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Mar 21, 2006

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Edward Mass posted:

:sigh: Why don't people read the OP?

in a thread this big you gotta just hop in at the end and figure it out as you go

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Mar 21, 2006

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Madurai posted:

As is the entire Space Hotel concept for at least a generation, unless there's some truly breathtaking spin control.

I think the hotel has already proven they're very bad at spin control

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Mar 21, 2006

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the best title for an incest porn james bond parody

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Mar 21, 2006

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Jet Jaguar posted:

They introduced a bunch of astronauts last season, and brought zero of them back this season.

Must focus more on Ed. Always Ed! When Ed is not on screen, all the characters should be asking, "Where's Ed?"

could we rastafy him 10%?

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Mar 21, 2006

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The Helios ship goes back and rescues everyone but is unable to get any fuel or supplies and they have to take a long and hungry trip back to earth without touching Mars.

Then the North Koreans land their little probe and to the shock of the world someone climbs out of it and plants a North Korean flag and falls over dead.

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Mar 21, 2006

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nexus6 posted:

I was hoping they'd incorporate the communications delay, but how did NASA

a) have a real time feed of what the Russian ship's engine temperature was and
b) have no delay in seeing that but a 5 minute delay in radio comms

or am I misreading the scene and that temperature readout was on a 5 minute delay too so by the time NASA saw it was an issue it would have already been too late?

absolutely nothing indicated they were getting the russian engine temperature faster than light, did a character need to mention the 5 minute delay in regards to every individual thing?

"The Russian engines started overheating 5 minutes ago!"
"Why didn't you tell me 5 minutes ago!?"
"Due to the 5 minute delay we just found out."

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Mar 21, 2006

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I guess SNL doesn't want americans to see this

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Mar 21, 2006

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Grand Fromage posted:

Despite the early success the Soviet space program was well behind NASA by the mid 60s and never caught up again, there was basically zero chance of them making it to the moon at all, let alone first. The fact that they pulled it off in this universe was likely a lot of luck and a big risk, but they managed.

the actual change to the timeline isn't the soviets beating us to the moon, it's korolev not dying a few years earlier

losing the genius behind their program was a major blow to the russians

I don't know enough about the history to say whether it's actually believable that with him in place they had a shot at beating us, but that is the show's position

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Mar 21, 2006

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Hyrax Attack! posted:

Lol like that Red Dawn remake with Chris Hemsworth slumming it that was obviously supposed to be China but had an awkward switch to NK despite that making no sense. Although it did show a Subway restaurant operating normally in Spokane post-invasion so that was fun.

a movie that was actually, from the beginning, made to be about north korea attempting to invade the US could be amazing

would probably have to be a comedy though

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Mar 21, 2006

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Comrade Fakename posted:

Kind of weird that all the screens in the alterna-90s are 16:9 flatscreens, but all the news footage we see is 4:3.

Format changes are slow, it makes sense for everything to be 4:3.

In the real world HDTV was introduced to the US in 1998 but the first local news program to broadcast in HD didn't happen until 2006. CNN didn't broadcast in HD until 2007.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Spacebump posted:

The show is optimistic but bad things still happen to main characters. I'd be shocked if Margo gets through the season without getting caught.

I won't be surprised if she gets caught or turns herself in as part of her plan to save her dude and his family but I'm hopeful that it turns out positively somehow

the fact that the US benefited heavily from the arrangement might make a difference, maybe it leads to an actual formalized agreement for greater international cooperation and sharing of technology and resources?

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Mar 21, 2006

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Marsupial Ape posted:

It’d be a little too Tom Clancy for Margo to turn out to be an unwitting double agent, feeding the Russians bad intel. That’d wrap it up, but that isn’t the tone of this show.

also we already know why the engine blew up

everybody saw them pushing things too hard and guessed how it would end, so having the CIA be like "that was us :smuggo:" would be really dumb

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Mar 21, 2006

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ShowTime posted:

I can definitely see this happening. I can't imagine Ed Baldwin fits into the 2000 era as an astronaut, he's what, in his 50's in this era? They aren't gonna send a 60yr old diabetic to live on Mars or whatever. Joel Kinnaman is probably ready to move on to.

Ed is gonna make it back to earth a hero and become president. From 1994 on every president will be a former astronaut.



I don't actually think this is going to happen but I'd laugh.

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Mar 21, 2006

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BetterLekNextTime posted:

Is Ellen in her first or second term? I forget. I could kind of imagine her secret coming out and her current bible thumper leaving the ticket and hero Ed fresh back from Mars (or maybe still long-distance) being the Hail Mary choice to keep her in office. President Ed would be kind of boring but President Ed being still on Mars if Ellen has to leave office would be kind of hilarious.

VP Ed is a funny idea but I don't know if he could handle being so powerless. I'm just imagining him in Veep episodes instead of Julia Louis Dreyfus and laughing.

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Mar 21, 2006

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ShowTime posted:

Pretty sure Ellen is in her 1st term, but elections are coming up. It would have been a what, 92-96 and a 96-00 term? The pushed the launch date up to 96 and we are starting to hear about the reelection. I can't imagine how Ellen's secret would get out and how Ed would make it back in time to make it onto the ticket. But if the dates are a little off, it could certainly be a possibility.

There's no rule against campaigning from Mars. :v:

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Mar 21, 2006

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Instead of a cum stained dress the impeachment trial will center around an audio recording of butt loving.

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Mar 21, 2006

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That whole time I was hoping that Ellen would say "gently caress that" and take inspiration from a kid who took a huge chance to move things forward when he had the ears of the world.

Who cares about being a one term president? Do some good, maybe come out yourself.

I guess there is some bitter irony in her choosing the middle path and then immediately getting outed.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Cojawfee posted:

Oh poo poo, because there was no watergate right? No one in public learned about the tapes in the oval office so they are probably still recording.

They made sure to show some shots of microphones in the oval office earlier in the season, it's definitely why that dude was specifically pressing him about whether they had sex there.

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Mar 21, 2006

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blue squares posted:

Clearly you have no understanding of politicians

Yeah I loving hated the politics in this. The most purestrained lib poo poo. If you’re pissing off both sides that means you’re being the adult in the room! And the musical cue indicating this was some great moment.

Honestly though she is a Republican, so under that lens the idea she went for the middle position is actually hopelessly optimistic.

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Mar 21, 2006

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jamoncorona posted:

There were also bottles of shiner Bock because Texas.

shiner bock is good

I should try to see if it's even possible to buy in my state, haven't had it in forever

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Mar 21, 2006

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Sivart13 posted:

watching a bunch of martians go hard on the vodka in a cramped space made me anxious. I don't know what space party culture is like but if I had been without liquor for a month or more one shot is fine thanks

I was thinking about how much water you need to drink when you're slamming back liquor :ohdear:

bad idea to get drunk when you have tight water rations, they're gonna be so loving hungover

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Mar 21, 2006

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Rappaport posted:

The age thing is a problem moving forward (go go cyborg Ed!!!), but season 2 had a lot of plot lines around the mid-late episodes and it wasn't until the finale that the plot lines not only met each other but were also resolved. Or in the case of Margo left as a teaser for season 3, but either way.

NASA discovers the secret to youthful rejuvenation as part of research meant to make astronauts more resistant to damage from cosmic radiation and low gravity, all the old people go back to season 1 appearances :v:

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Mar 21, 2006

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Cojawfee posted:

Except all this show does is praise centrist policies. I have to assume it is written by enlightened centrists. Look at all the "progressive" policies that have happened in the show. They are progressive for the time, but accepted norms for modern centrists. We haven't seen them push the bounds of what a mainstream Democrat would accept today. The Republican president is a secret gay woman, the ultimate compromise acceptable by modern centrists. Literally everything in this show is "look at how great 2022 centrism is." They probably put that swelling music in because they were patting themselves on the back for being so centrist that they reinvented don't ask don't tell, the most enlightened centrist policy of the 90s.

ehhh, I'm gonna give them the benefit of a doubt that we eventually get to fully automated luxury gay space communism for all

they're going for some level of believability so the fact that they have pushed it towards the left but not all the way already is understandable

we'll see where it goes over the next couple seasons

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Mar 21, 2006

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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

For those of you missing Gordo this season you really owe it to yourself to catch Patriot if you haven't yet. Imagine a spy thriller except everyone is very open and honest with each other about their thoughts and feelings.

If you liked Patriot you should watch Perpetual Grace, LTD, it's like an even more unhinged Patriot (same creator).

It's a shame it's only one season but it's still worth watching.

Someday Steven Conrad will create a show with a good title that's on a network that actually promotes it and everyone will realize they've been missing out on a genius.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Wafflecopper posted:

I'd imagine space food is like airline food but worse, so everyone's would be terrible

It looked like Helios had some pretty good poo poo.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Marsupial Ape posted:

I have no idea what they will be doing next season, but if they plan to do another time jump it's going to go from alt-history sci-fi to straight up near-future sc-fi. That mean's things can get more...speculative. My lovely Narrative Brain thinks that since we're basically introduced to Chekhov's Space Baby (space fuckin'!), I think a portion of the remaining the season may deal with the ethical and practical implications on conceiving a child on Mars and then bringing it to full term. That's a lot cosmic radiation and microgravity for a fetus to deal with. I could even see it being a set up a story arc concerning the debate about altering humans for space travel in stead of terraforming or investing in complicated toroidal ships. Ed gets inject with medical nanites and Joel Kinnaman doesn't have to wear old man make up anymore.

It's true, Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Marsupial Ape posted:

Being that he has full control of the Phoenix, Ed announces that they will be heading back to Earth today.

I don't think this would be possible without incredibly serendipitous timing. I think there are only certain windows when it works out right with the orbital mechanics.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Rental Sting posted:

As a literal biologist, you would think that the character of Kelly would know better than to conceive a child on Mars. FAM astronauts are so much more unpredictable and spontaneous than real-life astronauts. I guess you need that to make a compelling drama.

I mean... we get to see a lot more of what's actually happening because it's a show. To regular people on earth in the show they probably don't seem much different to how we perceive astronauts.

Also... Lisa Nowak.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Grand Fromage posted:

Drill a hole and be the first to gently caress another planet.

Dalton Wilcox, poet laureate of Mars

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Mar 21, 2006

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TIP posted:

Dalton Wilcox, poet laureate of Mars

I just remembered that Helios wanted to send a poet but Ed nixed it. There's still time for a stowaway Andy Daly to fall out of an air vent, put a cowboy hat on over his space suit, and gently caress that hole Danny drilled.

Would be a good moment to end the season on.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Marsupial Ape posted:

You mean my years of intense physical conditioning was for nothing?

I bet the ISS is just like the olympics, a bunch of fit highly trained people loving like monkeys at every opportunity while the people in charge do their best to discourage it and keep it under wraps

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Mar 21, 2006

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The accident at the beginning of the season should have centered around a swingers convention that rented out the entire space hotel.

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Mar 21, 2006

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Hilarious that Ed is like, "I know you're all methed up! I can see it! You get one more chance! And no I'm not gonna ask for the drugs back or search you or search this tiny habitat for your stash. My dadly authority should be enough to make you quit this extremely addictive drug cold turkey! Well that should take care of that."

Hard to believe no one on the crew called bullshit.

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Mar 21, 2006

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"You think I haven't seen a writer on 'go pills' before? You're a loving mess. And now you're stomping on my show." - RDM to Nichole Beattie

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Mar 21, 2006

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Unkempt posted:

Well I'm a bad TV watcher because I missed this: what exactly is the problem with the statue? Those guys think there was some sort of coverup of the reactor problem in some way? Do they think the whole thing was fake?

That's basically the entire plot with his friends, they're conspiracy theorists who think the whole thing is a cover up (and it kinda was, since NASA doesn't want to admit there was a second reactor for making nuclear weapons material on the moon or some poo poo).

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Mar 21, 2006

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blue squares posted:

also who the gently caress calls sedatives "go pills." Wouldn't that be some kind of amphetamines?

You have answered your own question, Danny is taking amphetamines.

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Mar 21, 2006

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blue squares posted:

Oh I thought he was only taking oxy

Honestly the pill stealing scene was a little unclear to me too and I couldn't make out the labels.

There was one part where it looked like a display on the case was showing that pills had been taken, like it has a weight sensor or something, and he looked at it and then opened the case again and started loving with more pills and for a second I thought he was swapping some tylenol or something into the bottles to cover his tracks but then he just started filling his pockets.

What was with the display? Are they monitoring pills being removed or not? Seems like if they are and a bunch of controlled substances go missing it would alert the captain or something.

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Panic! At The Tesco posted:

Also who the gently caress designed the space drill where the only control to stop the pressure from overloading it or whatever has to be done remotely? Especially when Ed is literally playing with some kind of throttle at the drill site. They should have put the "do not explode" button on there as well.

I guess Ben Affleck was wrong and Michael Bay was right, they should have brought drillers instead of astronauts.

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Mar 21, 2006

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tokin opposition posted:

she's gonna get nixon'd with a tape of larry going to bone town

Yeah, but proving that her husband is gay and lied about it doesn't actually put her in much peril. And based on her reaction to Larry lying about it I doubt they're going to be able to Clinton her by getting her to lie under oath about it.

I wonder if someone is going to get the tapes of the sex and also them discussing the fact that she's gay and try to blackmail her into stepping down. Maybe some conservatives who would prefer the VP as president?

Based on the last episode I'm guessing she would then surprise them by coming out publicly. And then the VP would resign in a fit of gay panic. :lmao:

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Mar 21, 2006

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boquiabierta posted:

Thanks for posting this, super interesting read. I would love to see a show about this for the visuals alone. Can't picture what those floating aerostats would look like.

this is NASA concept art for it



from here:
https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/

they also have a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az7DEwG68A

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