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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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It is spring (by the meteorological calendar), so I'm freshening up the OP with a new thing where I post from some book I'm reading contains something unexpectedly relevant to current events, so here's one from Folk devils and moral panics by Stanley Cohen, where he discusses the tipping point where a simple moral panic (which may come from something genuinely terrible, like the murder of Jamie Bulger, but goes in a stupid direction, like mass blaming of horror VHS tapes) and outright group hatred (which is what starts pogroms).

The part where he draws the line is a good look at the 00s prequal to SMOL BOTES and ends up slamming both major parties and every British paper repeatedly.

The First Botes posted:

In tabloid rhetoric, especially the Daily Mail (whose campaign of vilification is too deliberate and ugly to be seen as a mere moral panic), the few nuances in these assumptions disappear:
the untypical is made typical; the insulting labels are applied to all. (The bogus/genuine dichotomy appeared also in 58 per cent of all relevant articles over 1990–1995 in The Guardian, The Independent and The Times; one-third of Guardian and Independent references either criticized this idea or were citing others.)

This area is crucially different from my other six examples.

First, although there have been intermittent panics about specific newsworthy episodes, the overall narrative is a single, virtually uninterrupted message of hostility and rejection. There is a constant background screen, interspersed with vivid little tableaux: Tamils at the airport, stripping in protest; Kurds clinging to the bottom of Eurostar trains; Chinese suffocating to death in a container lorry.
Second, these reactions are more overtly political than any others – not just because the problem is caused by global political changes, but because the reactions have a long history in British political culture. Moreover, successive British governments have not only led and legitimated public hostility, but spoken with a voice indistinguishable from the tabloid press.

The media’s lexicon of verbal abuse has kept up a constant level of bigotry. A recent analysis shows Scottish newspapers highlighting the same negative words and racial stereotypes; presenting asylum myths as fact; openly hostile about the presence of asylum seekers in Britain and openly suggesting they go back to their country of origin. (Note though that only 44 percent of references were judged as wholly negative, 21 per cent as balanced and 35 per cent as positive.)

[there's a giant list of hateful headlines 1992-2002 here]

The immediate effects of such sustained venom are easy to imagine, but harder to prove. In three days in August 2001 a Kurdish asylum seeker was stabbed to death on a Glasgow housing estate and two other Kurds attacked.
The UNHCR issued a statement saying that this was predictable given the ‘climate of vilification of asylum seekers that has taken hold in the UK in recent years’. This branding has become so successful that the words ‘asylum seeker’ and ‘refugee’ have become terms of abuse in school playgrounds.

In May 2002, the Labour government announced a new round of plans under the slogan of ‘zero acceptance’: shut the Sangatte refugee camp on the French side of the Channel Tunnel; intercept boats carrying illegals; speed up deportation procedures.

I'm getting a vivid vision of the near future. :stonk:

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learnincurve posted:

Need something added to every OP. DWP have been told not to tell sanctioned people about this.

If you get sanctioned then to prevent your housing and council tax benefits falling like a house of cards, and in some case get access to a utility bill fund, call your local council for a "Nil Income Form".


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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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bluesky user vore dot sex more wholesome than any mainstream UK media

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I hate his stupid hat so much. Why does he wear it all the time? Take off the hat.
Make him run away from a big boulder.

Alternatively make him a Rabbi, iirc there's a precursor of the Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know etc. meme in the Talmud.

e: ^^ ah, he's already running away from a big balder

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Rarity posted:

Every time I see news of Russell Brand and he's still not become a cult leader I get very confused
He's definitely trying but he's bad at it.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Yeah, as pointed out in the previous thread, the other two top contenders were also absolute shite.

sebzilla posted:

"I'm voting for the guy who was bombed out of the Labour Party in disgrace. No, not that one. Not that one either. Yeah, him."

It's a very weird contest. The cat in the hat winning his second by-election would in some ways be the least surprising thing about it.

Still, lol, lmao

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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From a midday phone chat with my da: "The man's an unpleasant testicle, but he was right about Iraq and better than anyone else running."

Imagine, if you will, a whole by election of candidates who make George Galloway look like the good option. :lmao:

4 is the number of indecent images Simon Danczuk sent to a 17 year old intern.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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It was a whole election of bigoted conspiracy theorists and sex perverts, and people backed the one who was right once and wears a hat.

It's nothing for anyone to be proud of, but the people who should be most ashamed are those who couldn't find anyone better than George to stand.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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He did the same with Alex Salmond, iirc. Very sus in a "who will speak up for George when the lizard elite uncover myfalsely accuse me of sex crimes" way.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

He is partly correct in that it is a bit poo poo how the press keeps quiet about these things until its convenient.

However 'he was being blackmailed over the rapes he did' still does not detract from the rapes he did.
More than just the press, when Brand was famous and had connections the police were intimidating his victims. It was a Savile-type situation where it's very hard for anyone affected to be public about anything.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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*Paul Mason enters the arena and trips over*

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Apraxin posted:

i was very tickled on finding out that a canadian alternative term for 'shadow minister' is 'critic'

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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mrpwase posted:

The 19th century, or east Yorkshire
Quiz category: "places that still use thee/thou"

We would have also accepted Quakers or the state of Utah.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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e: ^^ Thou shalt not fedele kides *southern baptist convention implodes*

smellmycheese posted:

I hope he doesn’t. Him pulling sad faces next to the Monster Raving Loony candidate on election night when Crobbo crushes him will be one of the highlights.
Definitely hope to see him standing deflated next to a novelty candidate with a bin on their head or dressed a bit like

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

And how offensively petit-bourgeoise the English green's* messaging is.

* I understand Scot Greens are doing better, having been infiltrated by pod anarchist James.
I think the Green candidate went on a bit of a BNP rant and got dropped too.

Wait no, on further reading they had decided to be racist a number of years ago.

Manchester Evening News posted:

The Green Party candidate for the Rochdale by-election has 'decided to leave the stage' - following 'regrettable' social medics posts made 'a number of years ago'.

Guy Otten - one of 11 candidates announced last week - said his name will appear on the ballot on February 29, but that he will not be campaigning.

He did not expand on the content of the social media posts, nor did the party.

The retired lawyer and tribunal judge said: "The Green message is too urgent and too important to be distracted by some regrettable social media posts I made a number of years ago. In the interests of the Green Party I have decided to leave the stage.

"As nominations have now closed, my name will still appear on the ballot. However, I will not take part in any media interviews or join any platforms for hustings, and neither will I be involved in any campaigning.

"I am really delighted that the Green Party is on the verge of making major breakthroughs in a number of constituencies in the next general election. Strong Green representation in parliament is needed now more than ever."

A Green Party spokesperson said: "The Rochdale Green Party candidate has said that he has 'decided to leave the stage' following social media posts made some years ago. As nominations have now closed, his name will still appear on the ballot. However, he will not take part in any campaigning between now and polling day.

"We do not comment on disciplinary matters regarding Green Party members. These are internal matters."

So it was a circus all round by the sounds of it, and the sour bollock in a trilby was the best of all possible candidates.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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serious gaylord posted:

Doing all my best sharia law moves.
I'm married to four women and have to commute everywhere by bicycle lane :mad:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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sebzilla posted:

It's going to be a funny few months
Yeah the man is a bawbag in a brimmed hat but nobody else in Parliament would be throwing that at Rishi.

Bobstar posted:

But during
National Brotherhood Week...
Ah, the week they shot and killed Malcolm on the first day of.

Ghosts Love Wubs posted:

I would definitely hope more people register to vote by post just to avoid the photo ID scheme. As someone who works in the realm of elections I can say I have not heard any rumbles about plans to do so, so far its mostly just back patting on a "job well done" with the Photo ID scheme irritatingly.
I'm registered for postal since it got brought in. I'm sure that most of the volunteers are lovely people but I don't want them seeing any of my ID.

Tesseraction posted:

just wanted to say I've always hated you boris

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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The more that time passes, the more I keep confusing him with Matt LeBlanc.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Every other candidate self-implodes over racist conspiracy theory posts and unsolicited dick pics.
George:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Very much a Naomi Klein/Naomi Wolf doppelganger scenario going on there.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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bessantj posted:

What are goons favourite essay collections?
Steve Biko's I Write What I Like.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Miftan posted:

I feel like given naanchat, this thread would enjoy a malawach. It's sort of like Partha, but from Yemen, and I have no idea where to get it in the UK. You're welcome.
Sending George Galloway with a briefcase handcuffed to him to get me some good breads.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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It was originally Otto von Bismarck, so I guess we're getting more shitey culture wars.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Just Another Lurker posted:

gently caress Hitler.
John Cockwood disapproves of this extremism.

Bad news for Sir Keir and Michael Gove:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Lib Dem official opposition would be very funny, and a better foil for Labour authoritarianism than the Tories, although with those kind of numbers it doesn't much matter.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Andrew Bridgen looking at his family potato farm:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Jedit posted:

People saying that they're willing to support an act of immense harm to the UK because it would be funny is a part of why we're no longer in the EU.

2020 amazing year for Britain etc etc

Tesseraction posted:

Fuckin less than 5 percent Liz failing upwards into this kind of position says all you need to know about the sensible new Labour Party.
Even though she's a nearby MP she's so notable that I keep confusing her with the other Liz who thinks you can deregulate people into work.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Failed Imagineer posted:

No one's asking you to?
When life gives you lemons

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

However in recent years, they've been giving me these lovely little salamol generics that crap out after a few activations, and something in their composition gives me palpitations and makes me feel extremely jittery after using them (I have a similar problem with caffeine and a bunch of other medications).

I can't find anything specifying the difference apart from an asthma forum claiming (unsourced) that the generics use ethanol? Apparently if the prescription specifically says ventolin you can get the older style so I might try that, but it does mean running the gauntlet of trying to get through to the GP surgery.
Crapping out after a few activations + giving you the symptoms of a significantly higher than normal dose implies to me that the metering system is overdosing you and you should speak to the pharmacist about that asap

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Public taps that wine comes out of
Finally a Labour policy I can get behindunder.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Libel Farage

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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The man who used to sing Hitler Youth songs? Who believes in the Great Replacement conspiracy theory and calls things he doesn't like "cultural marxism"? He's accusing people of subscribing to an antisemitic conspiracy theory?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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ThomasPaine posted:

Galloway is a baffling politician to me. Like maybe 60% his takes are actually very on point, but the remainder are absolute horseshit. He seems generally alright on foreign policy and economics but dear god he can be pretty reactionary socially and the gleeful transphobia is grim. I don't know how much of this is actually what he genuinely believes and how much is him actively playing to religious conservatives in his constituency, but I guess that's besides the point. I do think he's a narcissist, and he's clearly primarily interested in George Galloway first and foremost.

Still, many problematic issues aside, he's consistently been good on Palestine and he's positioning himself as a left-wing populist, so if nothing else it'll be good to have someone in the commons actually calling the centrists out, and it's nice to see the major parties losing their minds about him. I'm interested to see how things play out.
For both good and ill, he's like if you made a golem out of shite and filled its head with the letters page of the Morning Star.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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The Lords Spiritual have been some of the most vocally opposed to the Rwanda bill so will lol if Rishi tries to scrap the magic granddads and ends up disestablishing the Church.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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The National American Woman Suffrage Association and Women's Christian Temperance Union were instrumental in getting segregation laws passed in the American South, leading to separate 'white' and 'colored' washrooms, so they might be anachronistic racists instead.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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I'm okay with an agenda of one George Galloway MP (maximum).

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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New conspiracy theory, queens's not dead, she just phased invisible into the UV part of the spectrum so we can't see her.



Whenever Charles thinks he's sitting on one of the monarch chairs he's actually sitting on the queen, who is now oscillating around soft X-ray frequency.

This is what caused his arse cancer.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Then again they're always attacking Harry.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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I can imagine in the case of any woman who could tolerate to marry Nigel Farage it went from the 'acceptable racism' against Africans, Asians, Southern Europeans, and Slavs, to the 'unacceptable racism' against her.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Actually..... this is a ton more likely to work with those who either don't want to think about Israel/Palestine or who just respond with 'they're all the same why are we even bothered about a foreign land 3000 miles away none of our business etc' or are in the 'can't we all just get along' crowd.
Ah, the current UK position on South Sudan and the Burma crisis. And the forthcoming war in Guyana.

MeinPanzer posted:

Yeah, it's that damned cost of living crisis :rolleyes:
A software engineer from Leicestershire on how loving much???
I'd be dead from a cocaine induced myocardial infarction on that amount.

domhal posted:

It's 2034. George Galloway wins a Battersea by-election with a single-issue campaign on the issues around puppy smuggling. The establishment, stunned and afraid, sends the PM out to the podium holding a kitten. Teachers have to pay to build their own schools. A Kit-Kat costs £15 on the black market.
:discourse:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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They need to make more cars like the Toyota Hilux that will keep running when half of what's under the bonnet is bits of wood, lighting flex, and components bought from Maplin

e: :corsair:

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Bring back those 90s diesel Mercedes that will run on chip fat and rubbing alcohol too.

smellmycheese posted:

Good news friends! Keith Is having a good genocide!


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