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Dec 10, 2011

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Bringing this across.

WhatEvil in the last thread posted:

The other thing is that arguably the second most important political axis is the authoritarian/libertarian axis.

Authoritarian is when you want there to be a government with power to enforce political
will, and libertarian is where you want the government to be hands-off or even non-existent with some level of self-governance from the people.

When you go really far in one direction and end up as an extreme authoritarian or libertarian, you can become a dipshit in different ways, BUT then what can happen is that the "left" or "right" part of your "political compass alignment" becomes less important than the authoritarian/libertarian part.

This is why horseshoe theory is actually correct, but misrepresented and misunderstood.

The people who like to propose horseshoe theory see the horseshoe as bringing extreme authoritarian factions close together while they, as reasonable centrists, are as far away from the extremes as possible. But in fact the horseshoe is the other way up. Nonce libertarians and anarcho-Marxist astrohomosexualists are at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum but are brought closer together by their desire to not be subject to government tyranny. The authoritarian left and authoritarian right are close together and both inherently fascistic because as you say, their being left or right wing is subsumed by and made secondary to their being tyrannical. And the centrists are indeed in the centre - slap bang between the two types of authoritarian.

Which is why centrists always side with fascists over socialists: because politically they are inevitably closer to them.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

I hate his stupid hat so much. Why does he wear it all the time? Take off the hat.

It's because he's bald.

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Dec 10, 2011

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The Question IRL posted:


Putin was....foolish for starting a war that has killed thousands and displaced many more?

I'd personally use a stronger word, like monstrous, but that's just me. Don't like genocides or war crimes, so I don't.

If you're even loosely familiar with The Twelve Caesars you'll know that being evil, mad and foolish are not mutually exclusive. And given the evil and mad poo poo that Putin has got away with already, I'd almost have to go with "pushing it too far with an invasion" being his folly.

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Dec 10, 2011

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EvilHawk posted:

So what the gently caress was wrong with the Lib Dem candidate?

They were a Liberal Democrat.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Nuclear Spoon posted:

the longer you spend with your hand in the cash register the more likely it is you'll get caught

They've already been caught. They're doing it openly and they know there will never be any consequences for it because Kunt Hitler and his National Socialist Labour want to do exactly the same thing themselves.

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Dec 10, 2011

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jaete posted:

Hmm, there was Jo Cox, and then later wasn't there also that conservative MP who was stabbed or something... I can't remember if the latter was during an election though.

Kind of a lot of political violence in recent years with two MPs being murdered? Seems like that might be more than usual

That was David Amess, and it wasn't during an election. Neither was Jo Cox, technically - she was murdered by a neo-Nazi Brexiteer during the EU referendum campaign because she supported Remain.

And yes, it was a lot more than usual. Jo Cox's death was the first time an MP had been murdered since 1990 and the only time a Labour MP has ever been murdered.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Who are those 2 Labour losses? Is one of them the Jam Man?

Corbyn and Abbott, presumably.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ms Adequate posted:

I can't even wrap my head around the consequences of an outcome like that. That's the kind of ridiculous result that only happens when you're abusing a game mechanic in Vicky or something. It's also making me want to vote Lab because useless spunk-filled johnnies though they may be, the lure of the bants is strong.

People saying that they're willing to support an act of immense harm to the UK because it would be funny is a part of why we're no longer in the EU.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Sure, but it's not like there's a good alternative on offer here

Just because the world is burning doesn't mean I have to toast marshmallows.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ms Adequate posted:

This is just picking the color of rosette on the dickheads who are going to gently caress us over. It's not equivalent to Brexit where there was an actual choice to be made between No Changes and Lots Of Damage.

Also it's immaterial because I live in a seat that has been Labour since Thatcher's day.

Also come on you think "It'd be really loving funny if the Tories get wiped out" is a stance worth going against?

They're not getting wiped out though, are they? As you said: they're just being replaced by other Tories with a different rosette. I'd find it far funnier to watch Starmer lose to this zombie shell of halfwits led by a halfpint who he's been trying to be even worse than to chase six senile boomer votes.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Tesseraction posted:

The Tories got what they wanted, the youth impoverished and in despair, and then they bitch about us not having kids.

I wouldn't say that they wanted that. They wanted to have all the money. An impoverished despairing youth is just a by-product of that, one that Tories don't care about because they are not young. Everything else is the standard boomerism of "I did it with all the advantages I had, so why can't you do it now we've taken them away?"

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Dec 10, 2011

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domhal posted:

Its cool how insulated central government are from these issues at a glance. Just irresponsible councils who don't know how to balance their budgets, overspend on diversity initiatives and invested poorly. They should have been more sensible. Nothing to do the Westminster or the chancellor.

LOL at living in a country where it is even possible for local authorities to go bankrupt.

Croydon deserved it after burning £500m on dodgy property investments, Labour council or not.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

Kate pegs Will,

Stop you right there - the rumours are that William cheated on Kate because she refused to peg him.

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Dec 10, 2011

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PriorMarcus posted:

So what is it that Keith saw which scared him so much?

A black man, probably.

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Dec 10, 2011

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OwlFancier posted:

Keith comes up to the mic "I'm keir starmer and I'm here to say, fiscal responsibility is important, hey! My dad was a tool maker didn't raise a fool, we'll reform the NHS to make it really cool!" and then gets drop kicked off the stage.

This is MC Starmer and I'm on the mic
To tell you that you can't have the things you like
You need more funding for the NHS?
We'll make them do more with even less
And when those suckers admit defeat
My homie Wes will take them to the street
Disabled, on benefits, unable to fight?
You want to be frei, you better arbeit

Leader of the Opposition, that's me
That's why I support every gubmint policy
Migrants to Rwanda, tax cuts to the rich
I just bend over as they make me their bitch
Now their donors all desert them
They come to me, say "Please Starmer, don't hurt them"
Sure, like I'd do it any other way
Can't arrest thieves, they might run away

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Bars, honestly

Keith has propped up more than a few, but apart from that I don't see the relevance?

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Dec 10, 2011

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Someone has just pointed out that in addition to what's his face from Blur being selected as a Labour candidate, Tom Gray of Gomez is the Labour candidate for Brighton Pavilion. So very, very much trying to rerun the Cool Britannia vibe.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

"We Haven't Turned Around" can become an ironic Labour anthem

They should get Gaz Coombes from Supergrass in as well.

We're not young, we're not green
We're not Germy Corbeen
See our friends, see the sights
Appeal far right

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Dec 10, 2011

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The Saviour posted:

The confusion about the Oct 7 attacks is interesting, the amount of misinformation, deliberate propaganda, and bias from both sides is unlike anything I've read about.

There is so much documentation from the day, but from what i can tell, without being an invesigative journalist. That hard evidence is not readily available. Isreal claim that Hamas deliberately used sexual violence. That's the part of the actions that i can't sympathise with.

I can't sympathise with any part of the murdering kids myself. Whether or not they were raped as well isn't strictly relevant except insofar as it's being used by the Israelis as a clarion call for genocide.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Just Another Lurker posted:

The English had quite a little pogrom against Irish harpers back in the day, killing them on sight.

Well that's hardly surprising when the tales tell of one bard who called his harp to him in battle and it slew seven men as it flew to his hand.

Also laughing my rear end off at that photo of Laurence Fox and Yaxley-Lennon. Fox is a tall man, but even so - it's a tossup as to whether Y-L hates Rishi Sunak more for not being white or for being taller than him. What a little manlet.

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Dec 10, 2011

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OwlFancier posted:

After three readings I believe the government can override the lords on any bill, but that takes a while.

Close, but not quite. All bills are read three times in the Lords before they pass, although sometimes the process is a formality. First reading in the Lords is when the upper house is made aware of the bill. Second reading is where the Lords debate the bill and raise any concerns. Third reading is the amendments stage, after which the bill is returned to the Commons. If the bill is fairly straightforward then Second Reading is basically "OK, looks alright, we don't need a third reading but we'll say we did".

If the Lords amend a bill, the Commons must agree on the wording. This often leads to what is known officially as "ping pong" - I kid you not, it's the term used on the Parliament website - where the bill is sent back and forth between the houses with new revisions until both find a wording that they agree on. If this goes on for more than one year from the date of Second reading in the Commons (the first Commons debate), then and only then can the Commons send a bill for royal assent without the consent of the Lords.

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Dec 10, 2011

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fuctifino posted:

I think they have to go through a whole cycle of a parliamentary year before the Lords can be ignored(??) so Rishi won't be able to force it through in time

I was going to say it's been a year since the Rwanda Bill got a second reading in the Commons, but apparently it was 12th December?

That said: if Sunak does stretch out this government absolutely as long as possible, he will be able to force it through before closing Parliament as the last possible date for that is 17th December this year. It would literally be the last thing he did, and I can see him doing it because he knows Starmer won't reverse it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Runcible Cat posted:

I think if she was actually dead they'd be steering towards an announcement with "oh no seriously ill" kind of thing so I'm on the she's either on a life glug or took such a punch to the face the plastic surgeons are still wrestling with it side.

On the subject of plastic surgery: I have been thinking that it's possible Kate has had to have an Angelina Jolie Special - preventative hysterectomy and double mastectomy - and doesn't want to be seen because her breast reconstruction isn't finished properly yet.

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Dec 10, 2011

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I don't really like the idea of Reform being bigger than the Lib Dems, but Christ only knows the Piss Tories deserve it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jakabite posted:

Halloumi is the go to squeaky food example I suppose. Sausages don’t actually squeak but they definitely can have that sort of glazed, slightly tough quality to them that gives them a degree of squeakiness. I’m trying to think of other squeaky foods now

Bubble and squeak?

Halloumi is the poster child for food that squeaks, though, can't argue there.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Kin posted:

Yeah I saw this yesterday. Initially thought it was silly but then it zoomed in on parts of the picture I never noticed were photoshopped, but clearly had been with bad blends and color.

I think she goes a bit off on one like suggesting they photoshopped a jumper on the girl when it's more likely she just put one on, but the odds of them all wearing the same outfit combinations (albeit with player 2 colour tweaks) for more than one day seems a bit suspect.

Come on - a lot of the argument revolves around someone not wearing the same boots twice.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Agreed, it was an (admittedly brief) international cause celèbre when those Saudi princesses were doing a runner, this has the potential to be more sinister. Not sure if the Royals are quite up to chopping up journalists yet tho

More sinister than a man beheading his own teenage niece in a car park and forcing her boyfriend to watch?

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Dec 10, 2011

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notaspy posted:

Wtf, have you got a link to this story please?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishaal_bint_Fahd_Al_Saud

Very famous story, although mostly because ITV made a docudrama about it ("Death of a Princess") and were made to issue a groveling apology to the house of Saud for offending them.

(Which was parodied by Not the Nine O'clock News, who framed it as "if you want to execute your princesses then go right ahead, as many as you like. You can have a couple of ours, if you want.")

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Dec 10, 2011

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feedmegin posted:

It's a bad look to have people step off the plane and immediately be beheaded by the Taliban.

We're literally accepting asylum seekers from Rwanda while proclaiming that it's a safe place to send people to. The hypocrisy is insane.

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Dec 10, 2011

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FizFashizzle posted:

Even for precocious puberty!?

If there is any hint that the kid is trans, presumably.

But let us be realistic here: there's no use for puberty blockers except giving them to children. This measure is essentially outlawing a legitimate medical treatment because a trans person might benefit from it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Tesseraction posted:

Sure he said some racist things, which we support, but he also gave us loads of money, which we support.

"And he wants to kill Labour MPs, which we definitely support."

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Dec 10, 2011

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What do you call a Welsh serial killer?

Dai Dai Dai!

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Dec 10, 2011

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smellmycheese posted:

All extremely normal


Today we learn the difference between "upbeat" and "beat up".

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

Like when the KKK tried to sponsor a highway in Missouri, the DoT tried to block them, a court ordered they had to be allowed, and the DoT said fine, Klan sponsored highway, but we still get to name it.


Imagine being more racist than the US government.

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Dec 10, 2011

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fuctifino posted:

I propose a celebrity deathmatch form of politics: There are 650 MPs, but only 427 physical seats in the House of Commons chamber. So we arm them each MP with a ceremonial mace, and we let them fight it out. The winners will be those who have successfully retained a physical seat while also retaining their life.

It would make politics much more interesting

It would be funnier to have Black Rod announcing "When the national anthem stops..."

Rose Hanbury was 25 when she married the Marquis of Boute-Sexe, by the way, not 19. He is 24 years her senior though.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

These days someone calling themselves a grammar nazi would be more likely to be going around claiming that Jews invented semicolons to cause phrase mixing.

Whereas we all know that semicolons are used when your grammar is half-arsed.

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Dec 10, 2011

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The first three are toothless, but the last two would allow Ofcom to shut GBeebies down completely. Which they should do, of course, but probably won't - at least not while the Tories are still in power.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Renfield posted:

Talk to https://www.stepchange.org/ - charity that gives debt advice.

That's an appropriate name for a charity that starts its consultations by asking what you were doing.

More seriously: that's really awful, smellmycheese. Hopefully there's some way you can avoid liability for some of the loans at least, and there might be some banking protection on the business account?

E: Jesus suffering gently caress, that's even worse.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Who wants to take over, is the question. That chalice isn't so much poisoned as napalmed. Or are they just trying to force him into calling a GE because they know that however hosed they are now, it will be worse in six or nine months.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

I'd buy Andrew and stick him on my roof like in that Yiddish musical.

No, you fool, we said topple the monarchy!

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