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so how long before the next debt ceiling crisis forces Biden to Mint the Coin?StumblyWumbly posted:
Oh that sounds ideal, let's make a list of those people . . . Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Put Kevin McCarthy's face on the $1 Trillion Coin Oh not his face. He'd go on the reverse, not the obverse.
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Anyway my prediction is this doesn't resolve any time soon. Everyone is saying that eventually there will be a compromise candidate but if that person existed they would be getting mentioned by name. There's no compromise candidate and the suicide caucus is going to drive the house off a cliff. My guess is eventually some people defect and join the democratic party and then we have speaker Jeffries. Sometime in March, maybe April.
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Gyges posted:We'll get a Republican who makes a deal with The/20 Democrats to overcome the suicide voter block way before people change parties or otherwise vote the Democrats into power. Making such a deal is, effectively, the same thing as up and changing parties to (D). They'd get primaries at the next election for betraying the faith and letting the evil democrats take over. I mean literally who you caucus with is effectively your party. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Gyges posted:I'm not talking about caucusing with the Democrats, that would be the super unlikely step before Speaker Jeffries. I'm talking about a Republican Speaker with Republican control of the House, except they agree to not block specific bills like debt increases and budgets, perhaps a few constraints on the incoming Biden witch hunt, in exchange for the Democrats taking a long lunch next round of voting. Right, but the suicide caucus -- and the median Trump supporter -- will view that as the same thing as switching parties. You don't win Republican primaries today by being less crazy than the next Republican. Even if some such compromise nominee existed, and they don't, they'd cease to be a viable compromise the minute freep.com or wherever started attacking them for betraying the Party.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:It’ll be someone retired or someone who’s never worked on the hill, and it’ll be a while until the votes are there. The debt ceiling is one possible trigger - capital doesn’t want their bonds to be worth less so they’ll be able to force 5 GOP members to back an outside Republican that the Democrats deem better than the current options. Everyone says a non-member as Speaker is technically possible, but has it ever happened? edit: according to google it has never happened The root issue is gonna be that the minute anybody is named as an alternative they'll get pilloried just for being an alternative. The chaos caucus wants to be in charge and they aren't going to accept any compromise that doesn't end with them being in charge, and nobody else wants to let them be in charge because they're all insane. So the republicans can't solve this. So it ends when some of them decide to stop being Republicans and go caucus with the democrats, and not before. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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Randalor posted:So if the "current" rules (as in, what McCarthy put forward) would allow 5 representatives to call for an immediate vote for a new speaker, what's stopping the chaos caucus from just constantly calling for a new speaker every 5 seconds? Or 5 democrats from grinding the machine to a halt to minimize the Republicans damage? Yeah, they basically want to be de facto Speaker themselves.
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Jan 4, 2023 14:18
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Feels Villeneuve posted:yeah McCarthy's real "strategy" is to put the choice between the HFC getting McCarthy and some concessions, or losing everything with a moderate compromise candidate The problem is Mccarthy needs a credible compromise candidate to credibly threaten that. And a credible compromise candidate 1)doesn't exist 2) would defeat him if they did
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Jan 4, 2023 19:40
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Gyges posted:
Also, let's not forget, with all these concessions the job would be worthless. He'd be speaker for a day then someone would call a no-confidence vote because he dared to approve the payment of Social Security checks or some poo poo.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Supreme Court already struck down term limits as unconstitutional in the 90's when Gingrich passed them. "Every Representative, a Speaker of the House!"
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Randalor posted:How many more rounds does McCarthy have to suffer through before this makes it into the top 5 most failed speaker votes? Will he break before then? Because right now, he seems to be the weakest link in this entire clownshow. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-multiple-ballots-history/ The longest it has ever taken was two months. That was pre civil war, though. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Randalor posted:So... what, 6 more votes then he's in the top 5? The record since the civil war is nine ballots, so he's on track to set a modern record at least. You know, we talk a lot since the escalator about "constitutional crisis" but this is what one looks like. There's a reason this poo poo basically hasn't happened since the Civil War. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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smoobles posted:It's still funny after 7 times ahahaha https://youtu.be/BdU7sH2LdMk
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Youremother posted:To be clear it would take only two republicans to lock this up indefinitely, right? If this boils down to, say, Gaetz and Boebert voting TRUMP! over and over no matter what they're promised, the game is up? Assuming no one swaps parties, yes. So yeah, this ends when Republicans start voting for Jeffries.
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LionYeti posted:Yeah and theres a blueprint now and probably more money rolling in, in a presidential year so I would be sweating bullets if I was Bobert. Boebert isn't thinking ahead to next week.
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Bremen posted:So, 21 votes against, McCarthy agrees to meet all those ridiculous demands, and we still get 21 votes against? Oh yeah absolutely it literally couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks
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Piell posted:VOTE EIGHT IS ON Does McCarthy think that calling more votes will somehow magically get people to change their vote does he think voting is a mantra and you just have to repeat it enough times
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Randalor posted:Maybe he's trying to speed run the "most losses for speaker votes" category? The record is 133 ballots, took two months, and was in 1855. It ended with a resolution to accept a plurality.
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surely repeating the exact same actions over and over again and expecting a different result is the smart play here It's a die roll! Just gotta reload the save enough times and you'll make the skill check!
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Officially the most ballots since the civil war
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nelson posted:Hypothetically speaking, what kind of power would a minority party Speaker have? Depends. Does the majority party let them pass a vote on something, or not? The thing is, being speaker is just the threshold. It's "I have enough support to get poo poo done." Theoretically a plurality can do that if parts of the majority abstain, but why would Gaetz abstain to let Jeffries do things?
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aBagorn posted:you'd need to only have 223 votes for 212 to be a majority and i honestly think that if it got down that low enough of the HFC would vote for Mccarthy simply to deny jeffries That seems like really really complicated math for Boebert to figure out
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Lord Harbor posted:If 212 is the majority, then the Republicans have only 211 or fewer total votes, so it wouldn't matter how any of them voted. wouldn't that only last until all the Republicans return? I can see a Chaos Orb congress happening where control shifts back and forth based on the # of people physically in the chamber at any given point in time.
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Vegetable posted:A bunch of reps have been talking about how they're not able to do constituent casework as a result of this impasse. What kinds of casework do members of the House do? I'm familiar with the Commonwealth parliaments where MPs both resolve local concerns and also vote for national policies. I hadn't thought that members of the House did similarly local work. There's a lot of stuff like "nobody's fixed the pothole in front of my house for a year" or "my husband's veteran's disability hasn't been approved yet" that congressional offices fix by yelling at the appropriate people for their constituents. This is why long term incumbents stay in office, they've racked up a lot of favors.
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TLM3101 posted:
He has basically already tried A. The problem is they don't trust him to let them keep tickling his tonsils from behind once he's in office.
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The Lord of Hats posted:Even after he busted out the kneepads last night, he's still short. If it ends up being just like, 6 non-Kevin's left, he might be able to break it today, but I feel like we still hit double-digits against him. Hilarious how if they had just forced him out over the sex crimes this wouldn't be happening
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Djarum posted:The House GOP is going to sink their entire party for 2024. There is no way that this clown show isn’t going to become an embarrassment on the entire party for the next two years that the general public isn’t going to be able to ignore. I agree My bet is one shutdown
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Charlz Guybon posted:Nah, it's much funnier if he finally gets elected and then the rules vote fails. Does a motion to vacate the chair require a majority
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Zero_Grade posted:I suspect there's quite a bit more of this kind of thing that's been made public so far, and it's going to lead to entertainment in the future. Possibly very near future. will all of that have to be made public as part of the rules vote
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so we're gonna have a debt default in, what, july unless Biden mints the coin?
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tecnocrat posted:MSNBC reporting that they don't have the votes to get the rules package going tonight. ha-ha
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Old James posted:At the last moment McCarthy will attempt to push through a clean debt ceiling bill to avert disaster and then get the boot by Gaetz and Boebert. Fixed. I'm not optimistic McCarthy could do that.
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Most of the party is cooperating with their supposed allies because they're mature adults who know that's how you get ahead in life most of the time, and they want that norm to return. The rest are sociopaths busily collapsing the prisoners dilemma of our society because they're shortsighted, malicious, ignorant idiots. Unfortunately once the dilemma starts collapsing that's the winning strategy unless the collapsers are punished.
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