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dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Jay Derkin posted:

I would consider actual inclusion to be leaving everyone the gently caress alone and letting them live the way they want to. This recent trend of "You disagree with X small thing means you're a bigot and we hate you" is just ludicrous.

Would you, perhaps, say that woke culture has gone too far?

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dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Jay Derkin posted:

The whole point of the law is to completely remove sexuality and personal matters from K-3 education. I see zero reason that it won't be followed by straight teachers. If I was an LGBT parent and got word that a straight teacher was ignoring the law that an LGBT teacher was expected to follow I would raise hell until that teacher faced consequences, and rightfully so.

how's that nazi boot taste?

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Rhymenoserous posted:

I don’t want my only posts in this thread to be non topical and despite all my shitposting I do like that goons are still carrying the torch in eve so I wanted to come back to this. Though my opinion is gonna be pretty negative.

I don’t know how they think they can address this in any meaningful manner that isn’t slapping a “girl colored pink bandaid” over a gaping wound.

Ultimately the toxicity of this player base towards women is one that would need a lot of social engineering and monitoring of tools that explicitly do not belong to CCP to clean up. The worst of the worst horrible game ruining sexist poo poo I ever heard was in fleet coms, jabber and so on, not in the game client itself.

Without a big demographic shift towards women playing this game independent of whatever CCP does I don’t expect women’s voices to have enough weight to push through the white noise of a ummm at least moderately awful user base. There’s a concept of a poisoned well, wherein once so much poison is in the well you’ll never get clean water out of it ever again. Gaming on the whole already has a problem with this and much as Goonfleet lags behind something awful cultural moores by a good decade so also goes eve online to the rest of gaming.

Honestly you need look no further than the response on Reddit to the current problems to see what I mean. At best CCP can axe folks doing it within in game chat channels, they can promote women devs to encourage interest, but considering the last time a CCP lady got promoted from the gaggle her nudes were posted within the week, I’m gonna just continue to be skeptical that this player base is gonna play ball.

i miss CCP Seagull. Mintchip on the other hand was a bit yikes. that said:

EVE absolutely is a poisoned well. half the reason i biomassed and will never log into it again is i don't remotely enjoy the possibility of being a lightning rod of drama and that goes doubly for being a queer woman. i 110% do not trust r/eve shitbirds to not try and creep my socials to harass me unless i completely :sever: from the game.

Jay Derkin posted:

I've not actually seen any woman hate first hand over the years I've played EVE. Though that time has been almost entirely in GSF where that poo poo isn't tolerated, so it may skew my overall view of the game.

did you completely loving miss the drama last year somehow?

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

pyrometer posted:

mmm like rainbow skittles hey can I get some of that sweet plex from youre sugar daddy? lmao no self respect just go away

bro why is your entire post history the most annoying posts in an EVE thread

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

twigplant posted:

i'm actually not sure bc i didn't see the initial SLOW leak. there's lots of stuff in this one about telling trans people to offline themselves in various ways, lots of discussion about how drag queens and gays are pedos, a few mentions of final solutioning gays, a hilarious amount of lionizing tucker carlson lol.

tbqh playing adam offline is a pro move regardless of one's gender identity, doubly so if it means you have more time to kiss people of your preferred flavor (or just touch some grass if you don't like smoochin').

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Kazinsal posted:

pros: we're not racist/sexist/LGBTQ-phobic
cons: after the leadership shakeup, we're now run by a triumvirate of d-name posters

from a bcd to a ddd

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

floppyspud posted:

Buoyancy control device?

bigpaddy, corgski, and me to d'ceet, dietinghippo, and...???

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

i joined SA specifically to post about EVE

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

psilocybin laden posted:

they do have the former head of minitru

not anymore since i quiy EVE and anyway the propagandr wasn't my focus

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

causticBeet posted:

I think what goosefleet is doing is neat but there’s a big difference between a WH group and a group that has a hole with some people living in it.

PRISM are, last I knew, Goosefleet pals and are WH-focused.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Kaysette posted:

I lived in a c5-c5 for a while and getting HS/LS exits was hit or miss but being able to carrier roll the static was so nice. I don't miss loving around with multiple BS and a HIC.

I found/stole an Abaddon fit that can crush a C2's nullsec static with 3 of 'em. Triple hots and it dies.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Rhymenoserous posted:

You get around this problem by putting your bomber wings at several different points on the grid with the people you are bombing in the center and setting up your warp ins so each wings bomb explosions overlap each other but the overlap doesn’t reach the other wings bombs thus exploding them.

This is the Vee/Kcolor method and it all got watered down because y’all put boat in charge of bombers and he’s not got the patience for grid prep that his predecessors did so he went with waves instead (far less effective).

But since the context is small gang my go to method for bombing a fleet with low resources was always to trick them into turning their MWDs on. Post up a in-line bubble like 15km from the gate where a fc may just go “gently caress it mwd on and burn to the gate” rather than bounce off a perch then aim my bombers between the gate and the bubble. I knocked out several TEST fleets this way in the 2013 fountain war.

At the very least they are going to be wounded and you’ll have killed off a good chunk of their T1 and sub cruiser hulls. Back in the day we regularly nuked BC fleets doing this.

I will credit Asher with doing a turbo-advanced version of grid prep for siege bombing on the PAPI Keeps during Beeitnam.

That was such a long, slow fight but it felt really, really satisfying to play keep-away with my bomber for hours.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Elchimpster posted:

Could you use a giant secure container for storing depots? We used to use those for stashing equipment fuel and ammo when we did our blops campaign in fountain circa 2011 against test

Depots can't go inside containers.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

i paid :10bux: to be able to post about poo poo MiniTru was doing and the Casino War, while a dirty MRCHI. Rejoined into Goonwaffe after a post-war break led to getting purged, then exited to Gooseflock, and then EVE entirely.

Now i get to throw peanuts and talk endless poo poo; time has come full circle.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


most of the Imperium's membership is pubbies, and as yet there is still no blanket amnesty for those blacklisted for "Delta Heresy"

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

not going to nearly be as hostile about it but yeah, absent a blanket amnesty for Deltas I would never go begging for one.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

it's pretty easy actually: everyone that was kicked last summer has their services ban rescinded, because we were right. I mean, if you want to prove that GSF has actually moved on, it's the lowest effort move to make. Barely any of us want to come back, but it's the principle that counts here. And no, we won't be crawling to Asher to ask for it. Make it happen. Prove you've changed. Proved you've moved into the 21st Century with the rest of us. It ain't that hard

:five:

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

There are two blocs with a rabble of independent states between them. PH/Frat in the NE, Imperium in the SW.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Booshway posted:

I just moved into a C4 5/4 by myself after a five-year hiatus, I kept thinking to myself c4 ratting can't be as bad as people were saying, and boy was I wrong.

I'll never forget the day when I was solo ratting in a passive Rattlesnake in a C4 Pulsar and a Proteus decloaked...then his friends didn't show up until after I'd cleared the last wave of rats while chatting with him in local.

They tried. I didn't die. Eventually we exchanged pleasantries and they left.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017


I'm glad that the community you found in the Imperium and within EVE was a good thing for you. I hope your brother recovers fully, and that you stay in good health.

DerekSmartymans posted:

Glad you got through; Covid and its restrictions were very hard for a lot of people, so I’m glad you were able to hang out with Evefriends at a time when socializing physically was a no-go.

Even the folks who “win” Eve hafta at least consider that for some folks, Eve may be the difference in having human connection every day with all that entails or sitting in your room alone for six months polishing your hunting rifles. Or whatever bad alone-time rabbit holes some might trip in to.

EVE Online…a force for good? 😇

If I were still a lonely egg, I would still be playing EVE.

Having a partner that I intend to spend the rest of my life with and Hot Girl poo poo to do means EVE no longer fills that need for human connection.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

DerekSmartymans posted:

See, I’m on the other end…ever since before Covid because of my living situation I’ve pretty much been a shut in. I can’t risk getting even a cold because two out of the three folks at home have compromised immune systems (as an aside, Granny turned 100 today!). Nobody is allowed to just drop in, and my father and I still wear masks at the grocery store and do most shopping online anyway.

Most of my day to day socializing for four years has been via online methods. Sure, I “communicate” with friends and family daily, but a phone call really doesn’t replace a nice dinner. Seeing a movie together, no matter how many times a day you text/email your bff, just makes you feel better afterwards.

Eve has sorta bridged that gap for me since a posting buddy here on SA got me to give it a shot in 2022. I’ve enjoyed hanging out with new folks again. Voice coms are usually fun, and there’s always some Goon around to answer questions or process your asteroids. I’ve also liked meeting folks from around the world that I’d never have met before the internet. Maybe the fact that when I started playing Mittani was otw out helped, but I’ve had the best time playing a multiplayer game online since EverQuest in 1999. Even the d-name posters aren’t that bad :colbert:

...I was going to explain my point to you, but I have neither the patience nor the crayons.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Ynglaur posted:

So I basically soft-quit a year or so ago after the logs with Mittens calling a harassment victim "Amber Heard" came out. I'm sure there are many dramatic ways to answer these questions, but if anyone itt would answer them simply and directly I'd appreciate it.
  • Is the game in an okay-ish state? When I left it was sub-20K daily logins and dropping quickly.
  • Who's the CEO of GSF now? Last I heard Asher took over from Mittens, which seemed like a great way to burn out a genuinely good human being and leader (and FC).
  • Did any of the Delta squad bans get lifted? I'm not talking about the ones for people burning the neighborhood around them as they flung poo poo everywhere. I'm talking about the ones where someone posted, "Hey, maybe Mittens shouldn't be Dear Leader right now until we figure out how to deal with abusive behavior like this."

Thanks.

Delta Sqad activists remain blacklisted. For some reason, I along with Baculus and Dirk are considered the three ringleaders.

E: Considering that my expectation of the ~~conversation~~ with Merk to be focused around the assumption that I Did A Bad Thing by continuing to post on goonfleet dotte cum until my access to it was revoked, why would I reach out to kiss the ring? It's not my fault their auth system failed to yank my access to the site when I pulled all the spacemens I knew for sure I had registered.

dragonshardz fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 14, 2023

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Solus posted:

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM FIFTY THOUSAND JUMP CLONES DOWN THE SPACE TOILET. ITS DELTA SQAD TIME RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE CHEST MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, FURNOK DORN. I CAVE IN MY CHEST AND CAVE IN MY CHEST HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN 1DQ OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY’S SHITTIEST VIDEO GAME. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY COLLEGE CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN COLLEGE CLASS CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JERKS. AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO POST GOOD AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY APARTMENT LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNING. THEN I LIFT

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Fajita Queen posted:

dragonshardz is definitely the best d-name poster to take into posting combat against globby imo

turbo-damned by faint praise

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Step 1 of regaining self-check would be blanket pardons for all Delta "schismatics".

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

according to Merkelderpelfourchan, the line on that is "over leadership's dead bodies". I should know, I asked and wasn't even the worst

my understanding is i am held in some sort of ur-schismatic view by the members of the "star Chamber", which is hilarious because i merely posted while i could and demanded the org live up to the standards i had been led to believe it had - which i spent years championing.

Office Thug posted:

Something I don't think many people realize is that the org already admitted the Deltas were right when they reacted so violently towards them. They felt so threatened they exiled an entire group of people when called out. By not addressing this, the org continues to silently admit the problem persists in some way or form, even if maybe parts of the problem have since been attenuated. But at the same time the problem is pretty gargantuan if you also look at how other people in The Imperium reacted in general to the entire situation, with a non-insignificant number of people somehow still honestly thinking Mittani and Xenuria did nothing wrong and Delta were just terrorists trying to rip apart their perfect organization.

there's a reason the prior thread did not recommend joining the Imperium.

Tsed posted:

Exiled, and memory-holed. They deleted the wiki, hid helldump, deleted the delta threads, and hid or deleted the delta forum.

to be fair, the old wiki had been basically a garbage dump since the Casino War and the project to replace it outright was already in progress when everything happened.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

A Bad King posted:

Gotta love a game EVE Online, it has emergent gameplay holy wars! It has grudges! It even has a thread that just spends circles and circles of wagoneer trail on a specific god drat space guild.

Could y'all just help me out I need a Claymore fit that doesn't suck.

https://zkillboard.com/ship/22468/losses/

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

A Bad King posted:

This thread keeps opening a trash bin and dumping its contents over itself, again and again. It's both disappointing and hilarious when a toddler does it once, but we're all well into the back pain from making GBS threads too hard phase of life. Could you specific posters who want to discuss IMPERIUM, A SPACE OPERA GUILD WITH A SCHISMATIC DELTA FORCE, do so elsewhere? Is that a big ask, am I wrong?

The EVE thread could theoretically be good for folks returning to the classic game that evokes positive memories for them in their late XX's.

Remember POS's they're still here and they're as boring as ever. You even fuel them with stront! What's a fuel block?

no. get hosed.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

A Bad King posted:

I like playing EVE Online again. It's the only game that still gets the adrenaline running when you're overheating that prop mod to land a scram on foe.

I don't care about nullsec. I just wanna honk, and be silly on the neatest internet spaceship game still running twenty years onward.

Fly Rifters, Fly! On the way to victory!

Now hit enter send

this post is going to be really funny when you realize Goosefleet is mostly people who were disgusted by the Imperium but still wanted to play EVE.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Lorem ipsum posted:

Please keep posting claymore fits after getting 0 context about how the fit will be used.

stupid questions get stupid answers

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

twigplant posted:

weird. i got my husband off the blacklist like a month ago.

yeah but your hubs also wasn't a "dangerous schismatic" from Delta, i don't think.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Phlegmish posted:

OK, interesting responses - didn't mean to relitigate. I actually did not know Delta were branded as heretics and persecuted. I noticed my character is no longer in GoonWaffe, but I assume that's just due to inactivity.

Anyway, amnesty for everyone, and let's move forward with a reformed Imperium. I'm just hoping all our enemies band together and attack us again, last time was so much fun

The ball is firmly in the Imperium's court for that, and thus far Asher Elias has refused to pick it up.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

A Bad King posted:

We should share hecate praise. The hecate, a fine Gallente warship for killin'. It has a very bad Description box.

I prefer the Hecate over many other ships in the ~70mil pricing bracket when I'm looking to go fast, as it provides a sensation of winged glory as it flies toward the respected foe with nearly 800dps and a carelessness toward its own death. It looks like a wing, which I said already, and which serves little purpose in space besides whee, which is enough for any self respecting goon.

I'm glad we have new spaceships to fly, especially those that provide new opportunities for established play styles, especially the ones I enjoy.

Night Witch Hecates hosed so hard.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Ragnar Gunvald posted:

What ever happened to Flanders? I liked his posting in the eve thread back in the day.

he won EVE

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Baculus posted:

go self soothe with a fidget spinner and then make another post about some 73 part mp3 you put together while assuring us your brain definitely works

the "subtle" ableism in this post is not a good look for you

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Baculus posted:

I’m gonna go ahead and not take advice on good looks from a person most of delta has blocked/muted.

cite your sources

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Baculus posted:

leadership is a bunch of morons who think i am the leader of delta sqad and not just some guy that fucks girls what live in vehicles

it's this.

dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

Greg Haza posted:

We're allowing you there with some unpopular/bad-take opinions on things too, actively looking the other way.
Culture and societies evolve with the culture and the society as a whole. Please don't pretend to be the singular moral compass of a community when you have probably said/done much worse than a good portion of that community.

post receipts or gently caress off, thanks

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dragonshardz
May 2, 2017

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

GSF is truly sends their brightest and best when the sanctity of the state is threatened. It's almost beautiful

All the good posters get banned so all they have left is the likes of Greg "Fine People On Both Sides" Haza

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