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alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


Jobbo_Fett posted:

We did it, everyone!

Reddit thinks we're worse than Stormfront!


:lol::lol::yarg:

"say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, at least its an ethos"

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Chin
Dec 12, 2005

GET LOST 2013
-RALPH

Unfunny Poster posted:

No, that is based on the Voat.co post by someone who made a fake Dolvak account. Someone posted a PM with him on Reddit where he said it wasn't him who said it on Voat.
Yeah that post was very obviously and humorously fake.

People like Dolvak get off on the tiniest bit of internet authority. He probably lists the twitch channels he "mods for" on his resume. He even made statements just days before quitting about how he's seen it all and nothing phases him. One Twitch streamer's joke post wouldn't be enough to make him give it all up.

It's like when Reddit admins had to step in on /r/dereksmart because the mods were giving Karl's post encouraging people to contact Derek's wife and kid tacit approval by ignoring all reports. The next day they played it off as their own decision and made a stickied post flexing their mod muscles.

Bullshit posturing by broken people.

Thronde
Aug 4, 2012

Fun Shoe
"The worst kind of Internet People"

Says a Redditor. Let's remind ourselves, which community was all up in arms about banning bigotry, racism and loving pedophilia from their own site?

So, so, so close to being self-aware.

Edit for @FatKraken, thanks for linking that thread. Reading through it is awesome and the misses is fully on board too. Except now I have to work out even more than I do for the military :doh:

Thronde fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Feb 23, 2016

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Thronde posted:

This thread has me fatshaming myself. I'm 5'9 and 186 lbs. Now I feel the need to drop sodas entirely (I've been working on that addiction for years), problem is finding a decent replacement. I'll probably check the fit Goons thread, but to save time, straight black coffee good/no good?

Thankfully the misses and I both eat relatively healthy, we need to cut back on the olive oil and balsamic vinegar in our salad I'm sure, but eh. We both want to shred some weight for our wedding this year and actually keep it off.

That's my weight story, thanks for reading commandos. o9

Also, go gently caress yourselves Reddit.

Black coffee is great

Especially cool and carbonated :guinness:

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you

Thronde posted:

"The worst kind of Internet People"

Says a Redditor. Let's remind ourselves, which community was all up in arms about banning bigotry, racism and loving pedophilia from their own site?

So, so, so close to being self-aware.

:aatrek:

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

peter gabriel posted:

Beep boop

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/319406/ten-4-the-dissapointed

I wonder how long until it gets moved to the concern forum then closed for not having a poll

Remember when citizens used to proudly boast their real thruster physics as a unique selling point? Now the thrust is faked because jesus who the gently caress cares? Why CIG, why did you fake your thursters? We trusted you CIG

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001

Well, speaking of bigotry, way to go cig for naming an alien race after a large city in China. Assuming they weren't racist enough to make their aliens literally chinese, someone putting their finger on an atlas and saying "i guess this sounds pretty alien" isn't all that much better

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Thronde posted:

gently caress getting old.

Still better than dying young ;)

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
Oh space, it's bigger
It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The ships that I will pledge for
The money in your eyes
Oh no, I've spent too much
I bought it up

That's me in the website
That's me in the pledge store
Losing my immersion
Trying to keep up with loans
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no, I've spent too much
I haven't spent enough

I thought that I heard you clicking
I thought that I heard you type
I think I thought I saw you buy

Every whisper
Of every waking hour
I'm choosing my conditions
Trying to keep an eye on price
Like a hurt, lost and blinded fool, fool
Oh no, I've spent too much
I bought it up

Consider this
Consider this, the hint of a tech-demo
Consider this, the ship
That brought me to my knees, failed
What if all these fantasies come
Flailing around
Now I've spent too much

I thought that I heard you clicking
I thought that I heard you type
I think I thought I saw you buy

But that was just a dream
That was just a dream

That's me in the website
That's me in the pledge store
Losing my immersion
Trying to keep up with loans
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no, I've spent too much
I haven't spent enough

I thought that I heard you clicking
I thought that I heard you type
I think I thought I saw you buy

But that was just a dream
Buy, cry, why buy
That was just a dream
Just a dream
Just a dream, dream

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

lmao if you can stay connected for 5 rams you get a time out

Krakenwagen
Oct 31, 2015

Are the "worst kind of people" like the "worst kind of electricity"? Are we a bunch of Stimperials yet?

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Krakenwagen posted:

Are the "worst kind of people" like the "worst kind of electricity"? Are we a bunch of Stimperials yet?
The shitposts multiply every etc. etc.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
The Protocols of the Elders of Goonism

I get a lot of PMs about this, so I think it might be a good idea to put this in the thread.

As you all know, we have worked on our battle plan to fight the threat from Star Citizen, which if unchecked might dissuade people from buying our game of games, Derek Smart's Line of Defense. Our current strategy focuses on a two-pronged assault of trollism and mockery. Mockery is not easily taught, but trollism is more of a craft - this might serve to increase the return on trolling for those new to the trade.

Trolling
You might be excused for believing that we focus on a :goon: of negative users on Reddit - openly or lightly veiled goons. This is in fact just a fraction of our current efforts. To understand how to troll successfully and with a high amount of toxicism-per-troll, you will first have to understand how the Citizen mind works and how to convincingly act as one.

Citizens can be easily divided into four groups, based on their professed and actual level expectations on the game.

  • Low professed and low actual expectations are the type of low-level backers who don't keep up with the drama or development too much. They don't proselytize and generally hope for a cool game somewhere down the road, or have given up totally. Trolling as one of them has a very low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • Low-high Citizens are whiners who will criticize anything CIG makes whether they succeed in their efforts or not. Trolls who are perceived as such get quickly downvoted and thus have a low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • High-high Citizens are backers who take CIG's claims seriously, but also judge them by their own standards. They come in all backer levels and usually begin with high hopes for the game, with time tempered by contact with released content and perceived misconducts by CIG. They have the potential for high toxicity-per-troll by dividing the audience into detractors and supporters, but require high effort to come across as both well-informed and fair in their criticism.

  • High-low Citizens are the semi-conscious shills whose priority is maintaining the narrative of successful development, whatever the evidence to the contrary. They are confident in voicing ludicrously high hopes for any promised, hinted-to or assumed features that SC might have in the future, comparing the imagined "finished" Star Citizen to their unflattering view of other actually finished games. They are simultaneously eager to defend any released content in Star Citizen through any of a number of go-to excuses: "it's alpha", "it's open development", "it's the [goons,community's,derek's] fault", "it was the plan all along", "don't be such a privileged and entitled twat" and so on. These citizens have best toxicity-per-troll return, being easily faked and requiring very low effort to maintain. We already have a number of prominent Reddit accounts shaping the debate through their unquestioning loyalty to CIG, expressed in increasingly shrill staccato.

A good way to get the feel of different trollisms is to create multiple accounts (use private tabs) and have them debate each other with their different stupid "beliefs". Once you've farmed a decent number of upvotes with an account you can begin to engage others by supporting their stupid position just a little bit too aggressively, or disagreeing with them just slightly louder than the others. Don't be afraid of the risk of debating other trolls, it also serves to steer the discussion shitward - fake an opinion and watch them dance :getin:

Good luck in the 'ddit commandos o9

Krakenwagen
Oct 31, 2015

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

The Protocols of the Elders of Goonism

I get a lot of PMs about this, so I think it might be a good idea to put this in the thread.

As you all know, we have worked on our battle plan to fight the threat from Star Citizen, which if unchecked might dissuade people from buying our game of games, Derek Smart's Line of Defense. Our current strategy focuses on a two-pronged assault of trollism and mockery. Mockery is not easily taught, but trollism is more of a craft - this might serve to increase the return on trolling for those new to the trade.

Trolling
You might be excused for believing that we focus on a :goon: of negative users on Reddit - openly or lightly veiled goons. This is in fact just a fraction of our current efforts. To understand how to troll successfully and with a high amount of toxicism-per-troll, you will first have to understand how the Citizen mind works and how to convincingly act as one.

Citizens can be easily divided into four groups, based on their professed and actual level expectations on the game.

  • Low professed and low actual expectations are the type of low-level backers who don't keep up with the drama or development too much. They don't proselytize and generally hope for a cool game somewhere down the road, or have given up totally. Trolling as one of them has a very low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • Low-high Citizens are whiners who will criticize anything CIG makes whether they succeed in their efforts or not. Trolls who are perceived as such get quickly downvoted and thus have a low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • High-high Citizens are backers who take CIG's claims seriously, but also judge them by their own standards. They come in all backer levels and usually begin with high hopes for the game, with time tempered by contact with released content and perceived misconducts by CIG. They have the potential for high toxicity-per-troll by dividing the audience into detractors and supporters, but require high effort to come across as both well-informed and fair in their criticism.

  • High-low Citizens are the semi-conscious shills whose priority is maintaining the narrative of successful development, whatever the evidence to the contrary. They are confident in voicing ludicrously high hopes for any promised, hinted-to or assumed features that SC might have in the future, comparing the imagined "finished" Star Citizen to their unflattering view of other actually finished games. They are simultaneously eager to defend any released content in Star Citizen through any of a number of go-to excuses: "it's alpha", "it's open development", "it's the [goons,community's,derek's] fault", "it was the plan all along", "don't be such a privileged and entitled twat" and so on. These citizens have best toxicity-per-troll return, being easily faked and requiring very low effort to maintain. We already have a number of prominent Reddit accounts shaping the debate through their unquestioning loyalty to CIG, expressed in increasingly shrill staccato.

A good way to get the feel of different trollisms is to create multiple accounts (use private tabs) and have them debate each other with their different stupid "beliefs". Once you've farmed a decent number of upvotes with an account you can begin to engage others by supporting their stupid position just a little bit too aggressively, or disagreeing with them just slightly louder than the others. Don't be afraid of the risk of debating other trolls, it also serves to steer the discussion shitward - fake an opinion and watch them dance :getin:

Good luck in the 'ddit commandos o9

Thanks for reposting this, it's good to have a refresher as I think there were some slips here and there, even with the Dolvak plan being a total success.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Krakenwagen posted:

Thanks for reposting this, it's good to have a refresher as I think there were some slips here and there, even with the Dolvak plan being a total success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTC_fD598A

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

spacetoaster posted:

Dude, it's huge. Here we go:




The amount of padding is too drat high. My eyes glazed over after 7 bullet points were used to identify and describe the same UI system in the first bit.

I mean it's more than changing an xml file but come on guys you're not explaining your newest lego creation to your mom

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

The Protocols of the Elders of Goonism

I get a lot of PMs about this, so I think it might be a good idea to put this in the thread.

As you all know, we have worked on our battle plan to fight the threat from Star Citizen, which if unchecked might dissuade people from buying our game of games, Derek Smart's Line of Defense. Our current strategy focuses on a two-pronged assault of trollism and mockery. Mockery is not easily taught, but trollism is more of a craft - this might serve to increase the return on trolling for those new to the trade.

Trolling
You might be excused for believing that we focus on a :goon: of negative users on Reddit - openly or lightly veiled goons. This is in fact just a fraction of our current efforts. To understand how to troll successfully and with a high amount of toxicism-per-troll, you will first have to understand how the Citizen mind works and how to convincingly act as one.

Citizens can be easily divided into four groups, based on their professed and actual level expectations on the game.

  • Low professed and low actual expectations are the type of low-level backers who don't keep up with the drama or development too much. They don't proselytize and generally hope for a cool game somewhere down the road, or have given up totally. Trolling as one of them has a very low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • Low-high Citizens are whiners who will criticize anything CIG makes whether they succeed in their efforts or not. Trolls who are perceived as such get quickly downvoted and thus have a low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • High-high Citizens are backers who take CIG's claims seriously, but also judge them by their own standards. They come in all backer levels and usually begin with high hopes for the game, with time tempered by contact with released content and perceived misconducts by CIG. They have the potential for high toxicity-per-troll by dividing the audience into detractors and supporters, but require high effort to come across as both well-informed and fair in their criticism.

  • High-low Citizens are the semi-conscious shills whose priority is maintaining the narrative of successful development, whatever the evidence to the contrary. They are confident in voicing ludicrously high hopes for any promised, hinted-to or assumed features that SC might have in the future, comparing the imagined "finished" Star Citizen to their unflattering view of other actually finished games. They are simultaneously eager to defend any released content in Star Citizen through any of a number of go-to excuses: "it's alpha", "it's open development", "it's the [goons,community's,derek's] fault", "it was the plan all along", "don't be such a privileged and entitled twat" and so on. These citizens have best toxicity-per-troll return, being easily faked and requiring very low effort to maintain. We already have a number of prominent Reddit accounts shaping the debate through their unquestioning loyalty to CIG, expressed in increasingly shrill staccato.

A good way to get the feel of different trollisms is to create multiple accounts (use private tabs) and have them debate each other with their different stupid "beliefs". Once you've farmed a decent number of upvotes with an account you can begin to engage others by supporting their stupid position just a little bit too aggressively, or disagreeing with them just slightly louder than the others. Don't be afraid of the risk of debating other trolls, it also serves to steer the discussion shitward - fake an opinion and watch them dance :getin:

Good luck in the 'ddit commandos o9

Adding this to the wiki

Lack of Gravitas
Oct 11, 2012

Grimey Drawer

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

The Protocols of the Elders of Goonism

I get a lot of PMs about this, so I think it might be a good idea to put this in the thread.

As you all know, we have worked on our battle plan to fight the threat from Star Citizen, which if unchecked might dissuade people from buying our game of games, Derek Smart's Line of Defense. Our current strategy focuses on a two-pronged assault of trollism and mockery. Mockery is not easily taught, but trollism is more of a craft - this might serve to increase the return on trolling for those new to the trade.

Trolling
You might be excused for believing that we focus on a :goon: of negative users on Reddit - openly or lightly veiled goons. This is in fact just a fraction of our current efforts. To understand how to troll successfully and with a high amount of toxicism-per-troll, you will first have to understand how the Citizen mind works and how to convincingly act as one.

Citizens can be easily divided into four groups, based on their professed and actual level expectations on the game.

  • Low professed and low actual expectations are the type of low-level backers who don't keep up with the drama or development too much. They don't proselytize and generally hope for a cool game somewhere down the road, or have given up totally. Trolling as one of them has a very low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • Low-high Citizens are whiners who will criticize anything CIG makes whether they succeed in their efforts or not. Trolls who are perceived as such get quickly downvoted and thus have a low toxicism-per-troll yield.

  • High-high Citizens are backers who take CIG's claims seriously, but also judge them by their own standards. They come in all backer levels and usually begin with high hopes for the game, with time tempered by contact with released content and perceived misconducts by CIG. They have the potential for high toxicity-per-troll by dividing the audience into detractors and supporters, but require high effort to come across as both well-informed and fair in their criticism.

  • High-low Citizens are the semi-conscious shills whose priority is maintaining the narrative of successful development, whatever the evidence to the contrary. They are confident in voicing ludicrously high hopes for any promised, hinted-to or assumed features that SC might have in the future, comparing the imagined "finished" Star Citizen to their unflattering view of other actually finished games. They are simultaneously eager to defend any released content in Star Citizen through any of a number of go-to excuses: "it's alpha", "it's open development", "it's the [goons,community's,derek's] fault", "it was the plan all along", "don't be such a privileged and entitled twat" and so on. These citizens have best toxicity-per-troll return, being easily faked and requiring very low effort to maintain. We already have a number of prominent Reddit accounts shaping the debate through their unquestioning loyalty to CIG, expressed in increasingly shrill staccato.

A good way to get the feel of different trollisms is to create multiple accounts (use private tabs) and have them debate each other with their different stupid "beliefs". Once you've farmed a decent number of upvotes with an account you can begin to engage others by supporting their stupid position just a little bit too aggressively, or disagreeing with them just slightly louder than the others. Don't be afraid of the risk of debating other trolls, it also serves to steer the discussion shitward - fake an opinion and watch them dance :getin:

Good luck in the 'ddit commandos o9

You posted this in the public thread instead of the private one :doh:

Yolomon Wayne
Jun 10, 2014

You call it "The Big Bang", but what really happened is
Grimey Drawer
Wait, every 10 minutes your criminal level is reduced by 1?
You can be an rear end in a top hat once every 10 minutes for free?

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?
Great, now all the reddit users are gonna screencap that poo poo, shut the thread!

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
If you want to see the wiki I'm compiling, PM me with your username + email combo. Alternatively, comment on my youtube video or steam account. Details on where to find those are in the private thread.

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?
Someone contact sandi and chris in the private thread, the jig is up, i'm on the phone with lesnick and You must upgrade to gold to see this message

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Lack of Gravitas posted:

You posted this in the public thread instead of the private one :doh:

The thing is, whatever measures they might think up to counteract us actually works against them. I've done blind tests, and it's simply not possible for them to sort the trolls from the shitizens

If anything we err on the reasonable side

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
Tijuana Bibliophile edit that out, wrong thread.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Brazilianpeanutwar posted:

Someone contact sandi and chris in the private thread, the jig is up, i'm on the phone with lesnick and You must upgrade to gold to see this message

I'm posting from the chopper over the CIG offices right now. Two tangos or just Lesnick on thermals. Calling Go-Code Charlie in five.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Lime Tonics posted:

At Level 5 point, a global bounty mission is posted to all characters on the server instructing them to hunt down and kill the character. Each Criminal level adds 30 seconds of "jail time" to your respawn. When a Criminal is killed, they will be locked into their spawn-bedroom for the duration of their penalty time. If you are killed while at Criminal Level 5, you will be kicked off the server!! There are only two ways to reduce your Criminal level. Waiting 10 minutes without committing a crime will naturally reduce the level by 1. There is a console in Security Post Kareah that you can "hack". Each hack you initiate and complete drops your wanted level by 1. However, each hack takes 1 minutes to complete, and other criminals can interrupt your hack by initiating their own.

ahahahahahaha this really is going to be the most boring game ever.

My god they've made the game literally into reddit :lol:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Kavak posted:

I'm posting from the chopper over the CIG offices right now. Two tangos or just Lesnick on thermals. Calling Go-Code Charlie in five.

The BLUE fox howls at the full moon. DO NOT TRUST codename DELIVERANCE

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Crazy Achmed posted:

Well, speaking of bigotry, way to go cig for naming an alien race after a large city in China. Assuming they weren't racist enough to make their aliens literally chinese, someone putting their finger on an atlas and saying "i guess this sounds pretty alien" isn't all that much better

Counterpoint: the map of China is pretty much the Library of Babel

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

Kavak posted:

I'm posting from the chopper over the CIG offices right now. Two tangos or just Lesnick on thermals. Calling Go-Code Charlie in five.

Do not fire on the completionist package, I repeat do not fire! If we lose that we have no chance of griefing them from now till forever.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

The BLUE fox howls at the full moon. DO NOT TRUST codename DELIVERANCE

42

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Krakenwagen posted:

Are the "worst kind of people" like the "worst kind of electricity"? Are we a bunch of Stimperials yet?

:gary: «Look at you goon, with your reasonable arguments and pseuso-intelectual bullshit. gently caress off goonie.»

:regd08:

«Why do they just make typo ridden shitposts instead of arguing like civilized people?» :qq:

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



I griefed in Elite and only got a bounty which turned into a fine. What a terrible game

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/476cy5/welcome_to_sc_cough_i_meant_to_say_welcome_to_shc/



:allears:

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

Lime Tonics posted:

If you are killed while at Criminal Level 5, you will be kicked off the server!!

Immer-shun!

Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4766em/so_close_star_marine_ptu_220/





I'll bet it won't be in any way connected to the PU

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?
What I see in this latest set of patch notes is that CIG has abandoned their planned (:lol:) development of the game in lieu of creating a meta-game specifically designed to thwart goon activity. This is funny on several levels:

1) It shows that we continue to control the game's direction
2) It moves the game farther and farther from its original vision
3) We're gonna find workarounds anyway, which will then determine the direction of the next patch

I think we have enough people here who work in development related industries who can back me up on this assertion: temporary fixes and workarounds almost always become permanent legacy mechanics. This poorly-planned GTA "criminal stars" mechanic is going to be here for a while, and it's going to be an unstable foundation upon which many other ill-fated systems will be built. Ramming ships was more important to "fix" than the ships working in the first place.

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.

All that was needed to show everyone that Star Marine was really real was a menu option named "Star Marine".

I know, I know, it doesn't actually do anything when selected.

It's the idea of the menu option. Remember...

"DREAM"

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

Scruffpuff posted:

Ramming ships was more important to "fix" than the ships working in the first place.

Clearly you have no idea how game development REALLY works! They always had plans for dealing with bad bois!

intardnation
Feb 18, 2016

I'm going to space!

:gary: :yarg:

Thronde posted:

This thread has me fatshaming myself. I'm 5'9 and 186 lbs. Now I feel the need to drop sodas entirely (I've been working on that addiction for years), problem is finding a decent replacement. I'll probably check the fit Goons thread, but to save time, straight black coffee good/no good?

Thankfully the misses and I both eat relatively healthy, we need to cut back on the olive oil and balsamic vinegar in our salad I'm sure, but eh. We both want to shred some weight for our wedding this year and actually keep it off.

That's my weight story, thanks for reading commandos. o9

Also, go gently caress yourselves Reddit.

cut out caffine your body will love you for it. Stick to water,juice and reduce the pop.
Make sure to stay hydrated.

Tank Boy Ken
Aug 24, 2012
J4G for life
Fallen Rib

intardnation posted:

cut out caffine your body will love you for it. Stick to water,juice and reduce the pop.
Make sure to stay hydrated.

I guess it's not okay to replace coffe with milk ?

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Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Scruffpuff posted:

I was just reviewing some of the more enjoyable stretch goals that RSI has, for some reason, left up on their site. Please keep in mind when reading these that CIG committed to these features even if funding dried up 100% after reaching these numbers.


$3.75 million

Squadron 42 will feature a richer storyline and 45 total missions.

This one has always been a personal favorite, because it implies there are two storylines. A weak-sauce one if funding had missed the goal, and a "richer" one if we were all good little boys and girls and gave the Crimperor enough cash. {Spoiler alert: Chris can't write a rich storyline.)


This actually just means a storyline with more guys named Rich.

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