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Pappyland posted:Contact your embassy ASAP. Listen to this man/woman/porpoise.
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Yeah, this much heat being applied, I sincerely doubt its a small group. Looks like they have the majority of the Army and Air Force mobilozed
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Laphroaig posted:Get to an embassy immediately. The elephants graveyards of SA moderation. But yeah do that.
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Brown Moses posted:I'm literally in Turkey at the moment, this is a weird moment for me. Expect internet access to be further restricted very soon, if it hasn't been already. Also contact the embassy and shelter in place.
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Laphroaig posted:Get to an embassy immediately. They're shooting outside, that's probably not wise. Let them know where you are, but don't leave.
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Laphroaig posted:Get to an embassy immediately. This didn't work last time.
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Sai posted:I thought the Gulen movement was way more moderate than the AKP? They're not Islamists I think, but they probably hate Kurds even more.
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http://t24.com.tr/haber/tsk-yonetime-el-koyuldu,350149 Use google translate, it's the coup's statement. Disinterested posted:The elephants graveyards of SA moderation. Thanks, rear end in a top hat, I laughed. 
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mcclay posted:Yeah, judging by the helicopter raining down fire on the city, I would assume Turkey is pretty much coup'd. Good riddance to Erodagan, but I'm not sure how much hope I have for the Kurds after this. i'm guessing the civilian government doesn't really have anything to gain air superiority? not sure how militarized their police force it
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Jesus Christ people are overreacting. No need to go to the embassy, just stay off the streets if possible and if not get to your home or hotel ASAP, then register with your embassy if you haven't done so already..
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Karl Sharks posted:say what now? https://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/ Doesn't specifically mention Kurds being unable to vote, but its a highly charged and dangerous situation out there. After some research, looks like a good chunk of Kurds actually voted for the AKP, some analysts say this stems for a need of stability and lack of any other good choices.
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so akp gets banned, new constitution, hdp probably gets banned cause why not and then I guess they tell the chp they are in charge after a few months
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If erdogan is overthrown, who will merkel supply sloppy blowjobs to?
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Eh I think its easier to deal with military dictators than Islamists. While they might be bastards they usually want to stay alive and try not to piss off more powerful countries by funding terrorists and expecting an apocalyptic final war.
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Ilustforponydeath posted:This didn't work last time. 
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Considering how there's literally attack helicopters shooting rockets into the city going to the embassy is probably not overreacting. But of course SA mods past histories with embassies hasnt exactly been great.
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Gail Wynand posted:Jesus Christ people are overreacting. No need to go to the embassy, just stay off the streets if possible and if not get to your home or hotel ASAP, then register with your embassy if you haven't done so already.. Yeah, this. The Turkish Army is not going to send the neo-Gestapo to pick up an American blogger.
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Shageletic posted:https://www.thenation.com/article/turkey-is-fighting-a-dirty-war-against-its-own-kurdish-population/ thanks for the link
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Karl Sharks posted:i'm guessing the civilian government doesn't really have anything to gain air superiority? not sure how militarized their police force it Unless some brave Turkish police man takes to the skies in news copter armed with a lovely assault rifle and hope I don't think the army will be losing air superiority any time soon.
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Jack2142 posted:Eh I think its easier to deal with military dictators than Islamists. While they might be bastards they usually want to stay alive and try not to piss off more powerful countries by funding terrorists and expecting an apocalyptic final war. On the other hand, this is the policy that led to the Arab Spring.
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Gail Wynand posted:Jesus Christ people are overreacting. No need to go to the embassy, just stay off the streets if possible and if not get to your home or hotel ASAP, then register with your embassy if you haven't done so already.. As somebody who spends an inordinate amount of time in embassies and consulates around the world -including many in unstable places- this the right answer. Do this. Stay safe.
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Jack2142 posted:Eh I think its easier to deal with military dictators than Islamists. While they might be bastards they usually want to stay alive and try not to piss off more powerful countries by funding terrorists and expecting an apocalyptic final war. That's what we thought about Sisi.
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Sai posted:Does Navo have any obligations to the ex-regime if the coup succeeds? NATO has historically looked the other way the last 273 + 1/2 times the Turkish military did a coup to "adjust" the republic's politics. Controlling the Dardanelles and trapping the Sky Shadowing posted:Yeah, if this is most of the military Tureky's as good as couped. I highly doubt their police forces have the equipment or numbers to fight off their own military. What I am worried about if this coup succeeds is if this will radicalize AKP supporters and other turkish islamists and create a full-blown jihadist insurgency in Turkey. Erdogan may be loathed by a lot of the country, but his high levels of support in rural areas may cause this coup to not be an open-and-shut event like they historically were.
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my dad posted:http://t24.com.tr/haber/tsk-yonetime-el-koyuldu,350149 So when they say Chief of Staff, do they actually mean the actual one from the Erdogan government or another one from a military splinter cell ? Cause if your own Chief of Staff is behind this, then you're probably hosed.
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It still feels so weird and unnatural to be able to watch poo poo go down in near real time, directly from primary sources on twitter and periscope.
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Xandu posted:On the other hand, this is the policy that led to the Arab Spring. Thats very true its a double edged sword no perfect solutions.
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Friend of a friend says military are on the streets in Izmir
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Considering how there's literally attack helicopters shooting rockets into the city going to the embassy is probably not overreacting. But of course SA mods past histories with embassies hasnt exactly been great.
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Stay safe, Brown Moses and everyone else in Turkey. Lord knows how it ends, but I've got a bad feeling it won't be ending well.
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Jack2142 posted:Eh I think its easier to deal with military dictators than Islamists. While they might be bastards they usually want to stay alive and try not to piss off more powerful countries by funding terrorists and expecting an apocalyptic final war. Erdogan was kinda both of them. This is a huge blow to Turkey's stability and civil institutions though.
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Nenonen posted:I trust BM to not go Caro. But yeah, let's hope that the country stays secure despite of this. Things would be really glum if eg. ISIS started kidnapping westerners after state security fell apart... Let's not to say Russia might have some intelligence assets in a neighboring country that could make it look like an ISIS attempt on a vocal critic of theirs.
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Spiderfist Island posted:What I am worried about if this coup succeeds is if this will radicalize AKP supporters and other turkish islamists and create a full-blown jihadist insurgency in Turkey. Erdogan may be loathed by a lot of the country, but his high levels of support in rural areas may cause this coup to not be an open-and-shut event like they historically were. what evidence do you have of an impending insurgency other than the faulty notion that "when muslims get angry enough, they start blowing stuff up"?
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At the risk of sounding alarmist, this is quite possibly the end of the rebels and the end of Rojava as well. So if you're cheering the coup, know that that's what you're cheering for.
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Is the Turkish Air Force also in the coup, or could we get some sweet inter-branch bickering?
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Gail Wynand posted:Jesus Christ people are overreacting. No need to go to the embassy, just stay off the streets if possible and if not get to your home or hotel ASAP, then register with your embassy if you haven't done so already.. Yeah, the best course of action is to stay inside, but contacting the embassy allows you to get information on what you need to do to be safe (probably stay inside) and also lets the world know you are OK.
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Stay safe BM. Don't play EVE Online.
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Hammerstein posted:So when they say Chief of Staff, do they actually mean the actual one from the Erdogan government or another one from a military splinter cell ? AFP implying an officers coup https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/754053586192048128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Gail Wynand posted:You mean one district of Ankara, and most visitors go to Istanbul in the first place. Ankara is to Istanbul as DC is to New York, except more so. Yeah but known CIA agent Brown Moses is probably not there as a visitor, unless you count Russian style tourism.
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Has anyone said "About loving time yet"
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