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JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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cr0y posted:

Pretty sure that Thomas is missing because one of the cases today had to do with judicial bribes and poo poo I think.

the case could specifically be about bribes paid to Clarence Thomas and he still would not recuse himself

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JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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TulliusCicero posted:

Don't know how relevant to the thread, but Biden told Bibi today to pound sand effectively if he decides to be an idiot about Iran

I feel this is huge: I can't remember a time where a US President actually attempted to rein Israel in, let alone say "hey if you get stupid with Iran, you are on your own"

I've really disliked Biden's stance on Israel thus far but yea this was good, apparently word is he talked Bibi out of launching a counterattack which I think would've really been a bad thing

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Ulf posted:

Posting to laff that $DJT is down double digits already today.

I thought after yesterday that the stock might firm up but I guess it’s harder to quiet the doubters and haters in your head when you’re holding a stock with zero fundamentals backing it.

isn't the fundamental that it's an easy way to funnel money to a very corrupt president (if he wins in 2024)

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Data Graham posted:

Whenever one of his poo poo ventures failed or his many marriages went on the rocks, the tabloids presented it as a great big pie in the face — for the richest and most successful man ever

Like in Victor/Victoria, when Julie Andrews is disguising herself as the Prince, a male drag queen: "They'll know he's a phony". "Precisely! They'll know HEEEEEEE'S a phony!!"


Why would they be making such a big deal about one of his casinos going under or his steak company tanking if it weren't a craaaaazy aberration?

That's the winning narrative they went with over and over and over, and nobody ever cottoned on that it was not just a series of aberrations but the entirety of his story. There'd be nothing to sell the public if it were just an incompetent self-aggrandizing narcissist who inherited a bunch of money and then squandered it on an inept crime-boss career

they went with it because Trump had personal relationships with a lot of people in media and often acted as his own source in a lot of these stories, which allowed him to sell the idea of being a rich and successful guy to NBC

the guy who actually wrote the Art of the Deal book talked a lot about this in 2016, the gist of it is he thinks his entire business empire is a lie and strongly regrets perpetuating that narrative

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Data Graham posted:

Let's not forget the power of nominative determinism with these "movies are real" type people. Trump hit the loving jackpot by lucking into being born with a name that basically means "the winning hand at cards". So all everyone hears is "rich casino playboy", like James Bond or David Niven or some poo poo

yeah it sucks I'm from Wisconsin and still play Sheepshead once in a while which revolves around "trump cards" and it makes me sick just saying it out loud

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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TulliusCicero posted:

Holy poo poo can no one one really find undeniable dirt on these 5 pieces of human waste

what difference would it make though

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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a lot of Trump's sidekicks come off like cartoon villains but Stephen Miller is particularly freaky, he's like a henchman for a literal demon. I'd be scared to be in a room with him.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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and like circling back to Melania - she so much resembled the stern Eastern European woman you always see with the international crimelord, the freaky part is she started dressing like it too. even like doing the all-black and red Christmas decorations, it came off as a straight up admission that she knows she's a villain. there are no normal looking people at Mar-a-Lago either.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Frank Frank posted:

Idk dude. Trumps entire ego hinges on his “vast wealth”. Getting to watch it crater in real time is pretty entertaining. We already knew he’s a borderline senile doddering grampa

for real one hosed up story I heard was when Comedy Central was doing the roast of him they asked him about what subjects it was okay and not okay to joke about and apparently the only thing he nixed were the jokes about him not being as rich as he claims to be, like apparently he had no problem whatsoever about the jokes regarding him wanting to gently caress his daughter

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Jimmy me boy, please don't read the TRUTH, oh what a mistake that would be

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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geeko55 posted:

It really is amazing to me how MAGA-types can simultaneously think that Trump should have immunity to do "things related to the election" and Biden shouldn't have the exact same "immunity", somehow. They really do just want a Republican God-King who's free to rule without oversight, but the moment it's a Democrat those same benefits applied to someone they don't like makes their heads explode.

I get that there's no making sense of it both ways, but it is boggling how many people ignore reality if they don't like what it means to them.

its actually really easy to understand: mentally they are about 8 years old. my son uses this kind of logic to explain why he should get to pick what we watch on TV and his sister cant.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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last night's episode of Jimmy Kimmel was pretty good. he spent a lot of time inferring that Trump wears diapers which suggests to me his writing staff is mostly goons

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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cr0y posted:

Yea everything we have seen out of this judge tells me that he is not going to put up with any loving bullshit and goddamn is that refreshing.

I think most judges are like that, I served on a jury once and the judge was incredibly protective of us. as a lot of people have said criminal court is probably the only place in the country where Trump's usual bullshit won't work

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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redshirt posted:

I feel strongly that everyone should serve a jury if called and is able to, and while I hate Trump, I think I could be fair in a trial of him that only is about specific facts.

when I served it was a pretty insane and emotionally charged case and I really do think all of us tried as hard as we could to be impartial and give him every possible angle we could before declaring him incredibly guilty. I don't think personal biases are gonna factor into this as much as everyone thinks it will

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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cr0y posted:

Lmao have you ever seen a trump supporter? It only takes one chud to completely zone out during the entire trial and mash the TOTAL EXONERATION button to gum this all up.

bona fide Trump supporters aren't savvy enough to lie their way onto the jury

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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greazeball posted:

The most important thing abaout the case and the jurors is that the prosecution is not going to bring this if there isn't crystal clear ironclad evidence of what they're accusing him of. This isn't going to be a Perry Mason "just get him on the stand and hope he makes a mistake" kind of deal. It's going to be, "Here are your company records from the month in question, they show $150,000 paid to Michael Cohen. In the same month, Michael Cohen sent $150,000 to an account owned by Stomy Daniels. This was a bribe, and he was convicted of bribery and sent to jail for 12 months for this act." "Here is an email from Mr Cohen saying..." They're not going to question him or look for a gotcha, they got him and the jury just has to follow the judges instructions: does the evidence indicate that a crime was committed? 34 times. "Did he really know it was a crime?" and "Is bribery really a crime?" are not things the jury will be asked to decide. AG is not bringing a case this big just hoping that they get a sympathetic jury.

yeah what's wild about this and the other criminal cases he's got going is that he's so clearly guilty, even based solely on information that's already public. there's no real defense and that's why his team can't even put one up, outside of "the President should be allowed to do this". there's so much evidence and people have ALREADY gone to jail for doing his bidding. had he made any real effort to cover his tracks at all I wonder if any of this would even be happening.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Data Graham posted:

If anyone just sits there obstinately crossing his arms and refusing to convict, it'll become obvious right away and they'll have to do the trial over with a new jury, so Trump ends up in court for the rest of the year lol

right, plus all the stuff Trump and FOX are doing right now to intimidate jurors is only gonna make things take longer, which for Trump is a real problem. the polls are starting to go the wrong direction for him and his fundraising numbers are in the toilet. the election is 7 months away. he needs to be out there campaigning. the longer the image is out there of Trump as a guy on trial for a crime he is clearly guilty of the worse it's gonna be for him.

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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HappyHippo posted:

You've got to wonder how many of these Republican reps are hoping they lose their majority in November. They want to keep their seat, obviously, but it's so much more relaxing when you don't have to actually govern. You can lie and grandstand and vote against saving puppies or whatever and go home for the weekend.

they don't govern now! hasn't this incarnation of Congress passed less bills than any in history?

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Lifespan posted:

The defense 100% has to lean on ignorance. It has already been proven that the Cohen paid her off and then stretched out the payment over months charged as legal expenses. That is a fact. The only thing the defense can say is that Cohen acted on his own without Trump's knowledge. This is all Cohen's fault, he has already been prosecuted, so we are done here. But as mentioned, the DA wouldn't be going after Trump if they didn't have some hard evidence that he knew this was happening or might have even requested this exact "service." By leaning in on Cohen, even if Trump is found guilty, it means during sentencing they can lean even further in to Cohen being the real villain and Trump's penalty should be little to nothing.

if there's one thing we know about Trump it's that he leaves piles of evidence and if there's one thing we know about Cohen it's that he's very pissed at Trump

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Lifespan posted:

His people spinning that this was intentional and secret code is still one of my biggest :lol:

Dilbro was saying something like "he did this on purpose because he knew America was stressed out and needed a laugh" which is what convinced me the Dilbert guy was actually just an insane person

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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wild how those really bizarre Chef Boyadee "Dilbert 2" and "Dilbert 3" videos turned out to be a pretty accurate representation of what's actually going on in Scott Adams' head at any given moment

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Toxic Mental posted:

I don’t think anyone would really give a poo poo if he hid some payment for sex, but considering how he’s on tape agreeing that it needs to be hidden due to the campaign, uh yeah it’s a campaign crime

people were still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt as a not-entirely-horrible person back in 2016, had this story broken in October instead of more Hillary email poo poo he almost certainly would have lost which would've probably saved about 300,000 people from dying of Covid, indirectly making Stormy Daniels the greatest American since Jonas Salk

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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TulliusCicero posted:

300,000?

It would have saved probably at least 700,000 at minimum

People seriously do not know how hosed Trump's response to COVID truly was. We lost over a million people, that's reported, and chud states stopped reporting.

No other country remotely comes close to our COVID fatalities.

I do genuinely think that America's gently caress you I won't do what you tell me attitude would've gotten tons of people killed regardless of who was in office but Trump dismantling the pandemic response team just because it was Obama's thing almost certainly led to a large number of people dying horrible deaths and for that he is probably the one American who truly deserves the death penalty

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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TulliusCicero posted:

He killed more Americans than the loving Civil War or WW2

Let that sink in: people want to vote for a guy more devastating to American human life than the loving Civil War

he only needed say "stay at least 6 feet away from each other, me boys" instead he was looking around at ice cream trucks stuffed with corpses and going "wow that was a huge mistake"

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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gwarm01 posted:

It's amazing when you think about how many people still consider Covid to have been overblown or a hoax. Even disregarding that fact that we all lived through it just a few years back, what kind of cognitive dissonance does it take to just ignore the fact that over 1 million people died from this? I know people who have had personal friends, relatives, coworkers etc. die and they still dismiss it as being not that big of a deal.

they only died because the doctors were instructed personally to murder them in order to receive a kickback

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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they did a pretty good bit on Kimmel last night playing the newest Lara Trump single for a bunch of teenagers and telling them it was Taylor Swift lmao

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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NoiseAnnoys posted:

this goon watches Jimmy Kimmel, lol.

yeah he's funny

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Strong Sauce posted:

Of course I can be objective. But he's obviously guilty so unless the prosecution punts this case worse than the OJ Simpson prosecutors, I can be impartial (because he's guilty).

its pretty wild that even the defense seems to be openly staking their hopes on a rogue juror, doesnt seem like a good sign

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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reminds me of the trial I was a juror on, the prosecutors had a rock solid case and mountains of evidence to the point where we were openly discussing who the defense could possibly call to help him out and they wound up calling his ex-roommate as a character witness who basically said "uhhh yeah I dunno I was playing Call of Duty most of the time. I did hear yelling sometimes but I didn't really want to check it out"

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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I find it hard to believe a man just starts on fire the instant Trump starts farting in the courtroom

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aThzc5oKlBc

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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it is pretty crazy that they're going on with this even though every legal scholar says there's no case here

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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this guy seems addicted to dog and cat if you catch my drift

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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is "Trump farted in court" on the news because if so loving lmao he's gonna be driven so nuts by that

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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"His lawyers are struggling with the smell" is not only a hilarious thing for a news account to tweet out it would also be a fantastic title for a book about this whole ordeal

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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why what's happening tomorrow

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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idiotsavant posted:

And yes, if Trump had just paid Stormy directly I assume it would have been perfectly legal except then he’d be going into the 2016 election with a porn star payment scandal on his hands.

wasnt he paying her to keep quiet? who would have known about this then?

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Argyle posted:

If he hadn’t been running for president, probably no one aside from the lawyers who drafted the NDA. His desire to be president exposed him to journalists digging around more than usual. Maybe we never would have heard of it if he hadn’t run in 2016.

A hubris lol.

right, but we didn't hear about it during the 2016 election, so I'm assuming it wouldn't have come up at all had he just paid her out of pocket

JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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Rivethead posted:

I honestly think it will be hung jury after hung jury after hung jury ad infinitum and that will wear on him tremendously. I'm ok with it.

what happens in this case? it's already pretty evident that Trump's defense sucks and that he's clearly guilty, but if there's one rogue Trumper on the jury then what? is the case dismissed or do they try it again with a new jury?

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JAMOOOL
Oct 18, 2004

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MrMojok posted:

I think we all agree that yes, there’s a segment of the population that would get pretty fired up if he got jailed.

yeah and they're 100% Trump voters already

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