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Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

The Demilich posted:

Anyone have the studies on hand about keeping physical activity to a minimum for a month and some change?

Need it for a friend whose being bone headed.

It might help to tell your friend to think of COVID as an injury. The infection is basically an assault on your body and some damage will have been done that your body needs to recover from. And the universal advice for injury recovery is to rest for a while.

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Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Hellequin posted:

Man, I'm in bed for a month and the thread gets closed and reopened, is it just a normal reboot or do I need a recap.

A couple people expressed a bit of a siege mentality. One going off on a Costco sample vendor and posting about it in a weirdly romanticized way, another suggesting in reply that they were going to conceal carry because of anti-maskers. Then in spite of them being dealt with by mods we had so many pages of litigating if the thread should even exist and people threadshitting.

And the thread was old anyway and they're apparently doing it to other megathreads. :shrug:

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

fosborb posted:

this was a bad data point, right?

Yep, this is the third time we've seen it now.

Understandable that someone would miss it though given the speed of the last thread and then its death.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Unfortunately the posting around it is a whir of different graphs posted by people trying to own each other so it's hard for me to follow.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Pingui posted:


Only getting 50% off though...

Eat out and I love to stimulate and Sunak's leering face all together are not leaving me with pleasant thoughts.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

NeonPunk posted:

Like how do they even come up with the max load for bridges? By calculating from the materials in the construction and the design? Please. They should just build one then drive heavier and heavier trucks until it collapse then we can just rebuild it and place what we now know is the max load.

That's how I solve bridge builder video games so I don't see why not.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Buffer posted:

They did have a point here - you should only ever listen to your doctor(s), not goons, regardless of which forum they're on or what credentials they claim

This makes sense for medications. But there is no reason to believe that a random doctor will know whether or not you should wear a mask.

When goons are like "here's links to the CDC and the AMA recommending masking in public" then no, it's not better to listen to your doctor if they say don't wear a mask.

So much of the advice, and definitely the main advice that has actual support within the thread, we give in this thread isn't random poo poo pulled from our asses, it's stuff actual medical professionals recommend. Nobody is saying "I'm a doctor so do this" and in fact the last one to pull credentials got run out for being cringe as gently caress. "Don't listen to doctors" is such a false characterization of what has always been "listen to these doctors".

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

StratGoatCom posted:

Basically, keep your goddamn air intake clean, leave anything else to the doctors.

Imagine going to your PCP for advice on which budget air purifiers are the most effective.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Listen to your doctor, not goons. Also, your continued masking and avoiding eating inside at restaurants is a sign of mental illness and you should go live your life.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019


Don't mention the goggles. All you had to do to preserve plausible deniability was not mention the goggles. As soon as you mention goggles in your list that does not contain masks, it's all over.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Glumwheels posted:

My wife has COVID, 1 year after getting it the first time. She’s fairly sick, she took a test yesterday and it was a negative test and she took a test today after she noticed she stopped being able to taste food.

Any tips on how to get her paxlovid?

Check out the first post under the heading "telehealth sites that prescribe covid treatments".

Hopefully that sorts you out, if not just pop back into the thread for more help.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Sunny Side Up posted:

Yeah it’s weird as poo poo. Even if they’re empty suits like Biden and would be replaced if they didn’t toe the line, they’re still despicable. It is okay to wish ill on mass murderers.

Some people think we'll talk ourselves into an act that begins with rear end and is not fun for the person on the receiving end.

Some other people just don't like the bad vibes.

Phigs has issued a correction as of 06:31 on Aug 21, 2023

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

When you start running again start by running around the block or similar so you can more easily get home if you need to stop early.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Rosalind posted:

A plague of that awful paxlovid taste of burnt metallic grapefruit upon you all.

But my argument was never that "hoarding" (a word that was probably not the right choice) was going to cause shortages of paxlovid. It was that it may lead to providers tightening prescribing guidelines which would make these medications more difficult for people to access in the future (including those who need it immediately) and also that paxlovid is no joke and people could start medications resulting in life-threatening side effects if they then start a course of paxlovid.

I don't think "you live in a society" is going to be a compelling argument to people posting in the "society has washed its hands of an entire loving pandemic because it hurt number" thread.

Nobody cares about the possible policy consequences of them hoarding Pax. I think the arguments for not abusing Pax because it's a serious medicine that could hurt you are much better arguments against it.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

I think, ultimately, people are just going to have to accept that this thread is going to be skeptical of medical authorities. We've seen doctors prescribing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine and all sorts of quackery. We see doctors recommend against masking in public. We've seen doctors recommend cloth masks over n95 respirators. This whole entire pandemic is multiple levels of authority and the medical field showing its rear end. We're living through a horrifically, horrifically mismanaged pandemic. Listen to doctors is just bullshit in this climate.

It's a good idea in general to listen to medical practitioners. But there needs to be a place to discuss the possibility that individual doctors are wrong. There are lines that should not be crossed, but I think we can attack those as they come. I don't think a blanket rule of trust doctors is good for the thread. If someone comes in here saying their doctor prescribed them Ivermectin for COVID are we just supposed to go "listen to your doctor"? What if their doctor says Paxlovid is unnecessary because they're fit? That's bullshit some doctors do say. If their doctor says it's bad because of meds they're taking or their condition or what have you, then absolutely they need to listen to their doctor. But if their doctor is just making straight up ignorant claims the thread should be able to point out those claims are ignorant.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Corrigenda posted:

That is really concerning!


Anyway, I'm very off base per the replies. My apologies if I said things wrong or in an unkind edit:manner. I don't want this thread to get shutdown, and it just appeared to be retreading ground that lead to the reopening of the SAD thread.

One thing that is rough about this thread is that a lot has been said over the years so some of those things are just left unrepeated when regulars talk to each other, which can make it hard for a new person to parse exactly what is being said.

Definitely something we should try to improve on I think. It's something common to megathreads but I think it impacts this thread's helpfulness a bit. It's fine if a megathread is just for shitposting about Trump or some poo poo.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Real Mean Queen posted:

lol everything you need to buy one of those masks is clearly written on the front of the mask, come on guys

Getting furious that googling "ME mask" is not getting the right results.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

If the SAD forum thinks I obsess about COVID they should check out how many hours I've racked up in Against the Storm lately.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Yeah don't post in or read SAD it's a bad place for bad people to post in. I'm only posting in there because it's scratching that arguing with morons in DnD itch I haven't scratched in ages. I should definitely stop though.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Remember you can always ask your doctor for things.

And you should listen to your doctor so if they agree to give you something for a certain purpose then it's okay, even if it doesn't align with the prevailing medical advice given to doctors by other authorities. COVID posters say you should do X but doctor gives you a script for it anyway? All good.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Right now I still wear a second mask on my face though.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

The cool thing about a conspiracy is you can solve your problems by killing all the conspirators. Solving actual problems is hard and takes a long time doing things that aren't killing people you hate.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

If you're posting in this thread you're basically posting under a don't lose your temper rule. Everything you do has to be measured and rational because anything too high strung is a sign you're about to go blow up a Costco with a pipe bomb in a Darth Vader suit.

I'm not really joking. This is not a thread to get pulled into dumb slapfights with trolls if you can't keep your temper under control or prevent yourself from saying anything stupid in an argument.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Homeless Friend posted:

thats been true in cspam, SA and irl forever.

The scrutiny makes it different. You could have that same meltdown in a random thread in these forums and chances are no mod would end up seeing it.

People in the thread need to understand they have to have more restraint.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Pingui posted:

Wash them.

They are very earthy regardless I could see someone saying they taste like dirt.

Weirdly cilantro used to taste like soap to me but now it doesn't. But the taste is still slightly reminiscent of soap, like it's one of those images that you can interpret differently and while you see one of them you can kinda see the other image too. Beets feel a bit similar with the dirt taste.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Lib and let die posted:

you could say the same thing about succ zone a year or two ago, and in retrospect there was a valid criticism that we would spend way too much time winding ourselves up over posts we didn't have to read, often just to the moronic end result of a regular succ zone poster getting riled up enough to go running into D&D screaming about azov-nazi-loving neoliberals because they'd been boiling about ukraineposting for hours in the succ zone - except instead of screaming at DV and catching 3 days off it's screaming at the sample vendor and getting asked to leave the costco.

Kinda feels like succ zone and DnD could be replaced with SAD and COVID thread in this scenario though. Including that I was a succ zone poster when that all went down so this feels extremely familiar. I have no idea why it's happening to my CSPAM thread of choice again, I've never been one of the problem posters so it's not my doing.

Phigs has issued a correction as of 20:41 on Aug 23, 2023

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

The Maroon Hawk posted:

I have the same problem, walking around for hours is fine somehow but if I stand in one spot for more than a few minutes (especially after sitting down for a prolonged period of time) my heart rate goes through the roof, I get faint and short of breath, and my legs start to get numb. this is especially bad for me being in a choir.

does anybody have any recommendations for alleviating this? my primary doctor was of absolutely no help in this regard.

cool painting, btw

This sounds like it could be vascular damage. Your heart pumps blood out through your arteries, but veins use a combination of mechanisms to pump blood back to your heart, mechanisms that are helped by movement. If those mechanisms are damaged then standing still can cause blood to pump too slowly through your veins which can then cause the numbness and feeling faint and the body compensates in ways that make your heart rate increase and to feel short of breath. At least, that's what I remember of how it was explained to me ages ago.

Ask your doctor of course if that could be it and maybe get them to refer you to a vascular specialist to see if that's what's up if they don't know. If you can't and need to just try things then the main 3 ways to combat this are frequent moving and avoiding still periods, compression stockings, and vascular massaging. The first one, moving, is always good so definitely try that, just things like flexing and moving your hands and feet about can be enough. The compression stockings I think are safe to do as well but you should check if there are warnings on them. That last one is apparently possible to gently caress up so don't try it without a medical professional/physical therapist showing you how.

EDIT: Also you'd want to be careful about what you're doing to your blood with what you consume. Stay hydrated and avoid large intakes of salt, sugar, or fat. You don't have to avoid them entirely, just don't dump a whole bunch of that poo poo into your bloodstream all at once. This is another thing that is just a good idea anyway so you can freely do it. The stay hydrated was something I was told, the other ones are things I noticed could make my extremities numb if I wasn't careful.

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Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Just don't think you can cram all that salt in at once, you need to spread it out.

Also I dunno that I'd up my salt intake without medical advice considering high salt intake can also be bad depending on what else you've got going on.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Still can't loving believe that poo poo is somehow COVID thread business. We're not the anti-dog thread. We don't rant and rave at each other about dogs and how dangerous they are. We didn't egg each other on until one of us went off and killed a dog like that idiot that pipebombed a cow or whatever the gently caress in the climate thread because they supposedly doomposted themselves into doing it. There was no connection to the thread except that the person happened to post it in this thread. It's such a bad faith move to even bring it up.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

lumpentroll posted:

who pipebombed a cow

Actually not sure if he literally pipebombed a cow, that could be goon telephone, but the below goon was talking about it and some people were even egging him on. I read a bit of it but it was pretty crazy and he was talking in code and... yeah its weird so I checked out.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php?userid=189869

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Baddog posted:

Hah! But hey, if the point is "exaggerating posts for lols and drama is bad", maybe don't engage in it as well.

That guy was perma'd because you just can't even joke about something like that. Not because there is actual evidence that any cows were harmed in the making of those posts, unless I'm missing something.

But it becomes "the climate thread had a pipebomber" because that makes the story interesting and funny. All the detail you need to be accurate is boring, so goons just loving skip that poo poo. Sure, it sucks if you're on the receiving end of it.

You for real? You think me saying

quote:

like that idiot that pipebombed a cow or whatever the gently caress in the climate thread because they supposedly doomposted themselves into doing it.

and

quote:

Actually not sure if he literally pipebombed a cow, that could be goon telephone

Is me asserting anything? Do I sound confident of the facts? Does it look like I'm going after the climate change thread?

"or whatever the gently caress" "supposedly" "actually not sure" "could be goon telephone"

I was clearly using an example I had only heard about. When it was used in SAD to justify why this thread is such a problem btw. I, however, clearly had no agenda against the climate thread when I posted it.

And I tracked down and posted the actual receipts so other people could confirm what actually happened instead of just taking my shaky word for it.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Baddog posted:

I gotcha. I added an edit up there a minute or so ago because I think it did sound like I was coming directly at you - "Not trying to call you out in particular, just pointing out the general poo poo we all kinda fall into."

All good.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

I'd bet good money its reference to some kiwifarms type poo poo and you should probably drop the subject.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

biceps crimes posted:

it reads as if the QCS/SAD slapfight with this thread resulted in doxxing because of the moderating decisions in the COVID thread. I'll drop the subject when I want to or when I eat a probe for it, thanks though.

I've not heard anything and nobody else has come forward with thread lore about it so if anything happened its not widely known and probably only Shiroc can answer your question and they're currently on probation.

I wanted to nip it in the bud because I feel like until Shiroc can post again this line of discussion is only going to lead to baseless speculation, like my own speculation that Shiroc probably just wanted to get ahead of potential doxxing because of the kiwifarms stuff from before.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

loving amazing. The last time I quit these forums was because of KM and her bullshit crusade buddies. Only to come back years later to hear about how she imploded. I legit thought this SAD stuff felt so familiar. You know how I said arguing in SAD felt like it used to in DnD back when I used to do that and I needed to stop? That was the last time! Against KM and her crew. Amazing.

Anyone saying this is not similar is dead wrong.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Rated PG-34 posted:

it’s still echoed in this very thread that if people had just lockdowned harder, the virus would have been defeated. that was just a delusion as lockdowns were always for the ‘non-essential’ workers.

Part of any good "lockdowned harder" plan was to lower the number of 'essential' workers and ensure good PPE for the truly essential workers while paying everyone else to stay home.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Pingui posted:

:crnasickos:

Kishida please, my people yearns for cheap anti-virals.

The people in charge know best. You should not try to circumvent the very good and perfect rules to get your hands on Pax.


I'm still COVID zero and that's unlikely to change so I haven't been paying attention. Any new developments besides this new variant/wave happen in the last few months?

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

I wonder what kind of moron they think you are that you just don't know masks are not mandatory anymore. Were you just wondering why nobody else was wearing masks anymore? Hmm sure are a whole lot of people breaking this mask law and seemingly getting away with it all the time. But not me! I am no lawbreaker!

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Phigs
Jan 23, 2019

Dren posted:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/meas...anada-1.7102005

seems bad

been a while since we’ve unlocked a previously well-controlled pathogen

what are the basics of measles pathology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxvMKAzz5NU

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