Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Lamuella posted:

I'm entirely fine with Paizo not cutting off an income stream for artists tbh.

:same:

Also lmao at "well getting actual art would be expensive so that's how I'm going to justify blatant art theft, gently caress y'all"

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Yeah, a group I'm playing with that is largely 5e players getting PF2e under their fingers nearly wiped on the cinder rat in the beginner box because there was a lot of "run in, attack" antics going on and I was the idiot who triggered it and went down turn one (we're playing iconics, I was Ezren, "I want to ponder the orb" felt in character). I had to not-so-subtlely suggest some actual tactics like tripping/shoving the rat around, etc. before we started recovering.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Yeah, it's worked well for my group that's playing Abom Vaults. GM yoinked us all out of Pathbuilder and dropped us right into Foundry, zero issues aside from the druid's animal companion.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



If you don't get how the average joe's perspective is going to be "necromancy = dead/undead poo poo" then I think you're just being intentionally obtuse.

In less stupid nonsense, has there been anything Alchemist-related in any of the Paizocon talks?

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



3 Action Economist posted:

It's okay to help your players understand that fight. The point of the box is to learn the system and its tactics.

Yeah, I think it's going to result in a group falling apart on me. :negative: My party TPKed on that fight and afterwards I tried to bring up things we all could've done better at the DM's promoting because I'm the only one with any PF2e experience, and the player playing the fighter iconic got all in my face about "ugh if this is going to be nothing but rollplay instead of roleplay I'm just going back to 5e".

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

"please explain then why you did this <very silly thing>" and they basically word-salad'd.

This sounds so familiar with said player who got pissed off at me. We attempted that fight again with the characters we rolled for Abom Vaults and it went better but they still opted to cast Electric Arc and command their animal companion (they're playing a Druid now) instead of drop a three-action Heal when I was down and two people were under 1/4 HP. Completely mindboggling.

appropriatemetaphor posted:

My thing with that is what if you’re flanking an enemy. You’ve attacked twice and now it makes sense to step back, but like now your ally loses the flank.

I feel kinda trapped just tooling around next to a big baddie sometimes. Like you could recall knowledge or whatever but if you’re a martial class you probably suck at that or your mage has done that already.

I dunno, those are the sort of circumstances where I would've done other stuff with my first and second actions.

Especially if I know my flank partner has the initiative lead, I'd probably forego getting two attacks to do something like change my grip on my greatsword, go for a trip, then regrip and attack. Still three actions, but it's set the team up for success way more.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



3 Action Economist posted:

Those are things they should spend their *first* actions on, like demoralize. You want to do today before you strike.

Yep, getting my partner used to the idea that "your big alpha strike spell isn't the best first thing to do" has taken some work, but she's sticking a shitload of Demoralizes now and loving the extra wiggle room that Frightened 1 gives her.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



boxen posted:

It does lead to funny images like my 3 foot tall kobold bard wielding a 4 foot long sword cane. I've thought about using it to make him a stand-up bass style lute.

It worked out quite well when I made a Pixie heritage Sprite and realized I could just use a picture of a lalafell dark knight in FF14 to represent her since she hit the rough height approximation of a Small creature and had a greatsword literally taller than her. :v:

E: Like, I rolled up with this for my Foundry token and everyone was like "yep that tracks"

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Arrrthritis posted:

It would be rad if there was an archetype dedicated to wielding weapons that are one or two size categories larger than what you can normally wield. Let a dedicated player wield that fire giant's sword.

At the risk of :thejoke: is this not exactly what Giant Instinct Barbarian is?

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



DemonMage posted:

That's not an archetype though :( (but is cool!)

Ah, yeah, fair. You could apply it to other things through Barb Dedication and Instinct Ability at 6th, but that's a bit deep into an adventure.

It's also probably the instinct I would've chosen for above said sprite if my group was running with Free Archetype (she's a fighter), but I didn't have the feat slots to snag Instinct Ability so I'm using Spirit instead to basically analogize her nascent link to the First World and how she'll sometimes just go into a fae battle trance on a whim.

Fun character, it's really neat juxtaposing "shockingly upbeat and personable sellsword" with "loses herself in frothing battle rage if someone pisses her off". :D

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Lamuella posted:

There's a question: if you have a weapon that deals nonlethal damage, is there a way to deliver lethal damage with it? In the real world if you hit someone enough times with a sap they die. Feels like there's room for a homebrew where you can do lethal damage but with a penalty to hit as you're having to aim a lot more carefully.

The Nonlethal trait already has that baked in.

quote:

An effect with this trait is not inherently deadly. Damage from a nonlethal effect knocks a creature out rather than killing it. You can use a nonlethal weapon to make a lethal attack with a –2 circumstance penalty.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Today I had my first Power Attack crit that rolled maximum damage (twelves on both d12s) and boy if my entire table didn't just pop off for it.

Rolling up to a target and dropping fifty-four fuckin' damage ruled. :getin:

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Could be worse, you could have a player bitching about PF2 being "too focused on rollplay instead of roleplay" when asked why they didn't burn a three action Heal during the beginner's box final encounter with multiple party members at sub-20%. :shepface:

I opted not to clap back about "if you think that a sellsword wouldn't get pissed off about how tactically stupid that choice was", mostly because I was in the group as a favor to the DM who earnestly wants to move to PF2 and wanted a more experienced player to try and help smooth the transition.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



3 Action Economist posted:

The role of a cleric is to heal, especially the cleric in the BB. So "roleplaying" would be, you know, healing everyone.

To be fair they were playing a Druid at that point, but still. Why would you prepare it and not use it in a horrible situation like that?

Instead of saving three people's lives they opted for Tangle Foot + Command an Animal on their companion. Just baffling.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Yeah, like, there's a difference between "I'm using a greatsword instead of a better two-hander because it's thematic to the character I'm making" and "actively refuses to and gets hostile at the suggestion of making different plays that would benefit the party more".

We ended that encounter with the critter in question on single digit HP - that three action heal the druid could've used would've clinched victory and made them the Big drat Hero. Instead, I get yelled at because I suggested it. :psyduck:

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Arivia posted:

Matt Mercer does a collaborative performance for an audience. It's not an actual roleplaying game

Glossing over the conspiracy theory-rear end "IT'S ALL SCRIPTED!!!! :tinfoil:" bit, in what universe are tabletop games not literally a collaborative performance with rules

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Dexo posted:

No it's seemingly only insulting to you personally.

Literally the only person enraged by their suggestion.

I mean I don't like APs but that's more my weird brain worms making me feel like I'm invading in on something that's normally a private thing, in spite of them literally and actively broadcasting it out to other people. :v:

I'm not gonna write a screed about how ackshually it's not from the roleplay region of France therefore

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



KPC_Mammon posted:

To be fair, alchemist is the worst feeling class in the game and it isn't even close. You basically have a limited number of cantrips, spellcaster levels of accuracy, and an array of buffs that don't stack with magic items.

It's so nonsense to me that bombers/mutagenists/toxicologists don't get better proficiency in the thing their study emphasizes (so alchemical bombs/unarmed strikes/simple weapons respectively).

I really don't think bombers getting expert at 5th and master at 13th in bombs only would really ruin things.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



The Slack Lagoon posted:

Starting a new campaign soon and the characters are...

Goblin
Automaton
Leshy
Azarketi

and....
Greg the Human

Sounds like my abom vaults group, but swap the goblin and automaton for a sprite and a grippli... being joined by an elf. :v:

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



My group is a sprite fighter (me), grippli sorcerer, leshy druid, and azarketi swashbuckler.

Elf player hasn't decided what they're doing yet, just emphatically "an elf, please". :v:

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Chevy Slyme posted:

My new group that is in the process of building characters for a campaign starting next month is looking like it’s going to be:

Dwarf Kineticist
Dwarf Cleric
Dwarf Thaumaturge
Dwarf Magus
Dwarf Bard.

Group sounds like it rocks.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Yeah, I don't see how the new thing is that much different from the old other than "it's not literally any $TYPE spell".

I'd wait for the whole list of curricula to drop before assuming the sky is falling.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Facebook Aunt posted:

I imagine the explanation is that when you were in school you were taught about these spells even though you weren't able to cast them yet. Those are the spells your teachers thought were cool and worth striving toward. You wrote down the formulas and theory behind the spell back when you were in training, but it didn't click until now.

Exactly.

Plus, the curriculum spells are only for your what were previously specialist spell slots. You can still learn whatever the gently caress you want off the arcane tradition list for normal per-level spells; the "you pick one of this small subset" is when you reach a new spellcasting rank and is an extra for your curriculum slots.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Yeah, I was gonna say, as a level 2 PC I've done more than that in a single crit myself, so if I can dish it out I would not be shocked to see similar coming back at my face.

E: Now, granted, yeah, 34 would drop either of my level 2 fighters as well, so I probably would've called for a retreat from a spicy looking foe if I knew our party was running on fumes.

Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jul 27, 2023

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Zeg posted:

E: if anyone cares I can post my build ideas or try to share the character file somehow

If you're using Pathbuilder, you can share a link to the character with this option:



That said, yes, Gunslinger Dedication does give you proficiency in guns, so the idea you describe would work just fine, caveats about firearms themselves notwithstanding.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Starfinder 2E :vince:

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Chevy Slyme posted:

Playtest page is up for Starfinder

https://paizo.com/starfinderplaytest

I love the glitch gremlin and will protect them with my life

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Syrinxx posted:

Kineticist is already on Pathbuilder, quick work by that developer.

Wood has an impulse that heals with herbs and spices.

I am this close to making Colonel Sanders, Fire/Wood Kineticist.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Yeah, as someone who was the mandatory crafting bitch in various groups across both 3.5e and PF1, I'm glad that crafting is largely able to be ignored outside of things like shield maintenance unless the DM is specifically limiting item availability at the macroeconomic level.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

he's totally internalized the brain-dead 5e paradigm of "oh it's my turn, I do the thing I always do and run the formula" and that's what he's trying to do, just do the same thing every round after the first

Starting to think that may be the issue with the druid in one of my groups that I've been bitching about. They have The Plan and deviating is "rollplaying". :rolleyes:

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Honestly it seems like he's trying to do thirty seven different things at once and sucking at all of them.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



atelier morgan posted:

if the dude's a big grog he probably figures what he's doing is fine and effective enough since he isn't dying (which surprises me, as somebody playing through the vaults right now i'd expect anybody aggressively flanking without even being defense capped to be getting bounced off the floor all the time)

Yeah, I was gonna say, as a fighter in half plate I'm taking some lumps when I try to set up for our swashbuckler; a low AC bard in the tussle sounds like they'd get turned into a stain.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Instructions unclear, continuing to use a greatsword on my pixie.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Gwaihir posted:

I also grabbed mauler dedication so I swap back and forth between swinging a two handed hammer around and then putting it away to go in for the takedown

Have any of your party members popped off with "by gawd he's got a steel maul!" because if not they're slacking

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

and nobody besides our Kineticist learns anything. I. Do. Not. Get. It.

Some people just really don't like the tactical layer to combat. I had something similar last session with my table with That Druid where there was a creature in water that I wanted to coax into approaching the rest of the party but our Swashbuckler just fuckin' jumped right into the water to brawl with it, leaving the rest of us without a swim speed just kinda staring at them going at it.

I even lead initiative with Delaying until the thing came in range, but nope, there they go.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



appropriatemetaphor posted:

Sometimes that's just people not paying attention to anything when it's not their turn.

That may be it, because I was very explicit about it. I was top of the initiative order and stated "I am going to Delay with the trigger of the fish thing climbing onto the bridge, in order to coax it into a bad position".

And then wheee, off goes the swash~

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



KPC_Mammon posted:

That's exactly what happens in the rules lawyer's video on pathfinder tactics. Swashbucklers are famous for turning easy fights into tpks because they want to look cool and flashy.

Ours is wit! They should be hanging back and talking poo poo! It's maddening!

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Mister Olympus posted:

it doesn't help that some classes in this system, like magus and gunslinger, do have very tight action loops that hurt to have disrupted

Yeah, and that's fair - if we had anyone with an action loop like that I'd be more forgiving.

But our party is a pixie sprite fighter (me), a grippli imperial sorcerer (my partner), a leshy animal druid, and an azarketi wit swashbuckler. Usually the swashbuckler's on board with my tactical planning (my character's backstory is that she came to the Prime from the First World because she wanted to Become A Hero™ and obviously all heroes started as sellswords and mercenaries, so she lives for that sort of "leader of the merc band" tactical planning thing), but lord, it just felt kind of a slap in the face to explicitly set a plan and see another player just go "lol nope bye" to it.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Mister Olympus posted:

after being told off enough, any unintentional sabotage should be treated as intentional

That's probably going to be how I come at things with my table's druid if there's another near TPK situation; my character isn't a greenhorn, and she's got enough of a leadership mindset that she would read "I could've healed y'all but didn't" as sabotage and blow a fae gasket over it.

The druid player is so obsessed over the whole "I roleplay, not rollplay" poo poo that it makes me want to meet that head on.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



sugar free jazz posted:

this sounds like a player problem and not a character problem

You're not wrong. I honestly should walk away from the table but I like two of the three other players and the GM (in spite of my occasional grousing about the swashbuckler), and I did offer to basically be their "hey we're trying to get off 5e and move to PF2e, do you mind helping us?" go-to person.

I also have the bad habit of internalizing everything in terms of "okay, how'd I gently caress up this exchange" and realistically I should realize that anyone who reacts to "hey <player> there were at least a couple of places where a two-action or three-action Heal would've swung the tide of battle in our favor during that fight" with "if this system is all about rollplay instead of roleplay then I'm out" is not someone I can get things through to. :shrug:

I just bite my tongue a lot and vent to y'all instead. :v:

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply