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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

wait, you can just...make threads?

Spin the wheel, see what happens.

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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

RBA Starblade posted:

This is America. We need to elect an Idiot President.

The Idiot Electoral College - each subforum is allotted votes to vote a Idiot President for USCE.

I will vote for the person who will personally probe chain the people I don't like. In no way will this come back to haunt me.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

haveblue posted:

This seems really unfair and dilutes the power of the high-population forums

Pet Island will not be ignored. Nor will the good people of Poker is Totally Rigged.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1752914377395851642

This is like, struggling state party numbers....

It should be pointed out, at least from what I've heard and experienced, is that the RNC has far less control and influence over its members than the DNC/DTrip/DNC. Mostly because the Republican have more self funders and use the PAC structure more than the Democratic party does.

It's still not great for them and you know party infrastructure does matter to a degree but less so than in the past.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

koolkal posted:

Well you have a point, Biden never brought us to the brink of conflict, he dove right into a conflict.

*Trump at the very least expanded drone warfare into Somalia and oh yah, restricted reporting on drone strikes.
*"Alleged civilian deaths in Iraq and Syria skyrocketed under Trump's four years in office to more than 13,000
*Trump had an on the ground NAVY Seals raid Yemen.
*Let's not forget the raid in Niger that got swept under the rug in 2017 that we all collectively decided was not worth investigating.

Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Feb 3, 2024

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

koolkal posted:

When did this happen?

Sorry he assassinated an Iranian general in Iraq, I thought it was in Iran.

edit: And it almost started a hot war, Iran showed the greater restraint.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

metachronos posted:

I am not an econ expert and am in fact a moron but. It seem like the high interest rates are used as a tool to encourage people to save money or borrow less, thus slowing velocity and reducing prices. But it's hard to see how people are supposed to do that when everyone's money is going towards rent and food which cost a fuckton now.

Is that too reductive?

Also, (in theory) it should force businesses to make safer bets as there is less free money floating around.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Do y’all seriously think that “left economically and racist” is some unicorn position? Need I remind you who FDR compromised with to pass the New Deal?

Yah but often in the media write large they don't talk about that as the moderate position but to your point everyone the fiscally conservative/liberal social runs for office they barely break through.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

D-Pad posted:

I feel like the more his age becomes an issue the more likely they are to replace Harris with someone more liked (lol I don't know who) because that's really the only response they could do even if it's a half assed one. Basically saying ok you are worried about Biden's age, here's a VP candidate you'd be happy with taking over if it comes down to it.

Replacing Biden would of caused a Democratic Civil War as Newsome and Harris would of claimed whatever apparatus is there. Biden can't hand the Presidency to her as it makes Harris look illegitimate. The only way, morbidly admittedly, that Harris gets a boost and a shot to win in 2024 is if Biden dies between now and election day.

Also, Nikki Haley tried the age argument and it didn't drive anyone to vote for her in droves.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Senate Cum Dump posted:

Number of drone strikes is hardly the only or most important metric for judging a president's foreign policy. I would point instead towards Biden's saber-rattling toward China and Russia--quite a bit more than saber rattling you could argue, but ratcheting up tensions in general. Also, y'know, the genocide in Gaza. There's no guarantee that Trump would be all that much better but given his interest in making "deals" I think he might be more open to sending Jared Kushner to work with the Saudis and pressure Netanyahu into a ceasefire.

I'm not advocating anyone vote for Trump. There's a difference between not voting for Biden and actively voting for Trump. However, I think having a disinterested isolationist clown in charge might be better than a China hawk and rabid Zionist, at least for foreign policy.

*He bombed Iraq to assassinate an Iranian and only by the grace of Iranian leaders did that not go fully hot.
*Trump at the very least expanded drone warfare into Somalia and oh yah, restricted reporting on drone strikes.
*"Alleged civilian deaths in Iraq and Syria skyrocketed under Trump's four years in office to more than 13,000
*Trump had an on the ground NAVY Seals raid Yemen.
*Let's not forget the raid in Niger that got swept under the rug in 2017 that we all collectively decided was not worth investigating.

Mooseontheloose fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Feb 11, 2024

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
Man of Peace - Donald Trump

quote:

Former President Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that, while president, he told the leaders of NATO countries that he would “encourage” Russia “to do whatever the hell they want” to countries that had not paid the money they owed to the military alliance.

quote:

But he has also called on the United States to “make an agreement” to end the war in Ukraine by ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia, comments that were seen by some as an appeal to American conservatives to block further involvement in the war.

Some European officials and foreign policy experts have said they are concerned that Russia could invade a NATO nation after its war with Ukraine concludes, fears that they say are heightened by the possibility of Mr. Trump returning to the presidency.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

socialsecurity posted:

This would require them knowing why you voted for a third party. Also for that third party's positions to be popular enough to gain votes while also not losing you votes for abandoning your previous position.

Also to know where those 3rd party votes came from. If they came from Trump Land USA, it's more a problem for Republican's than it is for Democrats.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
The RFK ad also appeals to a voter base that is small and getting smaller by the day. Like 20 years ago, it would of been an interesting idea for an ad but now it doesn't resonate.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

Possibly. His big mistake was trying to run as a Dem when he clearly has no real connection to the party or what the Dem base wants

I mean, yes that too and now Republican's are mad because he's taking away R votes.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
as someone who likes to play poker and put like $50 into a site at the start of the NFL season, yah some sort of strict regulation is needed. Advertising limits and money limits are for sure starters.

I am in a weird spot with gambling, I like going to casinos but I'd never want one near my community after seeing like Atlantic City. But online at least feels like it won't physically destroy a community.

it's me, I am the NIMBY.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I read a story that talked about how much Williamsburg (NY) has gentrified over the years. While gentrification is not great, how would one counteract the process? You can't prevent folks from moving to new places, so I guess something to do with housing maybe?

I don't want to say gentrification is a natural phenomenon but it's fairly close as you say, people want to move to a place with opportunity and affordable housing. In the US gentrification happened over time from the 70s to the 90s when white flight made city housing much cheaper. The answer for the most part is to not only preserve the housing that exists in these communities but to expand and make multi-income housing.

Other ideas you could do:
-Flipping tax
-Vacancy taxes
-expand housing options in suburbia

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

bird food bathtub posted:

It's coming from this pack of assclowns, so the immediate default reaction needs to be "What are they lying about now?"

Personally I'm betting on this being OMG BORDER IN CRISIS CARAVANS OF FENTANYL ARE ON THE WAY RIGHT NOW EXPECTED TO ARRIVE IN NOVEMBER BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID.

Going for Bengahzi 2: 2Bens 2Ghazis.

But asking Biden to declassify something means there is an intelligence report they are trying to get their hands on?

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Quorum posted:

No, the House and Senate Intel Committees already have whatever clearances they'd need to see whatever this is, they presumably want either a) for stuff to be declassified so they can yell about it in public or b) for stuff not to be declassified so they can yell about the very spooky things they've read but you haven't, just trust us guys.

The our allies wording is weird here though. If it's mirgrant related, our allies could give less of a poo poo. So, it limits it to me three things:

1. Israel and Hamas - so probably a way to axe humanitarian aid to Gaza?
2. Ukraine - Try to sink the ukraine portion of bills.
3. Taiwan - because wildcard?

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
CNN says its related to Russia.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Watch the documentary Goldeneye starring Pierce Brosnan. You move the nuke into position and detonate it in space to create an EMP that destroys all satellites/electronic devices in a large area.

This doesn't require any targeting system for hitting constantly moving satellites and guarantees that you won't miss.

But all my credit would be gone so really 006 was a hero, I say go space nuke.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Angry_Ed posted:

It feels weird to ask this but how much of this whole "no primary to the incumbent" sentiment is also couched in the disaster that was the 1980 election when you had people like Ted Kennedy try to primary Carter and that, among many other things, eventually leading to 12 years of GOP control of the executive branch?

Granted that was over 40 years ago and I don't know how that would factor in at all, other than a lot of higher-up Democrats back then are still around.

If you wanted to mount a challenge to Joe Biden you would have to start last year and aside from the fact you're trying to primary the incumbent President, you have another problem, you'd have to push Harris out of the way too.

I've had my friends ask my why not Gavin Newsome or (Younger Democrat Here) go and run and you basically would cause a Democratic civil war and could cause the party to be even weaker with a Trump run on the horizon. The narrative would of been awful relitigating 2020 and Dems in Disarray, who has the heart of the party, why are the dumping Joe Biden, ect. And if you are the would be challenger, whose giving you the time of day or funding to do this? The safer play for 2028 hopefuls is to build now and if a lane forms in the next two years.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Zwabu posted:

I had a thought. Most of us, including me, are mainly worried about the electoral outcome where Trump wins in November.

What actually happens if he loses? Even if the GOP has decided “no loving way are we running an 81 year old Trump as our candidate in 2028”, what happens if he decides he does not want to go away and continues to demand to be kingmaker, take all GOP donations to himself etc.

After completely knuckling under to him at every turn, do they finally tell him, in a public way, to gently caress off? Or do they continue being the Trump party and suck up to him and just privately hope he dies before 2028?

The issue the GOP/The American right have is that they're in a nightmare of their own creation. They cozied up to racist and Christian dominionist post LBJ and in exchange the business wing got lower taxes and deregulation. The play of course to hide the racism to make themselves palatable for the media and squishy middle. Trump than destroyed that dream by putting that wing front and center and they don't know how to give it up. Coupled with suburban moms that are both diversifying and is trying to avoid culture war stuff, they are going to have to give up one prong but they can't if they want to have a chance at power.

Giving up the white nationalist vote means losing white males and some rural significance and power that you get disproportionate power with the United States. Give up the business wing and you lose the ability to fund your campaigns and realistically, the Northeast Republicans of keep taxes low but socially don't say anything are dead and buried so what's to be gained.

They need someone who can either unite these tribes or come with a new vision (or eat into the Democrats big tent) and that is not easy. The best play probably, is to liberalize on the border (giving up the white nationalists) but maybe getting the Spanish speaking community behind you, with a new business class.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Will advertising matter? Trump generates his own headlines and nobody is voting who doesn't already have a Trump based opinion.

Traditional advertising as we know it is getting cheaper but the campaigns I have been working on have made the switch to digital which they see as more effective.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

This is what CNN is focusing on? Real hard hitting journalism there.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Mustang posted:

These are the same people that complain about coastal liberal "elites" looking down on them.

Hard not too with the utterly repulsive way they live their lives.

This also reminds me that in 2016 we were all told we were living in a bubble and they we don't understand these people, we have to make the attempt. Never the other way around mind you, that's not how this works.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Main Paineframe posted:


The problem isn't that the Dems aren't helping the working class, the problem is that the working class seems to be convinced that instead of government investment and involvement in the economy, they'd rather have tax cuts, privatization, and the dismantling of affirmative action. The working class back culture war stuff because they think that culture war stuff is what people need!

I think we want to distinguish that the white working class here. And even then, it's still skewed to the Democrats. The white small business owners however...

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

socialsecurity posted:

Marking all the Trump voters as poor people is a very important step to blaming "the libs" for Trump and everything the Republicans have done and ever will do. Doesn't matter how many times it's shown they aren't really the poor people and most poor/minority people vote Democrat.

It is wealthy and uneducated that really tipped to Trump.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
Bring back startec non-smart phones.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Riptor posted:

you say this as a joke but even when I was in high school 400 years ago in the early 2000s and had a non-smartphone, this was absolutely on my mind and I don't begrudge current students for not wanting to be separated from their devices due to a potential emergency situation

I got a cell phone at 16, I think in 2000. And it was basically a parent tracking device to know where I was. I think priory to the ubiquity of texting and cameras, it was nice to have on you.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

GlyphGryph posted:

Eh, I'd argue plenty of voters are irrational, in that their votes absolutely don't line up with their values and knowledge, although they're irrational in the normal human "Using lovely heuristics in place of thinking things through because they don't like to actually think about things like that and have other poo poo going on in their life" and "saying and doing things in ways that they vibe with emotionally without any real thought as to what the consequences are likely to be" ways.

This might be splitting hairs, its more about prioritization. Voters will choose prioritize things that they think are important that we (I would say correctly) deem as not important. But they value the things they value.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
I am probably going to eat a probe for this but it feels like the people who were never going to vote for the Democrats and Joe Biden never want to acknowledge anything good a Democratic President does because that would mean having to acknowledge that progress can be made under the Democratic Party. All one has to do is look at BIF or the IRA and see that it's like 70% of the Green New Deal. Or the fact that they are doing loan forgiveness, or insulin price cost reductions, or having the government negotiate certain drug prices via Medicare and Medicaid. I am not saying that any of this means that is was enough or is a panacea but it's progress.

I agree the American government should stop providing lethal aid to Israel but it also denies the agency of the Israeli government and so we have the thing happening. People who never had intentions to vote for Biden or the Democrats coming in here saying this it's the fault of the Democrats. It comes across as the people who vote Libertarian because they don't want to be seen supporting mainstream politics because they are just so much smarter than all of us.

I am not saying you have to vote for the Democratic party, do what you want but it's tiring to argue with people who have no intention to see what Biden did domestically in two years go, nah that doesn't count because I don't feel it counts.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

Oh she will absolutely go be a lobbyist

She's going to join No Labels and talk about how awful it is that no one listens to common sense ideas.

Main Paineframe posted:

Finishing in third place for her own Senate seat would have been a death knell to any kind of relevance she could ever expect to have. Given how dire her polling numbers are, it makes sense to save herself the humiliation and pretend she's bowing out on her own terms.

It allows her to still have in roads with the Democratic party too. She didn't nuke the party, she decided not to run and didn't hurt anyone.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:


There's a difference between polling being non-predictive right now vs. all polling being meaningless right now.

Yah, I agree what it does say is where the Biden campaign * might * have problems. But the Biden campaign communication won't hit until early summer, maybe late spring. Voters, in general, won't pay attention until after labor day about the election.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Jaxyon posted:

All northern white liberals had to do was not be cowardly racists, but welp

Eric Adams isn't white.

More substantively, at least Maura Healey said that administration should expedite work petitions so they can find places for people to work legally. Apparently, a hospital in the North Shore of MA is now fully staffed thanks to the migrants. And I thought it was a crappy play anyways in the sense that coastal cities have been hosting immigrants for a long time.

The problem of course is we don't have enough housing in general and migrants are getting unfairly blamed.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

US Foreign Policy posted:

So, this seems like maybe a silly question, but is there any general thread consensus on who Trump's VP pick will be? Its hard to remember since it was at least 15 years ago, but Trump played up his VP selection and made an announcement like it was a big reveal in 2016. In reading through the wiki it seems like a lot of 'good' VP picks refused to be a part of the Trump campaign at all, like John Kasich and Bob Porter. As much as I believe that Nikki Haley's entire weird vanity run was an attempt to get in Trump's good graces I dont think she has a chance and will vanish the second Trump comes up with a mean nickname for her.


My money is on Tim Scott. No personality, complete sponge, will never outshine the big wet president, person of color he can prop up for his racism.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Failed Imagineer posted:

Lol, this is pretty good stuff. I don't even really care if he's sundowning there or just loving with the interviewer, it's good entertainment

Catskills Joe

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

I feel like when i read about serial killers getting caught these days it’s old cases being solved thanks to people putting their family DNA into those genealogy databases. That was how the Golden State Killer eventually got caught.

That case also had me believe that some of these "unsolved" cases were law enforcement or family of law enforcement and won't investigate further for fear of embarrassment.

Also, as bad as police are now hearing how some officers handled girls going missing in the 70s and 80s is awful. Sure, that 14 year old went to hang out with her 35 year old boyfriend and you definitely shouldn't do anything about that.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

Like I don't think the Zodiac case is going to ever get solved at this point. All of the potential suspects are now dead I believe, and I'm not sure if there is any surviving DNA evidence from the crime scenes.

If there's no DNA, and the suspects and any potential witnesses are either dead or now unreliable due to age, it's not going to happen

I think another aspect now is the computers are all interconnected. So if you put into your computer: women, age, and how they died it will pull up other similar cases and police are (maybe) quicker to put all of it together.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
Isn;t the bigger thing here that no one told the road crew to evacuate? Like emergency services were able to close down with the warning but forgot the people working?

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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

theCalamity posted:

https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1775195325612847553?s=46

Has there ever been 100% approval for anything among a demographic like this before?

I hope that this would influence the decisions Biden makes regarding Israel but I’m not gonna hold my breath that Genocide Joe will suddenly reverse course due to polling. 25% is a pretty substantial number and his winning of the state was pretty small.

Any poll that has anyone agreeing 100% on an issue, is likely horseshit even if I agree with what they are saying.

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