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Weekly main mission scheduled at 2000hrs Universal Time on Saturdays. The time and place means that these air forces lack many modern airplanes, and are limited in their weapon selection, with some exceptions such as the Chilean vipers. Vahakyla posted:Quick update for those who think following the thread can be overwhelming. So wots all this then? DCS World is a flight sim with modules, individually purchased planes that simulate various helicopters and fixed wing aircraft of mostly the modern era. The game includes non-flyable AI assets, and tons of ground units of all kinds. Game requires a lot of patience, as these airplanes are started manually with each system modeled, and the nerds that fly them click the buttons in the cockpit to achieve what they need to do. The sim is good enough to be used by real air forces for training for planes, such as the US Air National Guard for the A-10, and the French Air Force for the Mirage 2000. Our players will talk on the radio channels with air traffic control and air battle management, and they will use different channels to communicate with their wingmen. Each flight will have its own objectives as part of the package, and the flight leads will write up their plan before game day, and after the game, their after action report. Each days’ game will probably last about 1.5 hours to 2 hours. We’ll stream it both from the perspective of a pilot, and from the air battle manager station’s radar screen. Does it sound complex? Oh gently caress yeah, it is! But it’s a lot of fun. We hope to attract the interest of non-plane goons and are more than happy to explain terms and describe what we do. Don’t hesitate to ask questions, and we look forward to sharing nerdery in this thread or the Discord. Vahakyla posted:And to give perspective to, let's say Ace Combat, I'd like to show what kind of simpits some of us fly with. That Works posted:I also hope that a glossary gets added itt, it would be useful for many. In the meantime these might help for some things: —------------------------------ Alright, so let’s dive into the set up:  FIRST IRL GAMEDAY:14 October 2023, at 2000 UTC South America, in DCS South Atlantic Map The date in game: 20th March 2010, 0600hrs when the game kicks off. Background:   CURRENT COMMAND:  The Trans-Caucasus conflict of 2008 that saw a Georgian border dispute that initially appeared to be swiftly resolved with judicious use of Western Airpower left lingering embers in the region. It reignited in late 2008. During the preceding Georgian conflict, China had used the west’s distraction as an opportunity to build up forces and then promptly invaded Taiwan. Taipei’s fall took most observers by surprise and left ripple effects in chip production felt around the rest of the world. Shortly afterwards, Chinese forces seized Hanoi, rolling through Vietnam and conquering Cambodia and Laos at the same time. President Al Gore, the democrat who defeated one-term Bush, hesitated at the crucial moment. All that the United States managed was a blustered response that not only emboldened China, but also ignited a renewed interest in Russian imperial aspirations. Fearing the use of nuclear weapons, NATO sat still, its brain paralyzed, unable to choose a common path. Most Eastern NATO states mobilized in anticipation, but states like Germany and the United Kingdom did not. The European Union was similarly caught by surprise as President Medvedev invaded Ukraine and Georgia simultaneously in early 2009. Kyiv fell in short order and Tbilisi was soon in tow. NATO’s inaction was finally solved when Russian Forces invaded Lithuania through Belarus in March 2009. This acceleration in the conflict did not only surprise NATO, but Russia itself. The Kremlin’s inability to control rogue elements in the Armed Forces and its decision to offload military duties to the Wagner PMC had created a situation where several rogue generals were able to force Russian decisionmakers to a conflict far beyond their initial intentions. Creating monsters unrestrainable by their leashes had come back to bite them one last time and in an attempt to save face, the Russian government was forced to back them. On 15th March 2009, air raid sirens were heard around the world as it held its collective breath. At SHAPE, Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, NATO’s Article 5 was invoked. This was it, nuclear devastation would soon follow as the dreaded situation had now at last come to the unwanted climax: NATO had collectively declared war on Russia and another World War was at hand. As world leaders cowered under their desks in anticipation of the hellfire, a young US Air Force pilot waiting for the President to board the doomsday plane E-4B managed to connect the staircase just in time for President Gore to step out of his motorcade. “Not to worry ladies and gentlemen, this war will be solved quickly. Ashes to ashes and dust to dust in one late afternoon!” the President muttered to the Secretary of Defense, unaware of the listeners. As the plane took off to its relative safety and clocks ticked past the world’s slowest seconds, most people slowly started to crawl out of shelters and ditches. While still holding onto their loved ones, their gazes were filled with disbelief. No missiles were flying. No doomsday device was on their way and not a single city had been sent to oblivion. Against all odds and predictions, cooler heads prevailed. While there were several close calls with unclear alarm systems, nuclear missileer officers from several countries refused to believe alerts and waited for clearer commands. It saved the world. At least for now. As Russia and China kept pushing into an ever-increasing number of their neighbors, the United States and its allies, some with more planning, others with less, initiated several counter-offensives. NATO forces somewhat forcibly positioned themselves in Finland and Sweden, Egypt, Morocco, and other countries they saw as advantageous for themselves. Australia took upon itself to create a buffer zone by forcing its northern neighbors to cooperate. As self-defense to this, China and Russia formed an alliance to protect their interests, with mutual understanding that they’d each secure their own buffer zones from their immediate neighbors to protect against possible NATO attacks. The war raged on around the world, with the US, Australian, and South Korean forces attacking North Korea in hopes of deterring China. In only a few months it was apparent the plan had been too bold as the tide of the battle reversed. They were unable to hold the DPRK north of the Demilitarized Zone. South Korea’s capital fell, and casualties mounted as allied troops fought in every city and suburb. They manage to create a defensive line roughly at the 36th Parallel, holding onto Sejon. A plan “Fortress Korea” was implemented, with more troops flowing in from Singapore and Indonesia. In addition, Japan agreed to provide part of its Army to the Korean Peninsula. This, and other setbacks slowly ceded ground. Most of the Western forces were in central Europe, a clear EU and NATO focus point, fighting on the European Theater of Operations. Egypt and Israel, as tenuous allies, waged their own conflict against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which had swiftly joined the Pan-Asian federation. Brazil, Argentina, and Peru, soon followed by Chile, started the Latin American Lend Lease. These South American nations mobilized their industries to provide NATO, Europe, and Oceanic nations with food, fuel, consumable medical and logistics items. It soon took its toll, with inflation setting in and the number of people in food assistance lines climbing from Buenos Aires to Lima. The countries began buckling under the pressure, but their leaders wished to continue to provide significant aid globally to avoid the need of troop deployment. Regardless, food must be bought by the average family, and hunger and the ever-falling number of consumer goods caused social turmoil and riots. Each South American country lacked expeditionary capability, and as most are aware, Argentina’s last attempt at amphibious operations and fleet action did not bring the desired success. Peru elects its first female President, Lucia Aguila Gutierrez, a member of Free Peru, and a former Air Force Pilot who institutes universal mobilization for all age groups. Chile purchases a large number of trainer aircraft from Venezuela and Uruguay, and in coordination with its neighbors, begins a mass train up of fresh pilots. Brazilian and Argentinian Navy cancel their plans to scrap their Colossus-class carriers and hastily refit them. In April of 2009, two Argentinian passenger ships carrying its citizens from South Africa and Europe are torpedoed near the Azores. No country accepts blame. Eventually in late summer 2009, Chinese forces initiated a push towards eastern Africa through the Arabian Peninsula with its pre-existing naval bases north of Somalia serving as staging grounds. The east African nations begged for Western help, but the calls fell on deaf ears as NATO was bogged down in Europe and unwilling to help. The African Union’s Combat Command, led by South Africa, fought valiantly with forces mostly from Tanzania, Namibia and Kenya, but had to eventually perform a fighting retreat towards West Africa and the French possessions there to preserve the remaining combat forces. This now-exiled African force was still a formidable formation, but far from home. The refugees from Kenya, Tanzania, South Africa, and Namibia continue to fill up camps in the western coast and overwhelm resources everywhere. Through Madagascar, South Africa, and Namibia, the Chinese were able to support an expansive naval landing fleet. Reading the situation from afar, South American nations worried that it would eventually head there as a Chinese attempt to secure a foothold in the Americas. Requests for reinforcements and naval assets from the United States were once again met with difficulty, as the United States was fighting the war in the North Sea, Europe, and the Pacific. Not believing the Chinese to be willing to expand as rapidly, the United States Africa Command is too late to react as the People’s Liberation Army Navy lands on the islands of Saint Helena and Edinburgh of the Seven Seas. Though British Overseas Territories were falling, the similarly over-extended Royal Navy was unable to respond fast enough. Port Stanley and RAF Mount Pleasant at Falklands Islands are feared to be next. The RN and RAF start a large-scale operation to evacuate, the only option left. Argentina and Brazil offer their navies to assist in a tremendous sealift that brings the 3000 civilian residents of Falklands and untold number of British materiel to Argentina. The Falklands become a ghost town, without a soul, waiting for invasion. The British forces are scattered along the eastern seaboard of South America from one port city to the next, without cohesive structure. The HMS Invincible runs aground near the coast of Argentina, near Comodoro Rivadavia. At this moment, the once mighty Royal Navy is a practical joke, saved only by the swift action offered by Brazil and Argentina. The nations of South America are now face to face with the inevitable reality: their territorial integrity, their homeland, and their democracy is threatened. Their admirals agree that they are unable to face the PLAN fleets on open seas. As such, the Council of South American Defense opts to face the PLA as it lands and then push it back to the sea. On the 1st of February 2010, the PLAN fleet, now in control of the Falklands, launched toward the Tierra Del Fuego, and entered the Beagle Channel. The Argentinian and Chilean armies are caught with their pants down. The slow mobilization and logistics challenges meant that their armies had barely staged at Santa Cruz Province when the first Chinese troops disembarked at Puerto Williams and were not pushed back. The Chinese were able to consolidate forces, spread around the southern tip and establish a good foothold all the way to the Strait of Magellan, a significant natural barrier to the Chilean and Argentinian forces, even if not so much for the Chinese. Not only this, but the national disgrace in both countries forces resignations and sees new promotions to commands, creating even more confusion and further weakening an already struggling military forces. Realizing that the whole continent is now in threat of becoming a battlefield, Brazil, Ecuador, and Peru decide to immediately move to assist their neighbors. The Brazilian Navy steams south while Peruvian and Ecuadorian Air Forces are relocated to just north of the Strait of Magellan and to southern Santa Cruz province. As it becomes clear that Chinese control of South America is becoming more and more of a real possibility and would threaten each of their homeland eventually, the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, and Australia finally promise help. No definite inclusive or exclusive list of support is enumerated at this point, however. While wars and crises have left their mark on South America and democracy itself has occasionally waned, never have its major players been as united and determined as today. The civilian population is steadfast, and all riots and labor strikes are halted. Each factory is working around the clock, producing supplies at blistering speeds. It is clear to everyone that the future of Latin America hangs in the balance and that a population of 400 million are under immediate threat. It is now 10th of March, 2010. Ten days before the first real time gameday we have planned. Every single tarmac and landble surface in Chile and Argentina has become a transport and logistics hub. These airports are tiny regional airfields, often lacking dedicated taxi ways, but despite this daily miracles of organization, marshaling, and taxiing are performed as more and more air power arrives every day further south and each Air Force prepares for total war. The final preparations are being made to do whatever is necessary to buy enough time so that the promised help can arrive. Seems like the war that was supposed to be over in one late afternoon is stretching on. South America must not fall. Nuestra supervivencia exige fidelidad. Buena suerte. ----------------------------- The player units that are in play:  The United States Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM), located in Doral, Florida in Greater Miami. A unified combatant command, it is responsible for all of American interests in South America geographically, and will have a fictional liaison officer as the in-game manifestation that, with the USSOUTHCOM, commands the Council of South American Defense (Spanish: Consejo de Defensa Suramericano, Portuguese: Conselho de Defesa Sul-Americano), an irl-loose multinational cooperation that in our game universe has transformed into a unified combat command due to the necessities of the war. This Peruvian General player will make broad strokes decisions in this Let’s Play, have the ability to choose focus areas, and respond to challenges presented by the game masters. This player will not fly, and we encourage someone who is not a current active Air Goon to choose this role. It will be mostly a forums-based and discord-based administrative role, akin to playing a grog game. You’re encouraged and allowed to make your own backstory and lore. https://imgur.com/a0ahLwB General Carlos, Peruvian Air Force, Supreme Commander SCAD: Negostrike -----------------------------  Chilean Air Force. Fuerza Aérea de Chile (FACh) has the most modern inventory, though not the largest. With recently acquired ex-RAF E-3 Sentries and its American F-16s, the FACh can punch far above its size class and offer immensely needed capabilities to the conflict zone. Comandante Armando Tola International Airport is an airport in Santa Cruz Province, Argentina. This aviation brigade was previously at Punta Arenas, but has been forced to relocate farther and farther to avoid losing aircraft against the invading forces. Brazil has provided several aircraft, but due to disagreements with Argentina, has agreed to sub-ordinate its squadrons to the Chilean commander. The Brazilian Air Force, Força Aérea Brasileira, FAB, sends F-5 fighters and C-130 Hercules transports. They are not co-located, however, and hold their base currently at the city of Rio Gallegos, at Piloto Civil Norberto Fernández International Airport. This role can be filled by a non-flyer or someone who wishes to fly. Player Commander, Colonel Paredes: (goon needed) FACh: 3rd Aviation Squadron: F-16C Block 50 (Venom) 7th Aviation Squadron: F-16A/B MLU (Panther) 1st Aviation Squadron: E-3 Sentry (Player Air Battle Manager, plane flown by AI) (Condor) 2nd Aviation Squadron: KC-135, (AI-flown, player tasked) (Shell) E-3 Sentry is the name of the plane. It is an Early Warning platform, and it has inside ABMs, Air Battle Managers, who are the nerds who direct the fight. The player here will not actually fly the plane. The AI is flying it around in race tracks over friendly lines. However, the radar will see things, and these will be oggled by a screen that our Air Battle Manager uses from an external software called LotATC. They will use measurement tools and various map markers to guide and direct the air battle, effectively being the eye in the sky, and being able to be the one with the big picture in mind. The neat thing about LotATC is that the software will run from a potato, and so it can be used from really anywhere.     FAB: 1st Fighter Squadron: F-5E3 (Uzi) Effort post about F-5s by Muhlump: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=4042524&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post534880403 2nd Troop Transport Squadron: C-130 Hercules (Ascot)   -----------------------------  Peruvian Air Force One of the better equipped Latin American air forces with a mix of ex-Soviet and western equipment, the Fuerza Aérea del Perú, FAP, is a formidable force in the South American theater. With the most interesting plane set, the Peruvian Air Force currently calls Puerto Natales, at Teniente Julio Gallardo Airport, home. The airport is too small for the current contingent, and there are significant ground taxi issues and rearming difficulties. This role can be filled by a non-flyer or someone who wishes to fly. Player commander, Colonel Miranda: (goon needed) 412 Squadron: Mirage 2000C (Pontiac) 612 Squadron, MiG-29S (Colt) 112 Squadron, Su-25T (Chevy) 711 Squadron: MB-339 (Springfield)   The Ecuadorian Air Force, Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana, FAE, is sub-ordinated to the Peruvian commander. They are currently at Rio Turbio, Aeropuerto de Río Turbio. 2112 Combat Squadron: Mirage F-1 effort post by Arbitrary on the Mirage F1: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524#post534840283   ----------------------------- Argentinian Naval Command of the Argentinian Navy, ARA, Armada de la República Argentina. The most powerful naval force in the region, it is currently in command of the South American Combined Armada, divided into the Chilean, Argentinian, and Brazilian Fleets. This SACA is commanded by a player who will not only task the carrier air wings, but also direct the fleets in how they proceed and what tasks they will attempt. This role can be filled by a non-flyer or someone who wishes to fly. SACA Commander, Admiral Sampaio: Kaal  Argentinian Fleet, located at San Julian, at dock, in fitting Frigates and destroyers from the Argentinian Navy.  - Chilean Fleet, located at 52nd parallel south currently, just west of the coast in the archipelago. Comprising several CNS Frigates and Destroyers, and most importantly, the Argentinian pride the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo. A colossus-class carrier now far beyond its time, but still capable of CATOBAR. It was unable to get to the Argentinian side before the invasion, and is now stuck with the Chilean Navy on the Chilean side as the head of the fleet there. The only battle-ready fleet, but positioned in an unfortunate location.   The ARA 25 de Mayo’s Air Wing: 3rd Fighter-Bomber Squadron, A-4 Skyhawk (Ford)    Brazilian Fleet   It’s flagship, NAeL Minas Gerais, is another Colossus-class carrier now living its retirement in a South American Navy. The Minais Gerais carries its own planes to battle. Furthermore, it is accompanied by Brazilian navy frigates and corvettes. The fleet is in urgent need of supplies. VF-1: A-4 Skyhawk (Dodge) Effort post by Steak on the A-4 in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=534865345  -----------------------------  Argentine Army, Ejército Argentino, EA, is assigned as the highest land combat command. Due to the main REDFOR presence on Argentinian soil, it is entrusted with the command of both Argentine and Chilean Armies. The land forces of this region are limited in scope and quantity, and prioritization will be required to succeed. This player will be one of the most low-intensity ones, essentially moving a few pawns on the map and doing their best to disagree with the Air Forces. If you have any interest and even a passing familiarity, try your hand here. You can expect M60 tanks, AMX-13s, and various second hand US stock.  Brigadier General Humberto: Mederlock Chilean Army Preview in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524#post534825974 Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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Lord Stimperor posted:Stoked! Busy season for me but I'm going to make it work. "Peru elects its first female President, Lucia Aguila Gutierrez, a member of Free Peru, and a former Air Force Pilot ". Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 24, 2023 |
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Terrifying Effigies posted:As a spectator just want to say that is a bonkers scenario and I am here for it Check out how crazy the world's been before, too! WHAT HAPPENED IN 2008?https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3989829 WHAT HAPPENED IN 1990? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3993395
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Volmarias posted:I got DCS Black Shark, and decided that perhaps having to learn Cyrillic to start up a helicopter was a bit too far into the sim genre for me at the time. While South Atlantic map costs money, the C-130, Su-25T, and the A-4 are free. None can be considered demanding to learn.
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For those who might glance at that and think of how small it is: It’s 300 nautical miles from the Falklands to the continent. It is 550 or so nautical miles from the top of the map edge to the southern tip. Many of these ”narrow” channels and fjords are actually 10-20 nautical mile wide major shipping avenues where a carrier battlegroup could do donuts.
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 So what kind of forces will fit on the ground? In DCS, we don't always have everything for everyone so substitutes will have to do. However, luckily this time it will not be much of an issue at all. The Chilean Army, Ejército de Chile, is very well represented in DCS. Here's some of their highlights and how they look in DCS. Leopard 1V: In 1997, 200 second-hand tanks belonging to the Royal Netherlands Army were purchased. They arrived in Chile between 1999 and 2000   Leopard 2A4CHL. Even the particular model is in DCS. In 2006, 140 second-hand tanks were purchased in Germany, with more units later. It is estimated a total of 186 tanks purchased by the army, which were destined for northern Chile.   NASAMS Air Defence. 3 batteries purchased in 2010; 2 static batteries and 1 mobile battery.   M163 VADS, Chile bought these from the united states.   The M113. Probably don't need an introduction here.   M109 Paladin. The army has 48 units, of which 24 are M109A3s purchased second-hand in Switzerland in 2004 and another 24 used units are M109A5s acquired in the United States.   Marder 1A3.   Humvee. Yeah, you guessed it.   And the same, but for MOWAG Piranha. Our only vehicle where we have to take artistic liberty. No Piranha is in DCS, so we use the Stryker in DCS. 
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Somehow I forgot to add the video teaser to the OP. Added, but here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mCf0mL9IE
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Negostrike posted:Looking good. It's not in the OP but looks like the Brazilian Air Force is in the theater as well? Muhlump repped the Brazilian Air Force on his familiarization tour of mainly Tierra del Fuego.  Coming to land at Ushuia:  Same shot from Google Earth:  Leaving Ushuia:  Approaching Aerodromo Pampa Guanaco, an absolute rear end end of loving nowhere. There's not even a town here, just a few residences. The runway was drat .4 miles long, too. I have no idea who the hell lives here but I pity them. Muhlump nailed the landing.   Leaving the place almost ended up getting dicey:  Final stop was Tolhuin, runway was short, town is depressing. Leaving Tolhuin:  
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Helicopters will almost certainly be eventually introduced here. Peru uses Hips and Hinds, and the others use Hueys and Gazelles, at least. And Blackhawks, which there us a UH-60L mod. However we’ll start with fixed wing ops for now.
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 Time for the first intel briefing given at the CSAD to Air Force commanders. Date: February 10, 2010 Concerning: PLAN and PLAAF forces at Islas Malvinas and Tierra del Fuego. Briefing Focus: Islas Malvinas (that some call the "Falklands") Listen up, as we all know, the Chinese Navy has captured Puerto Williams and Ushuia, and is currently spreading its forces to the rest of Tierra del Fuego. While there are not many major cities nor airports, the situation is very grim. The intel briefing for Tierra del Fuego will be at a later moment, but first, let's discuss the current situation of People's Liberation Army Air Force resupply. The distance from the current PLAN logistics hub, Cape Town, South Africa, to Tierra del Fuego is 4100 nautical miles. That is an immense distance, and far beyond the capabilities of any PLAAF air asset. Currently, as far as we know, the PLAN has taken control of all the ports in South Africa and Namibia. These are used for island hopping logistics where the latest PLAN island seizures; Saint Helena, Edinburgh of the Seven Seas, South Georgia and now Malvinas, are used to sustain this immediate sealift. Using this island hopping logistics chain, each leg is roughly 1500 nautical miles long. Their attack submarine fleet is hard at work protecting this, but they have also had their shipping sunk. Some 40 cargo ships are currently en-route to the Malvinas, and possibly as many as 15 have already been unloaded. Most of these ships are at Blanco Bay, waiting to get into Port Stanley at East Malvinas. Their cargo is unloaded and either trucked to former-RAF Mount Pleasant, or in the case of jets; trucked to Stanley Airfield and flown to Mount Pleasant. This is is where they are combat fitted and conduct patrols between the Malvinas and Tierra del Fuego. When the PLAN landed at Puerto Williams and Ushuia, they had relative few airplanes providing overwatch. We believe this to be due to the difficulty sealift and the slow speed of unloading. This means that at the start of our operations on the 20th, ten days now, we are not yet against the full PLAAF airpower. Let's look at the satellite photos offered by the USSOUTHCOM: Here we can see the ships waiting in line to get into Port Stanley. Visible are also several Type 052 destroyers providing air defence. Red arrow is the route they take on trucks to Stanley Airfield.  The mainstay of the PLAAF fleet is the J-7G, seen here getting unloaded from the cargo ship. The number of cranes and the throughput of their lifts is the current limiting factor. Expect the PLAN to prioritize shipping in better port facilities as soon as they are able. Also seen is a HQ-7 mobile SAM unit.  The flight from Stanley to Mount Pleasant is only 30 nautical miles and we've detected a daily ferry operation by the PLAAF.  Here's a latest flyover of PLAAF Mount Pleasant: A daily increasing number of J-7Gs, two J-11s, and two H-6s are there currently. In addition, a large number of shipping containers are arriving via truck from Port Stanley.  Now let's focus on something else. As you all know, the seas at the Malvinas can be especially cruel and demanding. As Port Stanley has a limited capacity of accepting ships, the PLAN has had issues with the large number of ships, including their civilian merchant fleet used for this sea lift. Just like for the past centuries, ships seek shelter at Choiseul Sound, between Isla Soledad (Main part of East Falklands/Malvinas) and the southern, mainly uninhabited Lafonia. These are conneted by a narrow isthmus known as Goose Green that also has a small settlement on it. To the east of Goose Green, are various natural bays and coves that offer safe anchoring for the large number of ships. This place also has Type 052 destroyers there.  THIS CONCLUDES THE INTEL BRIEF LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ------------------ Hypothetically, if we had eyes everywhere, this is what it would look like to watch some PLAAF J-7Gs depart Stanley to Mount Pleasant. 
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 There is a choice to be made! The choice: Do you want game day 01 (irl 14th October 2023) to have more CAP planes or CAS planes available? Listen up, we have an urgent mission that is extremely classified currently. While the mission itself will be revealed at a later date, it offers us the opportunity to use several C-130s on a tasking with room to spare. This means we can either choose Waypoint 2 to be Rio Gallegos, or Puerto San Julian. At Puerto San Julian we have spare parts for the Peruvian Air Force Su-25T aircraft, and at Rio Gallegos we have spare parts for Brazilian F-5s. Neither of these represent the most modern option, this choice will mean extra AI patrols near or at the Forward Line of Troops during game day. If you choose F-5s, it's CAP. If you choose the Su-25Ts, it's more CAS or Strike. Since we do not have a commander yet for this position, it's basically a thread vote that will be decided no later than Thursday, 48 hours from now. If you're just a lurker, we'd love to have your opinion. I encourage anyone to participate. Type out a bit of your reasoning when you post your vote or choice! This mission will set up the CLASSIFIED CLASSIFIED CLASSIFIED for CLASSIFIED next operation. This operation will be played in Arma 3 with some mods and will directly tie into this mission. This Arma 3 mission is scheduled for: 11 October 2023, at 2300hrs UTC to be played at Air Goons Discord. That's 2000hrs Eastern Time, 1900hrs Central Time. So wednesday evening on the 11th, we play the first Arma mission of this campaign. -------------------- Aight, intel briefing. Get ready. In real life gametime, this weekend, on the 30th of September, we will fly a DCS mission at the usual goon time, 2000 UTC. It represents the in-game time of 0900hrs, 11 February, 2010. This is a secret mission. You are to take the cargo GROOMSMEN from El Calafate, Comandante Armando Tola International Airport. It's in Santa Cruz Province, Argentina. This cargo is to be brought to a specific location over the Atlantic Sea. After you have delivered GROOMSMEN, you will turn around and either land at Rio Gallegos or Puerto San Julian on your way back to El Calafate. This will depend on the choice made. After cargo pickup you will fly to El Calafate and it will be mission complete. Available for this mission you have: ASCOT 1: 4x C-130 cargo aircraft VENOM 1: 2x F-16C from Chilean Air Force Venom 2: 2x F-16C from Chilean Air Force Signup here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Grz7yEp70GOFfjch3zD1mp2TpDStdapDdqNVTAOu6c/edit#gid=0 We will get the final weather forecast soon, but it is currently bad weather over the province with low lying fog, broken clouds, and moderate precipitation. It is not a good flying weather. The flying weather is not made better by the PLAAF patrols that have been sighted over the South Atlantic. We are currently monitoring the hostile invasion force in Tierra del Fuego, but do not assess that to be a risk to this operation. Nevertheless, we've assigned the escort flights to this. The PLAAF has some patrols around the Malvinas, and there are sporadic airplanes flying low over Tierra del Fuego. The PLAAF is unlikely to initiate contact, and so are we. Stay well within the FLOT during the mission. The two proposed waypoints are as follows: RESOLUTION JAGUAR (Fetch the F-5 parts)  RESOLUTION GUINEA PIG (Fetch the Su-25T parts)  We have this signal intercept from South Atlantic that we are currently waiting more information on: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QaZxuhpLDQFNv1sQnblPmUJTW2HKV5DH/view?usp=sharing Sign up and see you in the skies! Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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Davin Valkri posted:The story already has Argentina and the UK fighting on the same side; I think we're well past "anime storyline" mode. ”Same side” here is more like strange bedfellows. Island naming disputes are just on the backburner during the existential threat.
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Sep 27, 2023 16:22
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Game master: It will be the Su-25T(because it is free in DCS and also it is the same hull and humpback as the Su-25UBs in Peru). Some weapons limitations will apply to get it closer to Peruvian capability.
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Sep 27, 2023 16:53
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Stimperor, amazing newspaper work as always. Steak and Arbitrary, your rundown for the A-4 and Mirage F1 are linked in OP, thanks!
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Sep 28, 2023 00:50
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 FRAGO: The Brazilian Air Force wants to keep their own CAP still in the sky. Uzi 7 will be a two-ship F-5 combat air patrol over the east coast of Santa Cruz Province, between Rio Gallegos and Puerto Santa Cruz. We do not anticipate any Chinese initiatives due to the poor weather. These Combat Air Patrols have been up in the sky day and night without any engagement for the whole duration of the invasion now. Uzi 7 will not escort the C-130s but will operate around the same area. Uzi 7 will carry 2x AIM-9 and a 150 gallon fuel tank, this will suffice for a 60 minute combat air patrol at 25,000 feet. While the weather is poor, it does not preclude sorties. Expect a standard departure, and a TACAN-radial patrol, with a TACAN approach back to Rio Gallegos. F-5s at Rio Gallegos:  Sign-up for F-5s: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15Grz7yEp70GOFfjch3zD1mp2TpDStdapDdqNVTAOu6c/edit#gid=0 Meanwhile, the CLASSIFIED cargo has arrived from Tortel to El Calafate and is being loaded to the C-130s. 
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Sep 28, 2023 02:16
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Mederlock posted:Do we have access to any intelligence on the armament the PLAAF J-7's are most likely to have readily available? Currently as it stands, the Chinese J-7Gs that are flying long patrols with extra fuel tanks, are equipped with PL-5 SARH missiles which are characterized by their somewhat of a short range, and they have PL-8 all aspect IR missiles. The J-7 is capable of carrying two of each type for a total of 4 missiles in full fuel loadout, but it is likely that not all sorties go out with four missiles.  Any PLAAF patrol originating from the Malvinas has to travel 300nm to get to the coast, and thus they will not fly without fuel tanks. There are a few aircraft that are at Ushuia, likely J-7s also, but these planes will also have to fly some 150 nautical miles to even get to the FLOT between Santa Cruz Province and Tierra del Fuego. This not only limits the number of aircraft the PLAAF can sortie, but also in what they can contest. As far is known, only two J-11s are at Malvinas and are not likely to partake in anything else than immediate fleet defense currently. As you can see, contesting either the Eastern Seaboard of Argentina, or the FLOT that currently roughly follows the Strait of Magellan, the J-7s are at their extreme combat range. LIKELY PATROL ROUTE FROM MALVINAS  LIKELY PATROL FROM USHUIA 
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Sep 28, 2023 05:14
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To better align with reality and to offer limitations and South American flavor, let's talk about the Vipers in this campaign. The F-16C is obviously a very capable plane, far ahead of the other planes in it and if let unchecked, would be the absolutely domineering jalopy in it, with very little drawbacks compared to the others who operate with poorer missiles, less situational awareness, and limited performance. To keep it short, in reality Chile went about their F-16 purchase in two steps. They initially secured a US State Department permission to get 10 brand new F-16C Block 50 Vipers, known as Peace Puma the exact model we have in DCS. In addition, they purchased 36 second hand, ex Royal Netherlands Air Force F-16A/B MLU vipers, known as Peace Amstel. These were fairly advanced MLUs, however in order the US State Dept to approve the trade deal, Netherlands had to remove cryptographic features from them, Link 16 terminals, and the US wanted Chile to have limited AMRAAM capability, and as such only the 10 F-16C b.50 vipers have AMRAAMs. The Dutch removed AMRAAM capability from the second hand MLUs before the deal. The ability to deploy HARM's was also gimped during this. Since DCS does not have a player-controlled MLU Vipe, we'll use the Block 50. However, great news, it isn't that far off either with some rules. The MLU program has essentially been a retrofit to bring older A-Vipers to the Block 50 standard. The last remnants of the old plane in them is usually mis-matched color MFDs, or some buttons missing. The Dutch vipers were also due to receive updated MFDs for NVG-compability, but didn't before they were shipped over. While Chile's Vipers lack Link 16 capability, the Viper does possess its own radio-centric datalink system, capable of showing up to four flight members on the same VHF, and two other, usually other flight leads, over UHF. While the loss of Link 16 is a major setback, it does not leave these birds completely blind. In practice, this means that the Chilean Vipers we have in our campaign will be handled as such: Venoms: 12th Aviation Squadron: F-16C b.50 AMRAAMs and AIM-9Ms and various air to ground weapons. Initially only 10 of them, so they have to be used carefully. In addition, the sortie rate out of 10 total planes is 2 to 4 per mission.  Panthers: 7th Aviation Squadron: F-16A/B MLU There a lot more of these, but they can't use the AMRAAM, HARMs, nor can they use NVGs or the Helmet Mounted Cueing System. The mission commander can choose to sortie more of these.  The Vipers flying this weeekend will have two Panthers and two Venoms. If you crash a Vipe during this prologue, that's one less Vipe on gameday. Fly good, don't suck. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Sep 28, 2023 |
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In a 6-3 vote, the course of action is chosen to get Su-25T parts. RESOLUTION GUINEA PIG (Fetch the Su-25T parts) Briefing for this coming saturday with this course of action in mind will soon follow.
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Sep 29, 2023 00:54
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 FLIGHT BRIEFING ASCOT 1 C-130 x4 OVERALL TASK: Drop Royal Navy SBS team and their floating pallet to the Atlantic.  Waypoint 1: the edge of seaboard. Hit this waypoint at 5000 feet of altitude. Inform Air Battle Management "OPEN BAR" Waypoint 2: Approach this waypoint at 200 feet of altitude, traveling no more than 150kn, no later than 2 miles out. The passengers should exit precisely at the waypoint, and thus the drop should be initiated .2 miles away from the waypoint itself. Precision here is absolute key. If drop succesfull, call "IRISH GOODBYE". If unsuccesful, call "MOTHER IN LAW". Waypoint 3: pass this waypoint heading 069 degrees, flying at 1500 feet. Initiate a gradual descent, runway treshold is at 10 miles, 069 heading, Runway 07, Santa Cruz Airport (IATA: RZA, ICAO: SAWU). Waypoint 4: Runway treshold, 364ft MSL. Taxi to the end of the runway to the end concrete, w where trucks drive to you as you stop and will load you hot. Then turn around, and depart. This is a very narrow runway, so plan ahead stopping in intervals or you will not fit. You will not be able to pass each other. After departure, call "GUINEA PIG ROAST". Waypoint 5: El Calafate. Mission Complete. Total Flight Time: 1h10m  Questions? -------------------------------- FLIGHT BRIEFING Venom 1 F-16C b50 x2 2x AIM-9L, 4x AIM-120B per aircraft. Belly tank. Do not jettison unless emergency. Venom 1 will conduct escort, following the same waypoints as Ascot 1. Same waypoint map, but all waypoints are at 20,000 feet. -------------------------------- Panther 2 F-16A MLU x2 WP0: Depart El Calafate WP 1 and 2: Conduct BARCAP to protect the C-130s, establish a counter-CAP to the usual PLAAF CAP and posture. Orbit between WP 1 and WP 2 until the C-130s are "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB. WP3 3: El Calafate. Mission Complete. 6x AIM-9L per aircraft. Belly tank. Do not jettison unless emergency.  -------------------------------------------------------- UZI 7 F-5 Tiger x2 Conduct Point-CAP 80 nautical miles directly north of Rio Gallegos until "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB. Due to lack of datalink or navigation systems, you will perform this on the 360 radial at 80nm of the Rio Gallegos Tacan, 69X. Land TACAN 069X with 064 heading Magnetic, it is at the runway treshold. 2x AIM-9P5 per aircraft, one fuel tank. No jettison unless emergency.  ----------------------------------------------------------------- PONTIAC 5 Mirage 2000C x2 WP 0: Depart Puerto Natales. WP1 and 2: Perform Counter-BARCAP against the known PLAAF BARCAPs over Tierra del Fuego, until "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB. WP3: Puerto Natales. Mission Complete. 2x Magic 2x 530 SARH Center fuel  QUESTIONS!? Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Sep 29, 2023 01:42
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METAR, roughly similar at each eastern seaboard airport, but taken from Rio Gallegos. VIS 3 miles, RA OVC 3/15 28/30, FEW 40 Precip Winds are 065, 20 knots, gusting 25. Altimer 2933. Temperature 17, dewpoint 11. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Sep 29, 2023 02:17
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 AIR BATTLE MANAGEMENT Chilean E-3 will orbit on the 020 radial from El Calafate. They are on UHF 261.00mhz, callsign "Condor". Senior Director: Elendil Air Weapons Officer: Davin_Valkri Air Weapons Officer Wrathcough Air Weapons Officer: LapisAzure  ----- Yeah lol, we got lots of people wanting to ABM so we're having newbies practice it during this so there'll be a bunch of people in LotATC looking at it. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Sep 29, 2023 02:22
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Ascot 1 flight, the group of C-130s chosen for this demanding mission, are loaded and ready to go. Morning dawns at El Calafate on the 11th of February, 2010. Ground crews are checking the planes and making sure everything is ready for the 0900 departure (real time tomorrow at 2000 UTC in the goon game).    Let's go check the plane that the SBS will sit in.  They will jump out of this ramp. 
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Sep 29, 2023 20:49
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drat we sortieing everyone. ------------------------------------------ Panther 3 F-16A MLU (gimped F-16C) x2 WP0: Depart El Calafate WP 1 and 2: Conduct BARCAP to protect the C-130s, establish a counter-CAP to the usual PLAAF CAP and posture. Orbit between WP 1 and WP 2 until the C-130s are "GUINEA PIG ROAST", then RTB. WP3 3: El Calafate. Mission Complete. 6x AIM-9L per aircraft. Belly tank. Do not jettison unless emergency.
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Sep 30, 2023 00:29
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Who will make a 2000-2010 Latin American playlist on Spotify? Anyone is welcome to try their hand. We have some South American people here I already saw. It’ll be used for background music and I’ll have it on, too. Edit: Macarena is implied, yes Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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Sep 30, 2023 01:36
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Jarmak posted:Can this be piped over radio freq on SRS? Yeah as long as no active Twitch streams, heh.
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Sep 30, 2023 01:50
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We fly in 2 hours and 22 minutes. Assemble in Discord. If you simply wish to spectate, there's gonna be people streaming over Discord and probably other platforms, too. You can also observe Air Traffic Control and Air Battle Management in Discord. While there's no player A-4 Skyhawks in this prologue, this is what the combined Chilean and Argentinian fleet that they operate from looks like, with ARA Veinticinco de Mayo as the flagship, capable of launching roughly one skyhawk per 1 minute and 30 seconds. 
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Prologue was a success. There'll be more pictures but I'll post these quick ones here. El Calafate traffic jam.  C-130 departing.     So, the secret drop was a delivery of floating containers with gear, and a parachute drop of Royal Navy Special Boat Squadron to the HMS Agincourt. This Royal Navy ship will now take a secret course to prepare our SBS team for the incoming Arma 3 mission that will play into this campaign. The drop was precise, the SBS team members did not have far to swim. I do not have pictures of the parachute dudes though. Instrument weather was challening for all, but people managed. I myself in the ancient F-5 with nothing but steam gauges and a TACAN signal seriously struggled especially on the approach to Rio Gallegos, but it was a great challenge. Final roster was this: 
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Sep 30, 2023 23:55
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Powered Descent posted:
I am unsure of the MSFS2020, but in DCS you have accurate moon and sun phases going back some 30 years. We've used the real phases to plan missions, and it is really cool. So when you set the date of the mission, it shows you the phases and you can correlate those with whatever you want. Often if it is a night mission, I'll look for days with a decent moon to help newbies not fly in complete pitch black.
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Uzi 7 After Action Report Uzi 7-1: Myself Uzi 7-2: Jarmak We took a while to fiddle with out radios. Jarmak had not checked to his secondary radio ever, because the F-5 has too few so we use the radio extension mod that adds an imaginary VHF radio. He was not sure where to adjust it initially so it took us a moment. Next time we'll be ready to go. We departed Rio Gallegos and took 360 course from the Rio Gallegos TACAN, which allowed us to set up the proper CAP on it. The instrument flight climb out was fraught with peril because there is no HUD in the F-5, and only old time steam gauges. I had practiced using the TACAN, but not in poor weather. So as we were climbing, I suddenly was upside down and turning. I had confused, for a moment, the South for the North, and I had rolled upside down while figuring it out. I did regain my awareness but it was still a teaching moment. You really have to focus on the instruments when you can't see poo poo. A radial is an imaginary line coming out of the center of a circle. We can imagine that there's 360 radials coming out of a radio beacon for air navigation purposes. So if our patrol was to orbit the point that is on 360 radial and 80nm from the beacon, we put the beacon directly behind us, and flew towards heading 360. This way when the distance measuring equipment, or DME; said 80nm in the cockpit, we knew we were in the right spot. So anyway, at that spot we were called by Condor to practice an intercept on Pontiac 5 that was 120nm away. We turned our radars off and flew a bit to the side which allowed us to surprise them. After this, we flew back to our radial, and landed shortly afterwards. My wingman was excellent in staying with me the whole time. Only improvement is checking radios beforehand.
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Date: February 12, 2010 Concerning: Overall Situation Briefing Focus: The frontline Ladies and Gentlemen, we'll analyze yesterday's operation as soon as flight leads get their reports in. In the meanwhile, we have to turn our heads towards the rapidly deteriorating situation. We can not wait to hit back much longer. We have a hastily drawn map here. The past few weeks have seen intense fighting and had we had more airpower ready, or a firmer grip, we could have held to Tierra del Fuego better. However, it has not been the case. The PLAGF has two main axis of attacks, supported by the PLAAF and PLAN. We just were briefed that two PLAGF brigades have captured the recently abandoned Punta Arenas airbase. While CSAD has wanted to hold off attacks while we possess sufficient numbers, this rapid loss of ground is starting to cascade. And on another axis, two further PLAGF brigades are pushing against our last foothold in Tierra del Fuego, the garrison of Franco Bianco military airport. We have a severely depleted Argentinian Mechanized Brigade there (Grid DB), and another Chilean Mechanized Brigade just north of Punta Arenas (Grid CB). This is all the forces we have available right now, and both are unlikely to defeat their opponent. We have two choices to make right now. Choice 1: Do we prepare an air operation ahead of schedule, on the 15th, four days from now, rather than the originally intended 20th? If we wait, we will have a better intel picture of Chinese SAM sites and their air power, and the Brazilian fleet will be resupplied and able to assist with its capital ship. NAel Minas Gerais. If we do not wait, and instead choose to act on the 15th, we are however more likely to assist the BLUFOR brigades. Time of Action Turtle: Wait until the 20th Time of Action Rabbit: Plan for an air operation on the 15th IN ADDITION, we have a second choice to make. Due to our limited resources and aircraft, and the fear of diluting combat power too much, we must choose an area of focus. On this hastily drawn map, we've circled two friction points. Orange Circle, Punta Arenas airbase (Currently unuseable due to battle proximity) and the narrow isthmus, assisting the Chilean Mech Brigade as our focus, or do we both defend and reinforce our last foothold on Tierra del Fuego, the green circle? Course of Action Alpha: Focus on Punta Arenas, aim to deny PLAGF digging in at Punta Arenas and pushing forward on the isthmus Course of Action Bravo: Focus on Frianco Banco Airbase, assist the defenders there and hold onto the last grip on Tierra del Fuego In any case, the rough Forward Edge of Battle Area for us is the Strait of Magellan. It is a significant natural barrier and will likely be a great hindrance to all parties. The PLAN littoral forces are currently providing short-range sealift and ferry from Tierra del Fuego to Darwin Island (Cut by grids CA and DA) to Punta Arenas, and it is a far more demanding effort for them compared to the convoys on Highway 3 and 257 reinforcing that side through Rio Grande and Tolhuin. In COA Alpha, we can hurt the island hopping troops, and in COA Bravo we can aim to hurt some of those convoys on highways.  OUT OF CHARACTER: this mission is 14 October, 2023, in two weeks. Since we haven't had a volunteer for overall commander (anyone even slightly interested can occupy this slot through the forums), we shall vote by thread-reader. Everyone welcome to vote, but remember to say why you think. Consider using Google Maps or Google Earth or something, as the ports, harbors, airfields, and highways are all modeled in DCS and will be serve their implied purpose. There aren't many highways around these areas either.
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Negostrike posted:Man what the hell, I wouldn't mind being the commander if no one else is interested. I believe we should deny the invaders Punta Arenas, being a relatively major-ish city and I think it'd be a pain in the rear end to take it back. Alpha it is. You are it for now! You may ask about things, direct the movement, argue with me, or even change priorities. Don't artificially paint yourself into corners or imagined constraints, if that makes sense. Also, do not be shy about not knowing something. Ask how something is done, or perhaps when you need to know if, for example, the A-4 can do this or that, you ask the thread and the A-4 nerds will answer. You may choose to have thread readers give you their opinions, but final decision will be made by you. If you think at some point it is too much or taking your time, or you wish to opt out, feel free to say so and we'll assign someone else. Big decisions and questions should be done in the forums post here, but you can also ask about little things in the discord and talk about more airplane specific things. We will soon provide you with certain map planning tools and apps. From this point on, you are General Carlos, Peruvian Air Force, Supreme Commander SCAD. ---- Mederlock posted:I would be open to trying out the ground* commander role, provided I'd still be allowed to fly in the actual DCS missions. So be it! You are now Brigadier General Humberto of Argentine Army, Ejército Argentino, EA. This shall be a separate persona from your pilot self, no worries. You can absolutely still operate by having opinions in the thread, but I will not count an official tally of votes to make a decision on your behalf. You will soon get the unit previews of Argentine side, but here's a refresher on your bread and butter on the Chilean Army side. You command the combined armies. Chilean Army Preview in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4042524#post534825974 What does this mean? Dunno yet! Improvise and suggest. For now, you should think about how do you want these two brigades on these two AOs to prepare, and what road would you like to supply them from? You will, before the IRL gameday of 14 october, get a far more precise view of the ground. In addition, you will get the ability to state where you would like to place Air Defence Assets on the ground. You may write lore and if it involves major plot pieces, just DM me and I can let you know if we go there or not and if we can introduce something to the story or the game. --- We have a big role available for someone to command the combined armada as the naval commander, so a lurker, please stand up and volunteer! ---- Space Kablooey posted:Rabbit alpha. Denying airbases is critical at any point, even more so when the enemy isn't dug in. BurntCornMuffin posted:
The Punta Arenas airbase is currently within range of not only land fires from both sides, but basically in plinking range of MBTs. As it stands, the airbase is out of action. The runways where blocked with wrecks before the retreat, and even if the PLAGF or PLAN Coastal Engineers are allowed a respite to fix it, it's going to be insanely dangerous to even attempt air operations from by either side. The airbase as such is currently unuseable by fixed wing airplanes, and will be until a major push to one direction or the other. mlmp08 posted:Bravo is high risk, but very high reward. Alpha is lower risk and likely an easier way to attrit enemy force through interdiction, but much less reward. Correct, PLA controls the city of Punta Arenas. The frontline is a few miles north of the airport now, near Terminal Cabo Negro. There are very few roads here, Highway 9 is the principal supply road. The island hopping logistics are handled by ferries and helicopters, and there's a few bigger ships in there. There are possibly only one or two frigates in the Strait of Magellan, but we can soon expect more. The strait can accomodate anything up to a supercarrier, however. Anti-shipping missiles are a possibility. For those, I will require a broad strokes plan, and they will have to be flown in by cargo aircraft from Brazil in MSFS2020. Someone has to step up to do that.
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A fighting retreat across the narrowest point of the Strait of Magellan is definitely an option, near Puerto Progreso. If that is to happen, we need a plan from the commander of the armies in how that could be achieved with a mechanized brigade, or parts of it, and in what kind of timeline. If no plan is given, and the AO is also not prioritized, the resolution will be the destruction and or surrender of the Argentinian Mech Brigade there. Note the alarmingly low amount of roads here, too. 
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Kaal posted:
If you choose to be the naval commander, you are basically on Google Maps or one of the web-based planning maps directing where you want the three fleets and what they need to prioritize. That's discord-forums-web based gameplay. During gameday you can still spectate on Discord, and for example hover over the shoulder of your A-4 pilots and tell them how they don't fly good enough. Your presence on gameday is however not required.
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Kaal posted:In that case, I'd be happy to put on my commander's sombrero! «Irse a pique antes que rendir el pabellón!« Go down rather than surrender the flag - the Argentinian Navy motto Welcome Admiral Ileana Maria Sampaio, Argentina's first female admiral and the supreme commander of South American Combined Armada that comprises of the Chilean, Argentinian, and Brazilian Navies. Due to the weight of the conflict being on the eastern seaboard, the Armada de la República Argentina retains the prerogative for overall naval command.  The overall situation right now, on 12th of February, 2010. The picture is huge, so zoom in. You will also get better maps soon.  The Chilean Fleet is in the archipelago between grids WJ and WH, at coordinates: South 51 31, West 74 29 This archipelago offers excellent protection from enemy submarines, radar surveillance, and overall detection. It's this: Because the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, the Argentinian Colossus-class carrier was stuck on this side, it is now part of the Chilean fleet. It carries an Air Wing, the 3rd Fighter Bomber Squadron. (Callsign Ford) Right now it is 21x A-4 Skyhawk. This fleet has most of the large surface combatants of the Chilean Navy, and currently it has 1x submarine, the CNS O'Higgins, a Scorpene-class attack submarine. The carrier itself, the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo, is nothing to scoff at. It might be ancient, made originally in WW2, and relatively small, but the ability to bring 21 skyhawks somewhere is a capability that can still hit hard. It only has one catapult and the deck is narrow, so it does not sortie planes very fast, and recovery takes time, too. In addition, it has a few helicopters, and an amphibious assault reinforced-size company of Argentine Marines- ---------- Your second tool is the Argentinian Fleet. Currently getting serviced at San Julian port, at grid EF. It has most of the Argentinian large surface combatants, and once again 1x submarine, the ARA San Juan, S-42. This fleet's capital ship is the ARA La Argentina, an Almirante Brown Class destroyer. ---  Your third stick, the Brazilian Fleet. Its capital ship is your other carrier, NAeL Minas Gerais, another Colossus-class carrier. It has the airwing, VF-1: A-4 Skyhawk ( callsign Dodge). The MInair Gerais also carries 21 Skyhawks, a few helicopters, and a Brazlian Marine Infantry company of a reinforced size. For your awareness in what the A-4 does in real life and DCS, here's the effort post by Steak on the A-4 in this thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=534865345 The Brazilian fleet is currently rounding the elbow at Cabo Blanco, near grids KN and LN. It is will need some resupply before it is fully combat capable. This fleet has its own attack submarine, the Tupi-class submarine Tikuna, its name being a tribute to the South American indigenous tribe Tikuna who inhabit the western Amazonas. --- Besides this, you have two major supply convoys with oilers and refit ships, on both sides of the continent. The harbor situation isn't great because due to the loss of Punta Arenas and Ushuia and Port Williams, there is no western side port for you to use currently. On the eastern side, you have ports at Rio Gallegos, San Julian, and Santa Cruz. They are deep, but not efficient in taking care of this many ships at the same time. You also have two currently operational P-3 Orions from the Argentine Navy for surveillance.  THE REDFOR SITUATION: PLAN has the Falklands, and the ports in Rio Grande, Puerto Williams, Ushuia, to use for their sealift. They have three fleets of unknown size placed on intervals from the Falklands to the southern pole. PLAN submarines operate around some of these waters. ALLIED SITUATION: The Royal Navy, Royal Australian Navy, and the United States Navy all currently operate an unknown amount of submarines here. While they might require some assistance in ocean refit for example at some point, they however are extremely unlikely to tell us about their operations or locations. Consider the range of your A-4 Skyhawks from the locations of the carriers to the combat area. Consider if you wish to sail south at full speed with the Brazilian Fleet or if you wish to stop to refit it, and give two areas to perform P-3 surveillance in this thread to receive intel from those areas. Consider if you wish to send out your submarines, or retain them in fleet defence. Consider the fleet speeds, about 25 knots, in what you do. Hell, consider if you want to move some of your A-4s to ground bases? These should get you started. Good luck! Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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For Mederlock, the Army Commander at Beunos Aires Army General Staff, here is the MTOE for the Argentine Army.  The Brigade you have in the AO near Franco Bianco is the 11th Mechanized Brigade "Rio Gallegos".  ---------------- For the Chilean Army you currently have this as the MTOE:  The Brigade stuck there is the 4th Armored Brigade.  ---- You have multiple divisions at your disposal, as you can see. Currently they are being mobilized and re-organized and it will take a while to call up reservists. The mobilization started already weeks ago, but it's going at the speed of molasses. The first fully functional division you can expect to the south is the 5th Division of Punta Arenas from Chilean Army, and the 3rd Army Division of Bahia Blanca from the Argentine Army. We estimate this to be around 16-17th February 2010. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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I do prefer if big decisions and ruminations are here to make it observable by lurkers and those who just prefer to stay on the forums.
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Lord Stimperor posted:January 1. Happy New Year. Man, you thought it was poo poo then. That turned out to be wishful thinking, but what were you supposed to do? Buy a bunch of bitcoin, take one kid under each arm, and hike up to Santiago? You wish you'd done that. This was, as always, excellent.
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I want everyone, including your mother and her five cats, to weigh in!
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errorpost But check out these planes.  Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 1, 2023 |
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errorpost EDIT: But check out these planes? Uzi 7 in formation over Rio Gallegos. 
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