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I have no idea how he plans on running a modern presidential campaign with that weight. Like it's not even about the voters focusing on looks, which is a huge part of it, it's the technical aspect of how tough election campaigns are physically. There's a reason the last couple candidates and presidents have been in incredible shape.
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Skwirl posted:Hah The only guy I hate more than Obama is the one who enacted policies I'm in favor of! Grr!
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tsa posted:There's legitimate reasons the guy is worthless, I honestly don't see the need to lie and pretend he's a bad businessman because he uses bankruptcy law to his advantage. You realize he started quite wealthy, right? Some columnist or another made a point that had Trump simply put all of his inherited wealth in the stock market rather than running a business, he would be better off today. It would be good to get some verification of that, but the man is the epitome of someone who was born on third and assumes he hit a triple.
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Joementum posted:He has his own way of saying 'sorry'. That twitter handle always struck me as odd, so I looked into it. Sadly neither @DonaldTrump or @fakeDonaldTrump have ever posted anything.
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tsa posted:There's legitimate reasons the guy is worthless, I honestly don't see the need to lie and pretend he's a bad businessman because he uses bankruptcy law to his advantage. Trump does not have much in actual money. Everything is for show. That is why the bankruptcy jokes aare especially good.
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Pohl posted:How did you guys miss the exorcism stuff years ago? It's been 6 years since he was really relevant and talked about, if you're under 24 you've probably never even heard about him or only in passing. e: Kit Walker posted:A friend of mine who lives in New Orleans and who I sincerely believe would castrate Jindal given a pair of rusty shears and five minutes alone with him posted this article which should answer any questions: http://m.thenation.com/blog/210793-bobby-jindal-broke-louisiana-so-badly-even-gop-doesnt-want-him quote:Rush Limbaugh declared him "the next Ronald Reagan"; The Washington Post, "a political meteor." A meteor burns up in the upper atmosphere, this might have been one of the most correct things Limbaugh ever said. tsa fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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CCKeane posted:Sorry if this has been posted around, but Christie is going to announce. I'm astounded that a man who shook hands with Obama thinks he even has a chance in today's Republican primary. Oh well; keeps Santorum or Perry out of a debate!
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AsInHowe posted:Trump does not have much in actual money. Everything is for show. That is why the bankruptcy jokes aare especially good. This is just plain wrong, most billionaires have most of their wealth in investments. Regardless even if you are just looking at cold hard cash he has more than anyone here will see in their entire lives.
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A full third of Trump's declared assets is his name.
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Joementum posted:A full third of Trump's declared assets is his name. That's actually not a crazy valuation - the Trump name has a lot of meaning attached to it, at least some of it positive (at least in the commercial sphere), and is incredibly well recognized. For comparison, the words Coca Cola are estimated to be worth between 55 and 80 billion. Brand names have value and Trump is a brand name. If he couldn't use his name anymore, then he would be a less attractive partner in development.
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Kalman posted:That's actually not a crazy valuation - the Trump name has a lot of meaning attached to it, at least some of it positive (at least in the commercial sphere), and is incredibly well recognized. For comparison, the words Coca Cola are estimated to be worth between 55 and 80 billion. But yet, buildings named "Trump" get lower rent than those not named "Trump". The real question is, who did that brand valuation and who paid for it?
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3 Billion is a crazy valuation of the Trump name, though. I forget the source, but the figure one analyst gave was something like 143 million in value that didn't translate to what anybody would actually pay to buy it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/24/politics/bobby-jindal-video-kids-announcement/ Seriously, how is BJ so terrible at making videos/promoting himself? It's not just bad, it's aggressively awful. I mean I get going for (and loving up) the folksy family appeal. But you litterally cannot even see his face. (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153008087295095 for direct announcement).
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CCKeane posted:Sorry if this has been posted around, but Christie is going to announce. Goddamn. So the establishment vote will now be split 4 ways between Bush, Christie, Jeb!, and Rubio. Are there really this many idiots this time who believe they can be elected President?
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Christie has been building to this for a while, so it makes sense that he wouldn't want to throw away all the preparation he did for a Presidential run, but why bother? He had a halo following hurricane Sandy, but he crashed down to earth just like Bush after his 9/11 glow faded. He has no real constituency and the big money and organization have left him for other people. To win an election you need some combo of: 1) Large or extremely motivated constituency 2) Money 3) Unique policy angle or position 4) Personal charisma / popularity 5) Large or well-organized campaign apparatus (usually tied to how much money you have, but not always) Christie had 2 or 3 of those in 2013, but he has none now. He just set a record for lowest approval rating of a Governor in New Jersey. Why go through the humiliation at this point?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:You realize he started quite wealthy, right? Some columnist or another made a point that had Trump simply put all of his inherited wealth in the stock market rather than running a business, he would be better off today. It would be good to get some verification of that, but the man is the epitome of someone who was born on third and assumes he hit a triple. More like he was born on third base, got caught in a rundown and ran backwards to second base, and thought he hit a double.
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Alter Ego posted:Goddamn. Hey, be fair to them. As more idiots pile on, they split up the voting blocs such that nobody is a clear front-runner and bring the nomination much closer to reach for the clown car candidates.
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tsa posted:I have no idea how he plans on running a modern presidential campaign with that weight. Like it's not even about the voters focusing on looks, which is a huge part of it, it's the technical aspect of how tough election campaigns are physically. There's a reason the last couple candidates and presidents have been in incredible shape. John McCain? Dude was 71 and had lasting physical problems from being tortured and he made it through the campaign alive, ish
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tsa posted:I have no idea how he plans on running a modern presidential campaign with that weight. Like it's not even about the voters focusing on looks, which is a huge part of it, it's the technical aspect of how tough election campaigns are physically. There's a reason the last couple candidates and presidents have been in incredible shape. If his past is any indication, it will be run on pure spite.
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Alter Ego posted:Goddamn.
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tsa posted:There's legitimate reasons the guy is worthless, I honestly don't see the need to lie and pretend he's a bad businessman because he uses bankruptcy law to his advantage. He's making his business acumen one of the cornerstones of his campaign and we're not supposed to mock it? You know "family values" has nothing to do with how good a president you'd be, should we not say anything if/when one of the Duggars runs for president? "Personality" has nothing to do with being president either, so no more jokes about Romney being stiff, or Christie being crass, or Trump being vulgar. And no, Trump is a TERRIBLE businessman who has screwed more than one "partner" out of their money by declaring bankrupcy (also all of the other lovely business decisions he's made), the fact that his personal brand keeps that from being a total disaster is irrelevant.
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Why is Christie running? He has to know that he has ABSOLUTELY NO SHOT at winning the nomination? Who is in his ear telling him that he is still wearing clothes?
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Why is Christie running? He has to know that he has ABSOLUTELY NO SHOT at winning the nomination? Who is in his ear telling him that he is still wearing clothes? Thanks for that mental image
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Great_Gerbil posted:Thanks for that mental image  You're welcome.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:20
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Trabisnikof posted:But yet, buildings named "Trump" get lower rent than those not named "Trump". The real question is, who did that brand valuation and who paid for it? That's odd, as analysts posted:Jon Low, a partner at Predictiv, said his analysis found that Trump-branded projects generally commanded prices and rents between 9 and 17 percent above the average for the areas in which they’re located. Also, given that people do pay specifically for the right to use his name, it doesn't actually matter if it contributes to success or not - it has commercial value either way.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:21
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CCKeane posted:Sorry if this has been posted around, but Christie is going to announce.
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Trump may be heavily leveraged and talk too much poo poo but al this "lol no money" seems to ignore that he still has been able to consistently live like a king.
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Kalman posted:That's odd, as It would be nice if we could find a source that wasn't being paid by Trump Holdings as an "intangibles consultant." I'm looking for an article I read about relative rent prices of Trump buildings to other buildings, but I haven't found it yet.
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Chokes McGee posted:Did he immigrate directly to Louisiana? Because if so, "Bobby" is probably as close as you could get to a default name beyond going straight Tibideaux Thibodaux!
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Why is Santorum polling so poorly? I figured he would at least be in the top 10 this time.
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CCKeane posted:Sorry if this has been posted around, but Christie is going to announce. Stage may collapse in on itself in an Aggressive Loudmouth Singularity. I still can hardly believe that the GOP is running with Jeb. Hey guys, how about the brother of the guy we tried to throw down the memory hole immediately after his presidency ended? How's that strike your fancy, Voting Public? Eh? Ehhhh?
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CCKeane posted:Sorry if this has been posted around, but Christie is going to announce.
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Celador posted:Why is Santorum polling so poorly? I figured he would at least be in the top 10 this time. He's yesterday's crazy, old news and washed up. We want new, exciting crazy!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Christie has been building to this for a while, so it makes sense that he wouldn't want to throw away all the preparation he did for a Presidential run, but why bother? He had a halo following hurricane Sandy, but he crashed down to earth just like Bush after his 9/11 glow faded. He has no real constituency and the big money and organization have left him for other people. To win an election you need some combo of: What bugs me is that he got all the credit for Sandy (and Bush for 9/11) when they did basically nothing but accept money. The organizations that did all the work, government or private, have been around forever with little input. All they had to do was say, "yea go fix poo poo or whatever." Also, it's their loving job to do disaster relief when necessary! Yet, poo poo is so hosed up in our political system that we hold them up as gods simply for DOING THE BARE MINIMUM OF THEIR loving JOBS!
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He was born in to huge wealth at the perfect time. You'd need to be a retard to not increase your wealth in his position. elites_share_of_wealth_since_1970s_graph.jpg
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Anorexic Sea Turtle posted:What bugs me is that he got all the credit for Sandy (and Bush for 9/11) when they did basically nothing but accept money. The organizations that did all the work, government or private, have been around forever with little input. All they had to do was say, "yea go fix poo poo or whatever." Also, it's their loving job to do disaster relief when necessary! Yet, poo poo is so hosed up in our political system that we hold them up as gods simply for DOING THE BARE MINIMUM OF THEIR loving JOBS! He didn't spit in that traitor Obongo's face when Air Force One touched down in New Jersey. This is literally why he ended up in the doghouse in the first place.
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Trabisnikof posted:It would be nice if we could find a source that wasn't being paid by Trump Holdings as an "intangibles consultant." I'm looking for an article I read about relative rent prices of Trump buildings to other buildings, but I haven't found it yet. I mean, predictiv pretty much exists to do valuation of intangibles, they're only going to be so willing to adjust their conclusions for Trump's benefit. It's not a science at all - I do some (on patents) and there's definitely a lot of room for discussion most of the time. But the idea that his name is worth a billion or three isn't preposterous. It's probably the high end of its valuation range, but it's a reasonable range to be within. Given that in a bankruptcy dispute his name apparently received a valuation on the order of 100m+ per casino, the valuations I've seen from Forbes and similar are too low to be plausible.
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Martin O'Malley's Super PAC is now cutting attack ads against Bernie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SterfJsQyAY
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Joementum posted:Martin O'Malley's Super PAC is now cutting attack ads against Bernie. If he's playing to win why would he attack Sanders at all?
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