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IT BURNS posted:It's the American way of life; sheer outrage at anything that causes you a minor inconvenience. a) Happy to have the day off. b) Pissed that their employer is not giving them the day off.
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https://twitter.com/shaneharris/status/1540035794160730113 If you or a family member has been exposed to communist death rays, you may be entitled to compensation.
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Jun 23, 2022 22:17
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Automata 10 Pack posted:indeed, i think a big critical flaw we had was underestimating the republicans.
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Jun 24, 2022 23:13
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https://twitter.com/GravelInstitute/status/1540347369111392256 The first instinct of Pelosi is to send out fundraiser emails asking for $15. They can't keep pulling this schtick forever and expect people to 
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Jun 24, 2022 23:56
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Tbf the system absolutely does work. The system we're living in is working incredibly well today. It's just not actually a system for things like enacting popular opinion or protecting human rights, unfortunately https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does Many people ITT would do well to get a brief familiarity with systems thinking, or even (horror horrors) materialist analysis. As I said earlier, liberal ideology abstracts very real human motivations and power dynamics to the point where they aren't even there, and just become subsumed under an assumption that all participants follow certain norms and rules - and this provides cover for their own ineffectiveness. Fascism does not do this: as an ideology, it is keenly aware of power, and driven by it.
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Jun 25, 2022 00:39
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Main Paineframe posted:I thought I was fairly clear in my statement that passing laws against abortion bans wasn't seen as a particularly pressing matter when it was already legal to ban abortion. It's not like this is unique to the Dems, either. Leftist politicians like Bernie Sanders weren't exactly making codifying Roe their top priority; hell, they hardly mentioned it until Trump put a conservative majority on the Supreme Court.
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Jun 25, 2022 01:20
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Flying-PCP posted:"Leaders of 400 million people" isn't a tenable concept, and isn't a job that should exist in the first place.
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Jun 25, 2022 02:53
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Flying-PCP posted:I mean they're especially bad at what they're supposed to be doing, I'm just not convinced it's a job that any human being could actually be qualified for.
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Jun 25, 2022 03:02
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Twincityhacker posted:This is flat out "lay down and rot" talk. gently caress that, a better world is possible.
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Jun 25, 2022 03:14
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shades of eternity posted:if we don't put the effort in, the next election won't matter.
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Jun 25, 2022 15:41
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shades of eternity posted:So your going to play sad songs about the death of kings while you are goose stepped in submission? You may want to read up on the history of the Weimar Republic to see how a similar situation played out in the past.
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Jun 25, 2022 15:46
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Twincityhacker posted:...people do realize here that electoral politics is the lovely alterntive to "lots of people being imprisoned and/or shot" right? shades of eternity posted:apparently, they haven't.  button, much like the Dems do today.
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Jun 25, 2022 15:49
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:bad news, too late. your metaphorical fighting has resulted in you far more materially supporting concentration camps for Mexican children, bodily dragged into cages by gun-toting officials of a democratic government.
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Jun 25, 2022 16:08
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Bar Ran Dun posted:“Ain’t got it in them” the parents of the WWII generation talking about their children in “And keep your powder dry”
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Jun 25, 2022 16:31
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https://twitter.com/joeyneverjoe/status/1540853685277691904 This is a great example of why people are disillusioned with Dems. They have been tripping over themselves to fund the fascist goons more and more. I think I can say at this point that I will not vote in 2022. It's not the lesser of two evils, because electoralism in this sham democracy sucks out space from other mass political alternatives. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 26, 2022 15:33
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CommieGIR posted:You were never going to vote in the first place, Cat Botherer.
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Jun 26, 2022 15:46
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CommieGIR posted:As of Jan 11th 2022, Cat Botherer already stated they had no intentions of voting in another American Election. e: The issue is that every vote is a vote for the system. It's what the GOP wants and what the Dems want. Revolutionary movements are all anti-electoral for a reason. Besides, democracy is essentially toast at this point. The GOP has won this system, and the Dems are a mildly unwilling but controlled opposition party. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jun 26, 2022 |
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Jun 26, 2022 15:51
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CommieGIR posted:I'm sure the minority party thanks you. And not to give the Dems any credit, they deserve none, but given that electoralism will remain how the GOP continues to build power until they strip away our right to vote: I don't see you have any alternative than supporting the lovely party.
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Jun 26, 2022 15:58
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CommieGIR posted:I'd argue you also did the same thing and are unwilling to acknowledge that its fairly effortless to vote AND also prepare for a revolution. If you are unwilling to take 10 minutes to go do something that simple, how exactly do you plan to put the effort into a major reovlution? Or even plan for a post-revolutionary society?
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Jun 26, 2022 16:16
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To be clear, I am not a current revolutionary, and I don’t think revolution/balkanization is possible yet. But things are changing faster than I thought possible 2 years ago. We are in the decaying garbage period of poo poo common to all late empires. You never pull out of the decline at this stage. It will fall. I don’t know what will happen, but the current system is disastrous to the future of advanced civilization and I don’t want to prolong it.
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Jun 26, 2022 16:27
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Ravenfood posted:Of the people who dont vote, I feel like the vast majority do not from a combination of apathy and institutional roadblocks and a very small percentage of them do not from some kind of principled desire to avoid supporting a system they feel is unjust. The latter group may not vote and participate in a revolution. I feel, without data, that a person who is too apathetic to vote or too burdened by institutional roadblocks is unlikely to join a revolution, especially at the outset. Some might, but it feels like a very small number. At times like this, the priors of our American experience and upbringing become inaccurate, and its more important to look at history for examples.
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Jun 26, 2022 16:33
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Madkal posted:Well you see both sides are fascists so that is why there is no difference between AOC and Cruz. I don't know why no one outside of a dead forum will talk to me.
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Jun 26, 2022 16:50
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speng31b posted:This only makes sense if you genuinely believe Democrats are significantly less fascist. If you take their agenda at face value of course they are, but that's not the lived experience of many Americans.
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Jun 26, 2022 17:42
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ozmunkeh posted:To be fair those are less "big political thoughts" and more "old white woman thoughts".
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Jun 27, 2022 15:00
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Kalit posted:....how is that different than any other [more than one term] ex-politician? Politicians and ex-politicians in our country get listened to/reported on more than random people, I don't see how this specific instance is "mystifying"... e: DarkCrawler posted:What people? Literally nobody gives a poo poo about Hillary than rich people who just want to say they met her because she is famous, conservatives who think she's the devil and leftists who think she's the devil and none of those take her political opinions seriously. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jun 27, 2022 |
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Jun 27, 2022 15:13
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DarkCrawler posted:They love her because she's great at turning out money and they're interested in making money.(seeing as they are lobbyists and consultants) not because they see her as an amazing visionary.
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Jun 27, 2022 15:27
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Rigel posted:I came up with two possible interpretations, both of them bad. Either "eh no reason to go through a lot of work and effort on this because if we win a resounding victory then we just vote our rights back into place in congress." Or possibly, "uhhh, lets calm down the rhetoric about Biden taking bold action, that might hurt some Senate races. We'll do stuff later, trust me". Even if either explanation is true, you don't loving say that out loud where people can write it down and report it.
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Jun 27, 2022 22:40
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Yeah, screw those dumb hick losers who weren't born in the right place. Good thing they are all chuds and never have LGBT kids or daughters who need abortions.
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Jun 28, 2022 14:00
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DarkCrawler posted:Again, stop letting the minority make decisions for the majority, maybe those kids could move. Go to free university. Democrats, the left, whoever. Start campaigning on something else than bringing the country together when a good 30-40 percent wants the rest of the country to suffer.
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Jun 28, 2022 14:35
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DarkCrawler posted:And again, unless you can point out why someone is "ignorant" beyond being foreign, you're just using the same excuse as a Trump supporter.  Try replacing "foreign" with "from Arkansas" and see how that sounds. quote:Something the majority of Americans seem to want. Maybe if they could actually decide without what is an obvious tyranny of minority.
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Jun 28, 2022 14:57
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DarkCrawler posted:No?
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DarkCrawler posted:If I quote the original argument to "nerf" the original argument, maybe people didn't read the original argument?
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:Whatever happened to Huey Long anyway?
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Jun 29, 2022 16:10
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The part where you actually seize power, like what trump tried, and failed at. Then you have to hold onto power during the constitutional crisis and during whatever unrest is ongoing and that doesn't even get into the wildcard of american security institutions which are generally invested in elections mattering. Past a certain point it's all clancychat, but yes they have by far the hardest part still ahead of them No empire ever pulls out of these terminal declines.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Again, they have not accomplished it yet. e: But this is exactly what I was talking about. The Western empire was slowly cored out by internal discord and the settling and military use of barbarian foederati. Slowly, they became more powerful, and their interests wound up aligning with major land magnates. The Emperor became less and less relevant, morphing into a figurehead with the usually Germanic magister militum having true control, but with local strongmen becoming more powerful as well, with the empire being less able to exercise central control. cat botherer fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jun 30, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It's still ~400 if you go with just the western roman empire. You may have a point with the crisis of the third century, but Rome did not suffer any major barbarian incursions until Marcus Aurelius in the late second century, but these never posed a serious threat, and the Roman military could suppress them no problem. The Crisis was ongoing civil wars and internal discord, but Aurelian and Diocletian reorganized the government into the autocratic Dominate. The Late Empire, after the Crisis, was stable, with Rome very much having the upper hand until the very tail end of the 4th century. After that, the Western empire was slowly cored out by internal discord and the settling and military use of barbarian foederati. Slowly, they became more powerful, and their interests wound up aligning with major land magnates. The Emperor became less and less relevant, morphing into a figurehead with the usually Germanic magister militum having true control, but with local strongmen becoming more powerful as well, with the empire being less able to exercise central control.
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snorch posted:These people are nuts for Ben Shapiro, rhetorical parlour tricks work.
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Discendo Vox posted:Just because something is complex doesn’t mean the appropriate response is to dismiss it and assume the worst outcome. I used bigger words please don't probe me koos
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Cimber posted:You mean...politicing and horse trading to get what you want? Giving away something of little value to get something of greater value? Working the system?
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Keyser_Soze posted:Pete is a centrist cyborg but is at least "electable" and could win against the fundy fascist chuds and can also discuss things without drooling all over himself or screaming and farting like Dumb Donnie.
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