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Aug 17, 2015 01:29
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Pinterest Mom posted:shut up about ethnic cleansing bring back BBQ.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:30
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From the first day of announcing his candidacy, I've always been of the opinion that Trump was to be taken seriously and was going to win the GOP nom unless: - A consensus of opinion shaping right wing media focused their guns on him in a sustained way. Basically, the fear machine targeted him. - He ended up being a lovely debater and looked foolish/weak/liberal, opening the chink in his armor for this media to target. None of this has happened, and it doesn't seem like it's really going to. If trend lines continue, it seems like his support is strong enough among the base that there may not be any delegate hijinks to worry about either. Honestly, I'm not sure what can take him out. Maybe some major red meat scandal involving a homosexual experience in college combined with him secretly being a Democrat? Also, here's a really good video that explains primaries, caucuses, and delegates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QeYCg4yJ8
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Aug 17, 2015 01:31
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Montasque posted:I am digging how people are "going with their gut" on the definition of what ethnic cleansing is, instead of the actual definition of the word. How totally Trump. Very few words have only a single definition. Superficial labels especially. If you're engaging with a group that you know is going to be using a different definition than you, insisting on using that word is pretty stupid unless the goal is to shut down conversation. In this case, using the word at all is pretty stupid, since it doesn't add any additional information. So the question is, why? Why do you want to call Trump's plan ethnic cleansing? Dahbadu posted:None of this has happened, and it doesn't seem like it's really going to. If trend lines continue, it seems like his support is strong enough among the base that there may not be any delegate hijinks to worry about either. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 17, 2015 01:31
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GlyphGryph posted:Why do you want to call Trump's plan ethnic cleansing? Because it is. He's not going after Terry the dude from England who snuck in or Hans from Germany, it's targeted at Hispanics.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:33
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Dahbadu posted:From the first day of announcing his candidacy, I've always been of the opinion that Trump was to be taken seriously and was going to win the GOP nom unless: He has very high unfavorables as well as favorables. If enough of the other also-ran candidates dropped out, more of their support might go to non-Trump candidates, pushing someone else over the top. He's not just on top as an avatar of the deified billionaire class. He's also up there because other billionaire donors are keeping other candidates in the race when they shouldn't be.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:33
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Nintendo Kid posted:Because it is. "I am a pedant, and I find it incredibly important that you know that" is not a particularly significant contribution to any discussion, ever. And that's the most generous reading of your argument, followed by a total lack of introspective ability.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:36
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GlyphGryph posted:"I am a pedant, and I find it incredibly important that you know that" is not a particularly significant contribution to any discussion, ever. welcome to fishmech
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Aug 17, 2015 01:36
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He has very high unfavorables as well as favorables. If enough of the other also-ran candidates dropped out, more of their support might go to non-Trump candidates, pushing someone else over the top. Isn't he a high second choice candidate as well? He's much more charismatic then his immediate competition. When the also-rans eventually drop out, you don't think just as much support will be diffused in Trump's direction?
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Aug 17, 2015 01:38
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He has very high unfavorables as well as favorables. If enough of the other also-ran candidates dropped out, more of their support might go to non-Trump candidates, pushing someone else over the top. I'm not sure how strong this argument is - yes, he has high unfavourables. But he also has high unfavourables among his supporters, and is the only candidate who does. Disliking him doesn't seem to stop people from supporting him.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:39
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GlyphGryph posted:"I am a pedant, and I find it incredibly important that you know that" is not a particularly significant contribution to any discussion, ever. And that's the most generous reading of your argument, followed by a total lack of introspective ability. No this isn't being pedantic, he's straight up promoting ethnic cleansing and you're being a poutypants about how you don't like the accurate term. Your argument against this is "well, err, uh". Dude wants to eliminate like 10% of the country's population based on their race and you're trying to claim it ain't ethnic cleansing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 17, 2015 01:41
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Oh thank God.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:44
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BatTrump needs to save us from this talk about ethnic cleansing in the BatTrump thread.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:47
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Dahbadu posted:From the first day of announcing his candidacy, I've always been of the opinion that Trump was to be taken seriously and was going to win the GOP nom unless: The big flaw currently in his campaign is a lack of ground game and infrastructure. If he continues to run his campaign based on him just talking with no real ground game he's probably not going to win poo poo. Jeb! and the other candidates with an actual shot have been spending money and time on establishing campaign infrastructure, locking up experienced operatives and drawing upon decades of experience in the primaries. Creating the circumstances necessary for them to over perform their current polls. Trump on the other hand seems to just now be making moves toward the beginnings of a ground game, which unless he really gets on that means he's likely to under perform.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:47
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justice was served this day
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Aug 17, 2015 01:51
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Gyges posted:The big flaw currently in his campaign is a lack of ground game and infrastructure. If he continues to run his campaign based on him just talking with no real ground game he's probably not going to win poo poo. Jeb! and the other candidates with an actual shot have been spending money and time on establishing campaign infrastructure, locking up experienced operatives and drawing upon decades of experience in the primaries. Creating the circumstances necessary for them to over perform their current polls. Trump on the other hand seems to just now be making moves toward the beginnings of a ground game, which unless he really gets on that means he's likely to under perform. Yeah, I've heard this criticism. I agree that a ground game for traditional candidates is super important, especially if they don't have the "grassroots" support of the base. But I'm of the opinion that Trump isn't a traditional, so you can't really apply the same rules to him, and he already basically has what passes for the grassroots support of the base. I guess we'll see.
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Aug 17, 2015 01:54
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AssassinPrincess posted:I think when many people hear ethnic cleansing, they tend to think of it in terms of murder. Be sure to tell the Kurds that. From a safe distance. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 17, 2015 01:55
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Aug 17, 2015 01:56
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GlyphGryph posted:I'm not sure how strong this argument is - yes, he has high unfavourables. But he also has high unfavourables among his supporters, and is the only candidate who does. Disliking him doesn't seem to stop people from supporting him. Yeah, I'm not sure how strong it is either, just tossing it out as a possible.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:04
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, I'm not sure how strong it is either, just tossing it out as a possible. Yeah, I agree. It was a good argument to toss out for us to be aware of. I agree it's a factor. I guess we'll find out how much of a factor it is.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:05
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:No, lots of people legitimately like Reagan, mainly because he was the political equivalent of junk food. He provided simple, easy answers during a complex time and reassured people that they didn't have to reconsider any of their long-held beliefs about America. All of the terrible things he did during his term don't matter, even the things that blatantly contradict his conservative beliefs, Because he told Americans that they were good and that everything was going to be okay, thus s become the ultimate conservative daddy figure. Ummm, yes! I don't even acknowledge that people honestly liked Regan. Dying in a fire is too good for them. At this point in time he is a mythical figure that never really existed. The entire Ideation of him is just really goddamn weird.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:11
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Aug 17, 2015 02:13
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Pohl posted:Ummm, yes! I don't even acknowledge that people honestly liked Regan. haha, yeah, how weird of people to put some random dude on a pedestal and refer to him as a justification towards any action. itd be really funny if they did that with a jewish socialist or something lol
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Aug 17, 2015 02:14
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do you mean Jesus or Bernie?
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Aug 17, 2015 02:15
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Jesus is Mexican
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Aug 17, 2015 02:15
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Bobby is so depressing. Just knowing that he exists and thought he could become the president makes me a little sadder inside
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Aug 17, 2015 02:16
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Gyges posted:The big flaw currently in his campaign is a lack of ground game and infrastructure. If he continues to run his campaign based on him just talking with no real ground game he's probably not going to win poo poo. Jeb! and the other candidates with an actual shot have been spending money and time on establishing campaign infrastructure, locking up experienced operatives and drawing upon decades of experience in the primaries. Creating the circumstances necessary for them to over perform their current polls. Trump on the other hand seems to just now be making moves toward the beginnings of a ground game, which unless he really gets on that means he's likely to under perform. http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...45d8_story.html
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Aug 17, 2015 02:17
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yeah hes pretty much bought a ground game wholesale
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Aug 17, 2015 02:19
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Pinterest Mom posted:Into the helicopter went William, 9; Sean, 6; Brendan, 5; and Henry, who just turned 3. Their mother went with them. Henry got scared just before takeoff and left the aircraft to be with his father. The other boys remained. William brought a GoPro camera to capture the experience; a clip later wound up on Facebook. Trump grows more powerful each passing day
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Aug 17, 2015 02:20
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Dahbadu posted:Isn't he a high second choice candidate as well? He's much more charismatic then his immediate competition. When the also-rans eventually drop out, you don't think just as much support will be diffused in Trump's direction? From the polls I've seen, he's just slightly behind Bush and Walker as second choice. Together those three are the top second choices. I wish more polls would ask that question, knowing second and third choices would be very informative with regards to how the race is going to pan out when candidates start withdrawing.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:20
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When you're financing your own campaign it's easy as hell to go "Oh we don't have paid guys on the ground in Iowa? Look at how many guys Walker is paying and get me twice as many!"
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Aug 17, 2015 02:21
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HappyHippo posted:From the polls I've seen, he's just slightly behind Bush and Walker as second choice. Together those three are the top second choices. I wonder if their second choices will stay the same, or if the upcoming slap fights will hurt people's feelings and skew their picks.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:26
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Joementum posted:New EE forum background? 
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Aug 17, 2015 02:26
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anime was right posted:haha, yeah, how weird of people to put some random dude on a pedestal and refer to him as a justification towards any action. itd be really funny if they did that with a jewish socialist or something lol I'm gonna go sabotage the political election in the US and embark on some illegal weapons deal with Iran. Don't like me yet? I'm going to gently caress over and destroy South America, leading to future problems in America. Wait, Trump is talking about illegal immigration? How could this happen? Just a note: these were not bernie. and haha, jewish socialist. Edit: just a friendly reminder that these same loving people are hanging around Jeb Bush now, and will be his advisers if he is elected. Pohl fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 02:28
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This article is interesting. I'm just some guy on the internet that has enjoyed watching Trump crash into the Republican primary, but it really seems to me like his campaign is evolving into something no one expected: legitimate. I mean, the guy was in Iowa eating meat on a stick this past weekend alongside all of the other candidates. The media narrative is considerably less focused on trying to predict WHEN Trump will drop out. After surviving a few very bad "gaffes" (for a traditional pol) and beating back the FNC onslaught, no one can really define what will sink Trump's campaign. It's very early in the campaign cycle, but he has dominated the process on the Republican side and doesn't seem like he's going away anytime soon. When does the media narrative shift to asking how Jeb/Walker/Rubio will beat Trump? They have as much money as they could possibly spend, but without any enthusiasm I don't think they'll be able to get serious traction. They can spend 100 million dollars to shift a couple of percentage points in the polls but Trump will still be sitting on top. If Trump invests in a ground game to go along with the enthusiasm on his side I think the establishment is totally hosed and this could be a weird rebirth of the Republican party in the fallout. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
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Aug 17, 2015 02:31
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This is the most Jindal picture.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:33
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Montasque posted:The Leader of FREE REPUBLIC Jim Rob himself, just shat this out: What's Dalereed's opinion of Trump? Does he like him, or does he want him to lay down in the street and die?
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Aug 17, 2015 02:34
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Deep Hurting posted:What's Dalereed's opinion of Trump? Does he like him, or does he want him to lay down in the street and die? There are maybe 500 people in the entire world that care about that and none of them are posting in this thread. I love your work, but this is a really horrible question. You know where to find the thread you are looking for. Pohl fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 02:37
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Montasque posted:This is the most Jindal picture. Pop dat collar, moms.
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Dahbadu posted:Yeah, I've heard this criticism. I agree that a ground game for traditional candidates is super important, especially if they don't have the "grassroots" support of the base. But I'm of the opinion that Trump isn't a traditional, so you can't really apply the same rules to him, and he already basically has what passes for the grassroots support of the base. I guess we'll see. The ground game absolutely applies to Trump as much as it applies to anyone. That's what makes sure your supporters are know when and where to show up, are able to get there, and are actually showing up. You can have thousands of supporters, but if they don't know when to show up or don't/can't get to the location it's irrelevant. There's still plenty of time for his money to successfully buy a ground offensive. However with the way the caucuses work, it's much more difficult than in a primary. They're making comparisons with Obama's 2008 ground game, but I'm still skeptical. Part of Obama's strategy was getting a hold of experienced operatives who knew the caucuses in and out, and at this point I'm not sure how many really good operatives are left. However it is still early and Trump is gonna Trump, so we'll see. Gyges fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 02:40
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