's complete and total corruption from the head down. I watched in horror as my aunt, the elected democrat state representative for rhode island's 27th district use her office to shield her pedophile, rapist son from any disciplinary action, and work to preserve his pension and seal any disciplinary records pertaining to him raping a 16 year old inmate - one of the smallest districts, in the smallest state, with the smallest stakes is engaging in the same kind of protectionism that's being done in the highest halls of government power, and you expect people to just see this system functioning in this way and...what...take our soma? Go play a round of centrifugal bumblepuppy? Have an orgie porgie?

There is a real, and damning consequence of normalizing corruption of the elites, and it manifests in the psyche of the average citizen that has to watch the powerful play by their own loving rules, and get away with poo poo that would absolutely ruin any one of us.

I couldn't get a job painting fire hydrants for the town of west warwick because I'd fail a drug test for weed - yet the rapist, pedophile, cocaine-addicted son of a well-liked politician got and maintains that job to this very day because of backdoor deals to squash his crimes to protect the image of a politician.

Senator Armstrong was right: America is diseased, rotten to the core, and there's no saving it.

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