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Rotacixe posted:In one of those videos there is a JN machine gun nest protected by cinder blocks. Anything high caliber will eat trough them no problem. High caliber? AK fire will chew up cinderblocks reasonably quickly and there's plenty of those around.
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chairface posted:High caliber? AK fire will chew up cinderblocks reasonably quickly and there's plenty of those around. Even 9mm handguns will chew up cinderblocks.
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chairface posted:High caliber? AK fire will chew up cinderblocks reasonably quickly and there's plenty of those around. I know, probably not the best choice of words.
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Valley Troll posted:This claim - that "Arab" militaries are deficient due to deficiencies inherent to "Arab" culture - has been around for a long time and several people have made careers in academia researching and building on this claim. Kenneth Pollack is probably the person most widely associated with it. Although he wasn't the first person to make this or related claims hinging on the inherent inferiority of Arab culture, he spelled it out very clearly in his PhD dissertation. Needless to say, there are a ton of undefended (and indefensible) assertions and assumptions in the linked article, e.g., that Arab armies of the conquest can be considered as part of the same cultural unit as modern Arab militaries; that the Egyptian army struggling to defeat guerrillas in Yemen proves the inferiority of "Arab" culture (as it applies to the military), but the failure of Israel to defeat Hezbollah over several decades doesn't prove the inferiority of "western" culture, etc. To be fair though it isn't exclusively arab either, even if it is no less real. The real kicker is that these problems are more common in some totalitarian systems, China had to a certain extent similar problems before they started reforming the military in the 90's, the USSR learned alot of similar lessons in afghanistan etc. That said, I'm perfectly aware the analysis in the article isn't flawless or that there isn't more to it than "culture". But to pretend that attitudes don't affect militaries, especially on a leadership and organisational level is turning a blind eye to history, even if an army has signifigant commitments elsewhere. But lets say that the 67 Egyptian army wasn't in Yemen aswell, it ignores alot of the facts that made the israeli victory so swift and decisive, this with some parity between the two. Almost the entire Egyptian airforce was destroyed preemptively for example, and I don't think even doubling the number of boots on the ground could change an outcome in a post WWII conflict where such a thing happens on such a relatively small battlefield. Now, lets not get into clancey chat, but statistics arent everything either, just like culture. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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I have no idea what "Arab culture" is, yet both "Arab" and "culture" are words on my university degree.
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Goons successfully deconstruct culture once again, turns out societies are just randomly generated out of thin air after all, gg see you next round.
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Phlegmish posted:Israel is not a Western country. It's also a complete straw man of Pollack's work, considering he lauds Egyptian military performance in the north Sinai while dealing with the Yemen war, among other points (assuming they're extrapolating his arguments to the article cited). And the odern version of his argument -- I'm not sure about his PhD dissertation -- rests on how certain Middle Eastern states have for political and organizational reasons mismanaged their junior officer corps, and that this mismanagement has a downhill effect on tactical prowess. MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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KaptainKrunk posted:The whole "Middle Eastern forces are incompetent" is mostly based on a small sample size of forces that are meant to be pretty useless at doing things other than shooting protesters. Small sample size is a nonsense complaint,I think people just like throwing out statistics terms they don't understand these days. You don't need thousands of observations for basic inference or else a bunch of medical trials wouldn't exist. Look it's not very complicated, they get a bad rep because of, you know, recorded history. Even groups like hezbolla are pretty terrible all considered, 2006 was more a function of Israel's incompetence than actual fighting proficiency. It's not like Syria went all that well for them, which is an actual test of fighting ability, their success comes from dug in guerrilla war. Waiting out an undetermined enemy in friendly territory while taking heavy casualties isn't a tremendously difficult task, where they should be noted for their success is how good they are at recruiting bullet sponges.
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Phlegmish posted:Goons successfully deconstruct culture once again, turns out societies are just randomly generated out of thin air after all, gg see you next round. I'm sorry, of course, "Arab culture" is definitely a concrete thing that is very well-suited as an analytical variable without even the slightest need for definition. Sarcasm is such a great way to communicate in.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4egzv1/rojava_administration_will_not_allow_and_not/ http://cantonafrin.com/ar/news/view...9%86%D8%A7.html Rojava administration will not allow and not recognize parliament elections scheduled by Assad's government. Once again, the Kurds are reminding everyone that while they may not be fighting Assad, that doesn't mean they like him or the Syrian Government.
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I described the saga of Caro to my wife and she said "So he's Soldier in real life?" Yup, that pretty much sums it up.  (note: Soldier went overseas to fight Nazis in 1949) Politifact rates this Mostly False: Caro was actually a sniper in real life Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Eh, I wouldn't call Caro a sniper. He taught himself how to shoot guns, but I don't think he knew anything about observation or long-range ballistics. On the other hand, I don't think many "snipers" in the theaters of Libya and Syria know about those things either.
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tsa posted:Small sample size is a nonsense complaint,I think people just like throwing out statistics terms they don't understand these days. You don't need thousands of observations for basic inference or else a bunch of medical trials wouldn't exist. I would even doubt recorded history and actual tests of fighting ability. Caro has successfully performed more battlefield reporting, first aid rescues, sniper duels, and POW survivals, but would you say a brigade of Caros would be more effective than a brigade of US soldiers? You know what? Don't answer that.
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Was it ever confirmed that Caro had actually killed anyone? I seem to remember some videos of him shooting but coupled with reports from the people he fought with that he was prone to schizophrenic breaks on the battlefield I kinda doubt he actually hit anyone.
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RZApublican posted:Was it ever confirmed that Caro had actually killed anyone? I seem to remember some videos of him shooting but coupled with reports from the people he fought with that he was prone to schizophrenic breaks on the battlefield I kinda doubt he actually hit anyone. Schizophrenic breaks don't make you suddenly a better/worse shot, unfortunately.
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tsa posted:Small sample size is a nonsense complaint,I think people just like throwing out statistics terms they don't understand these days. You don't need thousands of observations for basic inference or else a bunch of medical trials wouldn't exist. So achieving strategic victory against a technologically superior force is actually a sign of failure now, for Arabs.
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Schizotek posted:Schizophrenic breaks don't make you suddenly a better/worse shot, unfortunately. The only video in which he's actually firing that I remember was some time where he thought he'd seen movement in a window so he shoots at it a few times, hitting nothing.
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Jagchosis posted:So achieving strategic victory against a technologically superior force is actually a sign of failure now, for Arabs. Aside from occasionally killing random Israelis/Palestinians/Lebanese to fuel perpetual hostilities at the behest of Iran and Syria what would that strategic victory be? Maybe loving over the Lebanese government in various ways or solidifying support for conservative shitheels in the Israeli government? Murdering a shitload of people Iran doesn't like in Syria is probably the only one that would really fit into the "strategic" category. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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SedanChair posted:Eh, I wouldn't call Caro a sniper. He taught himself how to shoot guns, but I don't think he knew anything about observation or long-range ballistics. It depends; how was his Jarate?
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Kaal posted:Turkey routinely blocks Facebook and Twitter, but presumably you know that. Kurds in the southeast are being cracked down on right now, and there is a heavy police presence throughout the region. Do know what town your friend is in? sparatuvs posted:He's almost certainly ok unless he aimed an AK at an APC. Does he hang around with PKK types?
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Captain Bravo posted:I think the Middle East thread has finally found our version of the Ted Rall Ebert quote. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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usb teledildonics posted:He's in Batman. It wasn't that bad a few months ago but now it's gone full hellhole thanks to Erdogan and PKK assholes. How bad has Batman gotten? I remember the bridge bombing, and there was a firefight outside my hotel up in Tatvan, but Batman was super chill compared to Van or Doughbeyazit when I went through. Batman is pretty huge though, unlikely something could go down there without it leaking out.
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RZApublican posted:Was it ever confirmed that Caro had actually killed anyone? I seem to remember some videos of him shooting but coupled with reports from the people he fought with that he was prone to schizophrenic breaks on the battlefield I kinda doubt he actually hit anyone. I just wanted to say that, to my knowledge, it has never truly been confirmed that he had schizophrenia. It was my guess after interacting with him and hearing a little about his background but it isn't clear. Also, people have schizophrenia chronically and don't go through "schizophrenic breaks" though they can go into and out of delusions. Rime posted:How bad has Batman gotten? The most recent movie was pretty universally panned.
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Captain Bravo posted:I think the Middle East thread has finally found our version of the Ted Rall Ebert quote. You may have to explain this one. Not the 40K ref, I got that, but the Ted Rall Ebert thing.
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Darth Walrus posted:You may have to explain this one.  panel 5 is the one people always reference.
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What Ive always loved more than the text of that panel is his little illustration of that dumb moment. It's too bad about Ted Rall. I remember liking his 90s/early 2000s work as a lil kid like Search and Destroy where it was just like more general sociopolitical/culture critiques and commentary about capitalism/consumerism but like with actual attempts at humor and not weird bitter inflammatory comics with hyper specific political rants and poor attempts at humor. Like when it was more Gen X talking points and less like, GENERALISIMO BUSH. Feel like even the art is even uglier in a way if that's possible. Dunno what happened. 9/11 changed a lot of people.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Dunno what happened. 9/11 changed a lot of people. Also did any of the many "smarter critics" ever managed to take the place of Ebert and Sickel in the American media?
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The SDF launched a failed attack on the village of Sheikh Issa in the Azaz pocket overnight. Not sure what the logic was, but it comes as the Marea' and Huwar Kilis ops rooms are struggling with IS around al-Rai, so it garners no love from the anti-IS FSA forces.
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Kopijeger posted:When did the Soviets have a professional military? Man, nothing like misreading a post to say the exact opposite of what it actually says. 
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So, um, this happened: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/saudi-arabia-strips-religious-police-arresting-power-160413141418824.html quote:Saudi Arabia has stripped its religious forces of their powers to arrest, urging them to act "kindly and gently" in enforcing Islamic rules.
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Anybody still have that little comic that was drawn up of the current situation in the middle east and each country is represented by a cartoon person holding a gun to the person next to them while Iraq holds a gun to its own head?
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Turkey asks Germany to prosecute comedian over Erdoğan poem lmao
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Good luck with that, and  if Germany does.They won't, I suspect.
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 ISIS's claimed military successes in 2016, from the new Dabiq.
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Böhmermann: You're such a goat fucker Erdoğan! Erdoğan: Jan, why would you call me a goat fucker!? Böhmermann: Well let's see, first of all, you gently caress goats! Both: Oh yeah! Hahaha! CommieGIR posted:So, um, this happened:
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sparatuvs posted:ISIS's claimed military successes in 2016, from the new Dabiq. So they're claiming military successes in Tadmur/Palmyra? Uh guys, about that...
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I was going to ask if Erdogan was suffering from brain damage, but i think everyone in this thread know the diagnosis is worse than that.quote:So they're claiming military successes in Tadmur/Palmyra? Uh guys, about that... 
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CommieGIR posted:Good luck with that, and Doesn't Germany have libel laws directly forbidding insulting foreign heads of state?
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Friendly Humour posted:Doesn't Germany have libel laws directly forbidding insulting foreign heads of state?
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I just finished reading the latest issue of Dabiq (except the chapter on the Muslim Brotherhood because I was getting bored - this edition feels a lot more wordy than previous ones) and I didn't see that image in it. That's not to say ISIS didn't make it - it certainly looks legit to me. TBH it's not entirely wrong. The loss of Tadmur (a small, isolated town in the middle of the desert) isn't some giant blow to ISIS despite what Pro-Assad actors would make out. Especially as ISIS took it pretty much with almost no resistance, and abandoned it with a decent fighting retreat that inflicted some decent losses on their enemy. Regarding this issue of Dabiq, it features an article ostensibly written by John Cantlie. ISIS also claims responsibility for some actions in Bangladesh and KSA. Ends with an interview with the alleged Emir of the "Khilafa's soldiers in Bengal". Interview contains a lot of vitriol directed at Jamaat-e-Islami and "deviant sects" like Hindus, Sufis, Christians etc. Says they would like to one day be able to strike at Burma/Myanmar to protect the Muslim population there (the Rohingya, who are being persecuted) but first they must establish a stronghold in Bangladesh itself. quote:The Muslims in Burma have been oppressed by the mushrik Buddhists for a long period of time. Our hearts are with them and we believe it is a duty upon us to help them and support them in every possible way. And we will begin launching operations within Burma once we’ve reached the capability to do so, bi idnillâh. He says one of the obstacles to this is the Hindu population, that he says spread anti-Islamic propaganda and working with Indian intelligence. quote:Thus, we believe Sharī’ah in Bengal won’t be achieved until the local Hindus are targeted in mass numbers and until a state of polarization is created in the region, dividing between the believers and the disbelievers, bi idhnillāh. Also talk about possible co-ordination with Wilayat Khurasan (AF-PAK), and what that could possibly mean for long term plans to attack in India. Radio Prune fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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