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Xandu posted:They're not that common. Can't say that I blame him. His inner-circle was penetrated and people that he saw every day were blown to bits. I'd be triple-checking my sock drawer right about now and putting out a job posting for a food taster.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Can't say that I blame him. His inner-circle was penetrated and people that he saw every day were blown to bits. I'd be triple-checking my sock drawer right about now and putting out a job posting for a food taster. The only thing he can do at this point, apart from a total purge which won't happen, is to leave. He has to know this. And by leave, I don't mean step down, I mean... well, Latakia, and then Tunis or Tehran. It's over, Bashar. Let it go.
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Brown Moses posted:I wonder how Iran will react to this sudden turn of events. Any think there's a chance of military intervention from Iran? I hope not. I'd imagine we'd see Israel lose their poo poo if Iran did. And then we would be obliged to step in, probably under the guise of "NATO". WWIII anyone? Zeroisanumber posted:Can't say that I blame him. His inner-circle was penetrated and people that he saw every day were blown to bits. I'd be triple-checking my sock drawer right about now and putting out a job posting for a food taster. Gadaffi had his inner circle penetrated towards the end as well... 
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Young Freud posted:The rebels haven't taken the state media apparatus yet? Anyone seeing anything more about this? It sounded like they were set to take it over, but now I can't find anything about it.
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Golbez posted:The only thing he can do at this point, apart from a total purge which won't happen, is to leave. He has to know this. And by leave, I don't mean step down, I mean... well, Latakia, and then Tunis or Tehran. It's over, Bashar. Let it go. I doubt Tunis would let him in except to drag him into the Hague for using cluster bombs on residential areas/the numerous massacres of civilians/women/children specifically. The new guy just gave a speech in France about how Tunis is now cool with the West, I doubt they'd want to poo poo all over that position by giving Assad shelter after all that's happened. e: Speaking of the Hague, a sobering thought is the idea of Assad gassing Damascus because he'd rather die by his own fumes/live in a cell than die at the hands of the rebels. I'm pretty sure international war crimes tribunals don't impose the death sentence anymore. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jul 18, 2012 |
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Volkerball posted:Anyone seeing anything more about this? It sounded like they were set to take it over, but now I can't find anything about it. Even though it was an amazing day for the rebs the military hasn't actually disbanded itself yet.
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The Entire Universe posted:I doubt Tunis would let him in except to drag him into the Hague for using cluster bombs on residential areas/the numerous massacres of civilians/women/children specifically. The new guy just gave a speech in France about how Tunis is now cool with the West, I doubt they'd want to poo poo all over that position by giving Assad shelter after all that's happened. I was just including that because Tunisia offered asylum to Assad back in February and March, basically saying, "We are giving you an out: You can live here in luxury, and Syria gets freedom". Of course, that was before he started massacring his people wholesale, so the offer probably no longer stands. I suppose Tehran, maybe Beirut for the short-term, Moscow, Beijing... but his only option to save his own life, is to escape Damascus, and probably Syria, now. At this rate, he has hours left.
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Golbez posted:I was just including that because Tunisia offered asylum to Assad back in February and March, basically saying, "We are giving you an out: You can live here in luxury, and Syria gets freedom". Of course, that was before he started massacring his people wholesale, so the offer probably no longer stands. Yeah, Tehran or Beirut might be the top destinations. Moscow and Beijing are a little too close to the international community to be unmoved by negotiations, I think.
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The Entire Universe posted:Yeah, Tehran or Beirut might be the top destinations. Moscow and Beijing are a little too close to the international community to be unmoved by negotiations, I think. The Day Putin just says  
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Golbez posted:At this rate, he has hours left. Eh he could probably run a fiefdom out of Latakia for a few weeks or months if he so wishes. Also consider West Africa or the Sahel for escape opportunities, possibly.
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I wonder if, when he realizes the end is really at his front door, he would decide to do a scorched earth deployment of his chemical weapons stockpile.
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truth masseuse posted:I wonder if, when he realizes the end is really at his front door, he would decide to do a scorched earth deployment of his chemical weapons stockpile. If it was really the bitter, desperate end and not a tactical move in limited capactiy I wouldn't be suprirsed if there were refusal orders a la Hitler's call for destroying German infrastructure. Clearly his security has been compromised -- trust must be minimal.
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Maybe the rumors of mass defections were from an order to use chemical weapons on the people?
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MothraAttack posted:If it was really the bitter, desperate end and not a tactical move in limited capactiy I wouldn't be suprirsed if there were refusal orders a la Hitler's call for destroying German infrastructure. Clearly his security has been compromised -- trust must be minimal. Remember what the Shabiha have been writing on the walls of villages they've attacked: "Assad or we'll burn the country down." There's probably quite a few fanatics out there who wouldn't object to settling for chemical weapons instead.
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McDowell posted:The Day Putin just says I could see Assad taking off and setting up some sort of government-in-exile in Russia. If sectarian violence erupts in his wake, then the Russians can then ask for a "peacekeeping intervention" to establish the legitimate government and most of the Security Council might follow along with it. Even the Americans, especially if it looks like al-Qaeda-backed Islamists are looking to take over. Assad would at least be a devil we know.
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suboptimal posted:Remember what the Shabiha have been writing on the walls of villages they've attacked: "Assad or we'll burn the country down." There's probably quite a few fanatics out there who wouldn't object to settling for chemical weapons instead. Yeah I think the Shabiha are analogous to the SS in this situation, but it would be a matter of weaponizing them with the weapons that are presumably in the army's control. Although things are so confusing it's of course impossible to discern what's up there.
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It's past midnight there, I don't expect much more news until morning, and there's no way in hell anyone would try to put Assad back into power, he's had absolute power for decades, that's why there's been 17 months of civil war.
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The Entire Universe posted:Yeah, Tehran or Beirut might be the top destinations. Moscow and Beijing are a little too close to the international community to be unmoved by negotiations, I think. Don't rule out Minsk either. Deposed leaders have a tendency to end up there, or try to. Saddam Hussein's sons didn't quite make it.
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Well it looks like the FSA might be trying to take the Damascus International Airport? Lots of conflicting accounts, but what would be the strategic worth in that right now?
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MothraAttack posted:Well it looks like the FSA might be trying to take the Damascus International Airport? Lots of conflicting accounts, but what would be the strategic worth in that right now? It is an important escape route for obvious reasons. The reaction to Nasrallah's speech. "The blood of martyrs is on your turban, Hassan" 
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Xandu posted:Stops senior figures from fleeing. Granted, but they would need to go after the Mezzeh military airport as well. Altough I must say the FSA has been surprisingly coordinated among this.
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Here's my latest video selection of FSA weapons and equipment.
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MothraAttack posted:Granted, but they would need to go after the Mezzeh military airport as well. Altough I must say the FSA has been surprisingly coordinated among this. They've been claiming that they're about to take over the airport all year and it hasn't happened.
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Hold your horses, FSA has not captured Damascus and Elvis has not left the building yet. It's way too early to tell how the fight for the capital will end or how long it will last.
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MothraAttack posted:Granted, but they would need to go after the Mezzeh military airport as well. Altough I must say the FSA has been surprisingly coordinated among this.
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How do you communicate with your sources and journos, Brown Moses? It has to pretty risky for some, so do you have a public key people can use to e-mail you?
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Baron FU posted:Alawites to the grave Christians to Beirut was a popular chant earlier in the revolution. So probably pretty loving bad.
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Highspeeddub posted:Don't rule out Minsk either. Deposed leaders have a tendency to end up there, or try to. Saddam Hussein's sons didn't quite make it. http://youtu.be/138gX3wolOo Listen to Worf, Bashar.
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ufarn posted:How do you communicate with your sources and journos, Brown Moses? It has to pretty risky for some, so do you have a public key people can use to e-mail you? Activists seem totally unconcerned about that, I've offered to do it, but they don't seem to think it's an issue. Most of my chat with activists is via Twitter unless they need to send me something larger. I've previously used absurdly well encrypted chat rooms for longer discussion on phone hacking related stuff though.
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Brown Moses posted:Activists seem totally unconcerned about that, I've offered to do it, but they don't seem to think it's an issue. Most of my chat with activists is via Twitter unless they need to send me something larger. I've previously used absurdly well encrypted chat rooms for longer discussion on phone hacking related stuff though.
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truth masseuse posted:Gadaffi had his inner circle penetrated towards the end as well... Bwahaha, hilarious! He was sodomized at gunpoint and then brutally murdered! Vintage SA poo poo right here! We laugh at anything!!!
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Augure posted:Bwahaha, hilarious! He was sodomized at gunpoint and then brutally murdered! Vintage SA poo poo right here! We laugh at anything!!! *Yakkety sax plays while Gadaffi is bloodily beaten with sticks*
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Augure posted:Bwahaha, hilarious! He was sodomized at gunpoint and then brutally murdered! Vintage SA poo poo right here! We laugh at anything!!! Good times 
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i am very sad about Bruno being probated, I would love to see what he's got to say about this new development of the zionist plot 
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Brown Moses posted:Good times Tastes like justice. SexyBlindfold posted:i am very sad about Bruno being probated, I would love to see what he's got to say about this new development of the zionist plot Would also like to hear what he has to say about the bombings in Bulgaria today, and bombings elsewhere, that Israel is blaming on Iran. Kempo Yellow Belt fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jul 18, 2012 |
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Brown Moses posted:Good times that's not what he was wearing when he got shot!! i would never eat such an inaccurate cake
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It says it's from a little while ago. Near the Syrian Embassy in Cairo.
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