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BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Edit: :doh:

In other news, I know someone naming their newborn Lan.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Aug 5, 2020

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BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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I found an inconsistency. I'm rereading the books with my home-schooling nephew (via zoom) to help keep my sister sane. After the group first gets to Camelyn, Rand first meets Elayne by falling into the garden trying to get a look at Logain. Rand observes several warders with the sisters guarding Logain. Then, when Moiraine joins them later that same day, however, she mentions all the other sisters in the city are Red.

Guys I think Moiraine is black ajah.

Also Moiraine auto corrects to Moraine.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Sep 21, 2020

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Artonos posted:

I started re-reading eye of the world again. This is only my 2nd time through the series. It's funny how it's repeated twice by Moirane that things aren't magical. And then Mat immediately grabs a magical dagger in Shadar Logoth. It's also really apparent how Jordan didn't quite have how weaves worked down yet, but it's still a very entertaining and awe inspiring magic system as seen by the farm folk.

I started a reread recently and what struck me about EOTW is how goodamn repetitive it is.

A man in a cloak walked into the room. He had the look of danger.
"That man in the cloak has a look of danger!"
"That man in the cloak sure does look dangerous."
"The dangerous man in the cloak is also handsome!"
"Handsome!? But he's so dangerous looking! And his cloak is so unusual!"
The man swirled his cloak and left the room, walking dangerously.
"He was so dangerous and handsome! I wonder what that cloak was?"

The entire book is like that. I must have missed it my first time reading when I was 12. Luckily the repetition peters out somewhat after book two.

Edit: The repetition is super jarring with the audio book version. Some gave me a CD set of the audio books because it's apparently 2002 and I got through just a few chapters before just buying the book. You can skim over paragraphs but you have to listen to the narrator talk about Lan's drat cloak for the seven hundredth time.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Oct 31, 2020

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:

I never expected a Thom older than, say, the early 50s. Morgase is like, mid-to-late 30s, Moiraine's probably early 40s. They probably made Thom like 5 whole years younger than in the books.

Moiraine is 40s. She was Accepted in the day Rand was born, and he's 18ish at series beginning, and she and Sanche haven't spoken in 20 years. Morgasse has a ~16 year old kid so, yeah, late 30s. Thom can't be 70 unless he was banging a couple 18 year olds at 50.

Also I can definitely see cutting out characters. I'm doing a reread, on book nine, and there are approximately seven hundred minor characters that constantly pop up and disappear for a book or two. The illuminator, the illian boat captain, Domon, Valda/Carridan, Luca, Elyas, Uno, Rhurarc, most of the Aiel, all the endless nobles, all disappear and then reappear then disappear again. I'd imagine they can't hire actors for a two minute appearance then a three year break before another one minute on screen.

Then the Aes Sedai. They can write out every single one except Moiraine, Verin, Alanna, Elaida, Sanche, and, uh, maybe Cadsuane? Maybe have Galina play her and Alvirian's part? Characters like Myrelle, Romana, Nisao, Merana, Pevra, Kiruna, the twelve dark sisters, Teslyn, etc are all totally interchangeable and all inexplicabley disappear between books. Cast three of them and subsume all of those characters into those three. Ditto for the men. I mean they don't have the screen time to give every character one minute of dialogue, much less develop personalities.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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mossyfisk posted:

They should cast the same actor for Mazrim Taim and Demandred and just never comment on it.

Those twins from Breaking Bad.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:

"Abruptly the flow of words and the juggling alike stopped. Thom simply snatched the balls from the air and stopped talking. Unnoticed by Rand, Moiraine had joined the listeners. Lan was at her shoulder, though he had to look twice to see the man. For a moment Thom looked at Moiraine sideways, his face and body still except for making the balls disappear into his capacious coat sleeves. Then he bowed to her, holding his cloak wide. “Your pardon, but you are surely not from this district?”"
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Yeah.... he knows full well who she is, and he knows that she knows who he is. I don't think Thom is ever caught flat-footed like that again.

Lol she keeps calling him Master Bard. She knows.

And she sends him a love letter when her death is imminent despite not seeing each other for three books, and she tells the wonder girls that she already knows the face of the man she'll marry, and she bonds him upon first sight when she's resurrected (I can't remember her dialog there). And he can get close enough to her... uncle?... the king to murder him. They for sure know each other.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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When the show comes out, we really should change the title of this thread to signify this is the spoiler thread. Maybe start a new thread for new readers/viewers. This page spoiled like 90% of the entire series, including a lot of the good stuff, without tags.

Not that that's a bad thing. It'd be like spoiling lord of the rings. But there is a show to consider.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Feb 2, 2021

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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jng2058 posted:

Whoo, that scene! One of the best in the books.


But yeah, Egwene explicitly wonders what the other two Black Ajah oaths are, but never gets a chance to ask Verin, so I don't think we ever find out.

I had to check the wiki, which says that we find out in the Wheel of Time Companion, not the main series.


1) I shall obey all commands given by those placed above me in service to the Great Lord

2) I shall prepare for the day of the Great Lord's return

3) I shall hold close the secrets of the Black Ajah, unto the hour of my death.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Pleads posted:

Taim culled any Asha'man who were going insane and nobody had the kind of experience and fully-realized power that the male Aes Sedai would have had from the Age of Legends, so a full Breakening2: Electric Boogaloo wasn't in the cards. By the time the Black Tower was producing enough raw numbers, the taint was cleansed and it wasn't a concern anymore.

One of my favorite forgotten things in the series is that Nynaeve actually cured insanity in male channelers. Then, with this huge amazing discovery, neither RJ or Sanderson do anything with it, nor do they mention it again, nor do they use it to cure any other channeler. She cures one singular guy and then never talks about it again. Well, she does look into Rand's brain but sees an overwhelming amount of madness held off by an equal force of light (which, again, is never mentioned again).

I mean, every single male channeler in the series suffered from some degree of madness before the taint was cleansed excluding Osan'gar's group of bad guys. Even after the taint is cleansed the madness that was already there is still there.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 22:03 on May 25, 2021

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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We should spend literally seven thousand pages discussing Perrin seeing that one outcast weirdo, just like Jordan spent literally seven thousand pages telling us about Perrin thinking about that one outcast weirdo.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Trailer looks great. Rand looks great, Matt looks great, Perrin looks great, dresses are a bit in your face but whatever.

Mods can we rename this thread to include [SPOILERs] as is tradition? Especially now that there's a TVIV thread?

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Nitrousoxide posted:

What did Mat need healing for? I forget.

Breaking the link to the dagger. The healing required a full circle of thirteen.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Bela's taverened a spear :(

I swear to God they can gently caress up Fain and Hopper and Uno but if they gently caress up Bela it'll be a real GoT move. That's an entire audience of horse people they'll piss off, who are all a little weird so will either buy the Funko pops and Subway advertisement sandwiches or roast the show endlessly on forums.somethinghands.com.

Bela and Hurin. I really liked Hurin and he had to go get killed off screen with Bashere. I want someone in the show with unquenchable enthusiasm and an unflappable belief that Lord Rand will save the day. Poor Hurin.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Plus the letter she writes him just before she and Lanfear go through the door is basically a love letter.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:

He laughs a lot 8n the box

The only thing I've ever seen Josha Stradowski in is the slightly smutty gay dramady he did. I am really looking forward to how he does Rand's descent into madness, I just cannot picture it.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Barreft posted:

I specifically need to see this Nynaeve (Zoe) and Moghedien just glaring at each other while throwing around insane amounts of the power.
I imagined that scene as seeing the huge amount of power being thrown around by the two of them, then cut to a janitor walking by mopping the floor who looks in and sees the two of them just looking at each other.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Is there any word on Bela? She just ran off when the mist came and we didn't see her again. I thought Lan maybe grabbed her and that's what Nynaeve is riding?

I swear I'm not a weird horse person I just want to perpetuate Bela being the creator and also see the internet's reaction to her death in the last battle.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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The scene where Moiraine and Alanna were standing in a cave talking about how they wanted to be shoulder to shoulder at the last battle had me smiling.

Also it just occurred to me that Narg the Trolloc didn't speak in episode 1. Poor Narg, the most educated Trolloc in all the world. His learning how to speak from the wailing and quailing of the human sacrifices all went for naught.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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CuriousSymptoms posted:

I think this is the only thread on the forums where a two page turbonerd derail of this pettiness is actively welcomed

I reckon it could easily be moved by barges, especially if you could supplement the natural current with augmented weaves of water :colbert:

The laws of physics literally do not exist in Rand land.

Build a pulley system, suspend it in the air on something you magic up and tie a rope to one end of the thingy, then open a gateway from the river to the top of a water wheel which cranks the pulley system. The thing's unbreakable, so there's no OSHA violation to stand it on end so long as proper support exists so it doesn't blow over. Then open a gateway at the bottom, which opens up over the ocean (or over your worst enemy). Problem solved.

I'm pretty sure I did this exact thing in Factorio not too long ago.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Nitrousoxide posted:

I wonder if they will tone down the Seanchan in the TV show to make their later alliance for the last battle more palatable

They've already foreshadowed that the Scottish blue sitter is going to be captured. I bet she plays a role in Falme, maybe even the role of broken subservient leashed channeler. The books had three or four Aes Sedai who were broken, including Elaida, and two of them refused rescue. Or she could be like that one damane who nuked her way to freedom the second the collar came off.

I still remember one creepy rear end line: "Puri is not good at battle, but she makes the most marvelous fireworks" as the sul'dam pats her head. Bleh.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Hollismason posted:

Not sure where the story can go with Egwene being put in a cell.

When it comes, come back here and let us know you read it.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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My prediction on season two hook is a collar clicking around Scottish Blue lady, who said she was headed to Falme in e4 or whenever.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Ok, quote this post by midnight Christmas EST if you want this gangtag added to your profile:



Few rules:

if you already have three gangtags you'll have to ask me to wipe one of them to replace it with this one
the gangtag will link back to this thread
Some people have grandfathered code in their profiles, no guarantees if you're one of those but I'll try to avoid loving it up

I've never had a gang tag. This seems like a swell place to start!

The pacifiers were very strange.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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I posted in this thread before, it's be trivial to set up any basic energy - think water wheel - with a gateway that'd give the entire world free infinite energy. There is no reason for RandLand to be stuck in the age of dirt farmers when they can live in a utopian paradise of universal abundance.

Of course, with the whole pesky thermodynamics problem you'd eventually melt the entire universe if you kept adding energy.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Hexel posted:

That reminds me: why the hell did Lan’s bond pass to Myrelle if Moiraine did not die? Was it because she went “off world”?

I always just assumed she passed it, like Myrelle later does too Nynaeve. And Egwene just casually releases What's her name Shipless just prior to her goku death with Taim. It seems like an easily passable thing.

Edit but the one Semihrage tortured never released her bond so who knows.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 5, 2022

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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goethe.cx posted:

Now entering the “Galina as da’tsang” plotline, I forget if it goes anywhere or if it’s just meant to give the reader a sense of revenge after Rand in The Chest

Honestly I read the end of that plotline as weird torture porn. Not a whole lot in the series made me uncomfortable to read, but her last scene where she's a mind controlled torture slave to Thevara gives me actual heebie jeebies. It's up there with that one plot line in Malazan, if you know which one I'm talking about then you know which one I'm talking about.

I really hope that if the show rolls Galina, Liandrin and/or Alvirian together as one character, they use the other plot lines to kill Liandrin off.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Feb 5, 2022

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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The Notorious ZSB posted:

She never understood poo poo, but being constantly undermined by your #2 who is head of the black probably made her go dumber & wilder faster than she otherwise would have on her own. That is basically Eladia in a nutshell though, she was only dangerous because others propped her up and pulled her along further than she should have been because she was so easy to manipulate.

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BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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I saw Rothfuss streaming on twitch the other day. It was the most bizarre thing to watch him for a few minutes while he played Warhammer or whatever it was. You could always just ask him when the third book is coming if you're curious I guess.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Spek posted:

I think one of the sisters Mat rescued from the Seanchan was red and was less obnoxious than the green he saved, no?

Isn't she the one teaming up with Talamanes during the last battle, where they hide in some basement with the canons, just blasting through small gateways.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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If they keep true to the books though, the death watch guard don't show up until the third wave of seanchan, I think. Tuon arrives only after Ebu Dar gets secured. Maybe the show will significantly truncate that timeline though. I can see Tuon showing up in season two. Maybe season three though.

And they're great in the books, playing the straight man to Matt.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Apr 21, 2022

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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I think it looks like that Scottish blue sister. The one who talked about going to Falme to get collared investigate the mysterious ships disappearances.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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The Glumslinger posted:

I thought it was before the failed negotiations with Borderlanders when he found out they wanted him to go to Far Madding to meet with them. Or maybe it was before the successful negotiations.

Poor Hurin, he was so nice to Lord Rand and Rand was mean to him.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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tsob posted:

I did not, but stand corrected regardless. I'd still expect Rahvin to appear before Bael, who doesn't appear till Rand enters the Waste in The Shadow Rising, yeah?

Edit I just mixed up Be'lal and Bael.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 21, 2022

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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CainFortea posted:

You have to allow that the enemy has their own plans though. And presume they are trying their best to do their own thing. Or even just accidents happening.

But it's not just the male a'dam. It's also basically everything she does. Because she decided he's just being an arrogant poo poo because power went to his head.

Her problem wasn't that she decided he was an arrogant poo poo because power went to his head. Her problem was that she - like many other characters in this series - doubles down on her erroneous first impressions over and over again despite repeated failures and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I mean, she may have instructed others about her plan, but the only time she actually discusses her plan is a few sentences with Soriela, and that conversation is half innuendo and raised eyebrows doing the conversing iirc.

This series would be about nine books shorter if people communicated in an adult fashion though.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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I called McDade coming back as the captured sister months ago. I'm sticking with my prediction!

BigHead posted:

They've already foreshadowed that the Scottish blue sitter is going to be captured. I bet she plays a role in Falme, maybe even the role of broken subservient leashed channeler. The books had three or four Aes Sedai who were broken, including Elaida, and two of them refused rescue. Or she could be like that one damane who nuked her way to freedom the second the collar came off.

I still remember one creepy rear end line: "Puri is not good at battle, but she makes the most marvelous fireworks" as the sul'dam pats her head. Bleh.

BigHead fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Oct 20, 2022

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:

....is this a joke? There's like.... nothing textual to support it.

You didn't read this article from Sanderson talking about it? Sanderson talked about that Lanfear thing, he discussed the tree dudes a little bit, and his theories on the origins of the Ogier.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Aginor ain't stupid, but him trying to sneak around a battlefield and immediately getting nuked was fantastic

"He moved in what he imagined was a stealthy manner" by running from tree to tree yelling "DUN DUN DUN DUN"

Didn't he get nuked by a dark friend thinking he was a real asha'man, because he was sneaking around not attacking Rand and Nynaeve? I remember it was his pov then it cuts to what's her name black sister who nukes his rear end.

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Honestly bummed the casting call wasn't "gangly scrawny nine year old who doesn't mind cussing and complimenting ladies. Must have proficiency in wind instruments and horses. Must have no knowledge of where acting skills came from."

BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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Hughmoris posted:

Are they speaking Italian?

That's a still picture they're not saying anything.

Sheriam's actress thing was, uh, something else I'm glad she went with the creative route. She seems like she will be able to pull off the nice grandma serial killer thing pretty well though.

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BigHead
Jul 25, 2003
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silvergoose posted:

That was a joke about the particular position of their hands in that still.

quote:

The Maidens exchanged blank looks. Finally Somara said "What happened with the pond? Surely the water is the point of this story."

Throwing up his hands, Rand started for the red-striped pavilion again. Behind him he heard Liah say, "I think it was supposed to be a joke."

"How can we laugh when he doesn't know what happened to the water?" Maira said.

"It was the rooster," Enaila put in. "Wetlander humor is strange. I think it was something about the rooster."

He tried to stop listening.

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