40K Lore Thread: More like Games Wokeshop

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Eclipse12 posted:

Racism aside, gotta love how 40,000 years in the future they're still using variations of names from our era, just spelled dumb.

Yndonesia
Merica
Sammuel
Ejipt
Randy

I mean those are just the actual places on Earth. I love pre-Imperium bizarro Earth nonsense. Like look at this stuff.

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Hy Brasil was a powerful techno-barbarian state centred in the former territory of ancient Brazil on the continent of Sud Merica. Hy Brasil was considered the most powerful of all the Sud Merican cantons.

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The Roma were organised mercenary fliers who fought for the forces of Ursh. Highly-skilled pilots, they were said to never touch the earth beneath them. They were trained to carry out pinpoint aerial attacks, and were therefore of great value to the generals of Ursh.

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He had been circling for ten months. Ten months, and eighteen identities, most of them so authentic they had fooled Unified Biometric Verification. He�d faked out three blind trails to throw them off his scent, one into the Slovakian fiefs, one to Kaspia and the Nord Reaches, and the other a meandering route down through the Tirol to the Dolomite Shrines overlooking the Pit of Venezia. He�d overwintered in Boocuresti Hive, and crossed the Black Sea Basin by cargo spinner during the first week of ice-ebb. At Bilhorod, he had turned back on himself to lose an unwanted tail. He had spent three weeks hiding in a disused manufactory in Mesopotamia, preparing his next move.

Then they turned the entire Himalayan plateau into a palace

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Asterite34 posted:

tbf have you seen the aliens humanity shares a galaxy with? Those guys are loving psychos. I'm not gonna shed a tear over the genocide of the world-devouring Xenomorphs or the S&M Juggalo Elves or the Skeleton Robots or murderous soccer hooligan Orcs or whatever

There are the aliens who will just eat your face and/or soul no matter what but there are also aliens you can talk to. The Imperium wants to destroy all of them.

Something all the recent Horus Heresy stuff has made clear is that the Imperium and the Emperor were never good. The Imperium of 40k is a twisted version of a different horror from 30k. They don't destroy aliens for some well-justified reason. They destroy them for the crime of existing. A plot point they've done at least twice is that actually humans and aliens can live side by side in peace just fine, and have done so for thousands of years, right up until the Emperor's Imperium comes to genocide them in the Great Crusade.

The 40k era Imperium is weaker and stretched thin, and though they still ideologically think aliens should be destroyed, they end up having more varied dealings with them for pragmatic reasons. Including an occasional understanding that the kind of aliens that eat your faces are a common enemy.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Mar 28, 2024

# ¿ Mar 28, 2024 00:58

Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Vampire Panties posted:

there is a cool animation where some Imperial planet is attacked by dark elves and things are going badly so they put out a distress call to a Space Marine faction that rescued the planet a long time ago

then it turns out the Space Marine faction is Iron Warriors (chaos bad dudes) and the planet realizes its hosed

Warhammer 40k: No Good Answers

There's a planet that was actually saved by the Silver Skulls space marine chapter. They had statues and stained glass depicting their saviors, the slim, tall, silver space marines wearing skull helmets. The Inquisition realized they depicted the army of the Necron Trazyn the Infinite, and removed the statue depicting him. Trazyn stole the statue back cause it was his statue.

My favorite part is there does exist a Silver Skulls space marine chapter which someone on the planet would have heard of, and they just see these big silver things with skulls for heads show up to utterly dunk the invading Orks, and they just put two and two together.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Mar 29, 2024

# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 06:29

Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Jimmy Noskill posted:

If it were up to me, the Chaos gods would be a background element that sometimes pops up and burns itself out rather than the primary antagonist of the setting. I�d make the main conflict the Imperium vs xenos and Imperium vs itself, emphasizing how dogmatism and inflexibility make the Imperium its own worst enemy.

The Imperium being its own worst enemy is one the most common plot points. Over Christmas holidays I picked up this short story collection at my parent's place which I had bought as a teenager and forgotten about. Very variable quality, mostly only of any interest if you're already a 40k nerd, some really badly written stories, but a few that shine. Quality aside, not every story is there to make the point that the Imperium is bad, but it comes up a lot, even in the dumb bolter porn siories. Some examples from that book:

- Space marines struggle to win a fight they should win easily due to their dumbass ideas of honor
- Space marines betray the Eldar they're briefly cooperaitng with out of pure xenophobia and paranoia, and as a result, all of them as well as everyone else on the planet die
- A teenager develops psyker powers and becomes easy prey for daemonic possession, because due to Imperial doctrine, instead of anyone helping him they try to kill him and drive him out into the wilderness
- A primitive population of humans altered heavily in the dark age of technology to fit the environment of a planet really want to be in contact with the rest of humanity again, but their existence is hidden by the guardsman who made contact with them because he realizes that they're too different and the Imperium would just destroy them
- A planetary governor has let a cult problem get out of hand and watches his world be consumed by chaos. He reflects that he was in over his head and the only organization that could have dealt with the problem was the Inquisition, but that calling on the Inquisition would have been hardly any better and doom them all the same. He calls Imperial practices murderous and genocidal.

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

lonelylikezoidberg posted:

That sounds fun do you remember the title of the collection?

"Let the Galaxy Burn". Most of it is bad to average tbh. There's better 40k stuff out there.

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

In the early 90s, Games Workshop had a record label. There was a band called D-Rok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YH8jROzZQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRtRkET9xMA

Brian May played on some of these because he ran into them when he went to look at the spacemans with his son.

Wikipedia posted:

D-Rok owes some popularity to the fact that Brian May, guitarist of Queen played on two of the songs ("Get out of My Way" and "Red Planet Blues"). In an interview with Kerrang! magazine, lead singer Sigh explained that May had visited a Games Workshop store with his son, met the band, and offered his services. Sigh went on to say that May had not been offended when he was asked to tune up his guitar before recording his parts, and was the nicest rock star he had ever met.

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

While they had him they should have gotten him to fact-check some ideas they had for space stuff

He did have his own music where he could tell stories about time dilation alienation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8kGMfXaFU

# ¿ Mar 31, 2024 06:55

Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Hollismason posted:

Oh drat GW ended Forgeworld. What the gently caress. I remember the Horus Heresy books and models looking amazing.

Seems like they just dropped the branding.

some redditor seems legit though posted:

they are now available on warhammer dot com, you can identify them by the 'Expert Kit' tag and the 15+ detail on photos of the models

the forgeworld stuff will also be made of resin instead of plastic, and usually more expensive than mainline comparable GW units

# ¿ Apr 1, 2024 04:29

Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Barudak posted:

Apparently the latest thing is the League of Votann (new space dwarves) provided them their tech

Like, all tech? I haven't seen anything about that, do you mean the old bit they may have remembered where the Demiurg (now Votann) sold them ion cannon technology, which was a sneaky Homeworld reference?

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wn8C8-d_uc

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

counterfeitsaint posted:

I kind of don't wanna know, but I also can't resist; are there any dark eldar books? Are Dark Eldar still a thing?

I don't remember what book this is from but here's some Dark Eldar

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Great chandeliers held the gleaming crystals that lit the scene � immense constructions made of talons and teeth. Garlands of preserved viscera looped from the walls like obscene bunting, their fluids still glistening within the stasis embalming.

The doors to Naidazaar�s inner quarters were built from gigantic bones three times Jain Zar�s height � the creatures they had been taken from would have towered more than four times that again in life.

The Phoenix Lord stopped a little way from the closed doors, earning a scowl from the leader of the guards.

�How do you start?� Jain Zar asked the sybarite.

�I don�t understand,� he replied. �Start what?�

Jain Zar waved at the macabre ornamentation.

�This. When you began, you couldn�t have possessed enough bones for the whole ship. It would look stupid with a few dozen skeletons nailed to the walls. So, how do you start? Do you save up enough bodies for a corridor at a time, or put them away until you have enough to decorate the entire vessel?�

The sybarite snarled, hand straying to the agoniser lash that hung on his belt. Jain Zar moved her fingers to the triskele at her waist and tilted her head towards him. A moment later the kabalite raised his hand away from his weapon.

�We shall see what humours you when Naidazaar Archon is done.�

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Dapper_Swindler posted:

that looks better. Idk. Sigmar always seemed way too, idk High fantasy for my taste. like old world was never low fantasy but i always prefered holy roman empire but also litteral hell exists and ratmen below and etc. like the gods are real and help but its also less upfront. idk. sigmar misses kinda the grimdarkness silly i like and more just silly. to each their own.

WHFB was always high fantasy but it wasn't uniformly high fantasy, I think that's the thing. There's contrast. The dragons and helicopters and steam tanks and magic spells exist in a substrate of mundane spearmen, archers and cavalry. That's also why the Total War games are so great, because it has the substrate of regular, grounded premodern combat and you have your line of elven spearmen and flanking cavalry but boom here come the helicopter gunships.

Bjork Bjowlob posted:

when you get down to it, can space marines even be called 'male' after so much generic modification? do they even have a full dick and balls, canonically?

I think they would have the equipment for like, Greek sculpture reasons, because they're supposed to be the ideal human as determined by an inhuman being who doesn't understand humans at all. You gotta have the dong to complete the asthetics. But they're completely asexual and aromantic and probably sterile.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Apr 4, 2024

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Here's what I see as Age of Sigmar's problem: It's apparently a much better game than WHFB and sells well because that's a core issue for actual tabletop players, but it seems to have limited appeal outside of that. Nobody has yet made that on-ramp people talked about, there's no Age of Sigmar experience that'd get people who aren't already into tabletop games into it. Meanwhile there is the Total Warhammer series set in the WHFB setting which got very popular because that setting does have appeal. It's a kind of hilarious mess, GW kills the setting because their bad and neglected game doesn't sell and clearly that means people don't like the setting, then they have a major video game trilogy done, and miss out completely on synergies like how they got with Dawn of War for 40k where people start thinking "There are models, right? Maybe i'd like to get some of these dudes". Then they scramble to make the Old World and it's probably a few years too late.

Vampire Panties posted:

there is literally 0% the Amazon show is not about spess mahreens IIRC space marines outsell other factions 2-1, maybe more?
I'm assuming the show completely glosses over/redefines how geneseed or initiation works, keeps all the other factions off screen, and its like a TV show version of Aliens. Potentially weird flashbacks to spess mahreens fighting other factions, but it will be very strictly limited

This is the problem. They'll probably feel it has to be space marines, but it's really hard to make a good story with space marines, and it's really limiting for a show if every character of note must be male, huge, do nothing but fight and have no personal relationships beyond 'battle brother'. They did that space marine CGI movie nobody remembers because it sucked. It did not sell by virtue of featuring space marines. It would make sense to feature space marines but they work better as a background fixture. They're a cool thing that are there but they should not be the main characters.

limp_cheese posted:

Make the show about Eisonhorn and bring in Urban to play him using his Judge Dredd scowl. Even better if they find a way to make Eisonhorn wear a helmet.

Eisenhorn isn't Judge Dredd, he already has Judge Dredd as his companion. Fischig is an arbiter and would thus wear that exact helmet and that exact scowl.

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Nice Marines?

# ¿ Apr 12, 2024 12:56

Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

The Frateris Templar who were banned because the Ecclesiarchy did a thing, getting us the Sisters due to the wording loophole, were shirtless tattooed Sardaukar.

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Initially, the equipment of the Frateris Templars seemed to resemble that of the Imperial Guard. Frateris Templars soldiers were equipped with Carapace Armour and gold-plated Lasguns with crackling Power Bayonets.[2b]

However, during the Age of Apostasy, the Templars had become fierce warrior-zealots. Each had been stripped of their humanity and personality and rebuilt entirely on the basis of the Imperial Creed, with the sole purpose of sacrificing themselves for the God-Emperor. Their muscular bodies were often covered with intricate ritual scars and religious tattoos, signifying their undying devotion to Master of Mankind.[3]

They fought with their torsos bare, covering their lower bodies with white half-robes laced with gold. Each Templar was protected by a shimmering energy shield generated by a spinal implant, and armed with high-cadence Lasblasters and gold-hilted swords with blades of pure Hematite. In combat, their shields protected them well from all forms of gunfire, but if an enemy managed to penetrate their protective bubble, they were forced to depend on their speed and skill in melee combat.[3]

Whenever someone mad about girls in their spaceman setting goes 'well why are there no Brothers of Battle???' I'm gonna go, yes, actually, bring this back.

Unrelatedly I made this spaceship for an RPG thing.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Apr 20, 2024

# ¿ Apr 20, 2024 06:23

Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Barudak posted:

A hiveworld brawl between the various factions trying to secretly take it over between chaos, tau, and tyrannid only for them to find out there actually isn't anyone on the planet not in one of the cults.

I want this to be a game done by the EYE devs and yeah I know they've made some 40k games but I want them to go all out on the batshit and be in whatever mind-state they were in making EYE.

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Elukka: Feb 18, 2011; For All Mankind

Are any of the Horus Heresy books worth reading? I read a few of the first ones and didn't think they were very good, the first book kinda tried to set up sensible points of conflict between Horus and the Emperor and then other writers just went 'Horus got stabbed by a chaos knife so he's chaos now." Nothing about the betrayal felt believable or dramatic and the whole thing just fell flat to me. But since then the Horus Heresy has turned from a focused series into a whole sprawling franchise, and given its sprawliness maybe there are some parts that are good?

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