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Raerlynn posted:How many of you would be okay if tomorrow Trump waged a similar campaign against CNN, NBC, or <insert other media outlet here>? Or if the Kochs did the same thing to a presidential candidate? I wouldn't be so quick to cheer that a billionaire decided to personally ruin an organization out of spite, and succeeded, just because you don't agree with that organization - the same tactic can be used tomorrow to demolish something that actually does some good in the world. i would love to see trump throw his money away on a dumb grudge match against a media institution that knows better than to post video of hulk hogan's penis like any fear i might have had about ~suppression of free speech~ is mitigated by the fact that gawker actually did post video of hulk hogan's penis, which is a bad thing to do, and i dont think the first amendment should cover the freedom to sexually humiliate someone on a national level
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Radish posted:That guy was (sorta since there were no real consequences) thrown under the bus since he's literally no different than the rest of those scum. He was different in that he ripped off rich people, too. Popular Thug Drink posted:i would love to see trump throw his money away on a dumb grudge match against a media institution that knows better than to post video of hulk hogan's penis The same tactics nearly ruined MotherJones despite the disturbing lack of peen on their website.
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Dr Cheeto posted:He was different in that he ripped off rich people, too. That's what always fucks these guys.
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sean10mm posted:Keep in mind that there is some margin of error to each poll, so one poll moving say 1% either way doesn't actually "mean" anything. Taken as a whole he's doing the worst he ever has... right about now. PEC has Clinton's win % the highest ever at 88% today. To add to this, that remaining 12% chance for Trump doesn't actually mean he's scraped up those odds through performance. Models like this bake in the possibility of future change in either direction, so that 12% basically just means "the sky technically has three months to fall". If the polls stay exactly where they are now through to November, Trump's odds will gradually get worse, rather than holding steady, as he runs out of time to turn things around.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:like any fear i might have had about ~suppression of free speech~ is mitigated by the fact that gawker actually did post video of hulk hogan's penis, which is a bad thing to do, and i dont think the first amendment should cover the freedom to sexually humiliate someone on a national level Need we remind you, Peter Thiel backs Trump. Let's go ask Trump how he feels about Freedom of the Press. Nobody is defending the low down poo poo Gawker pulled, but Peter Theil doesn't live in reality, as shown by him announcing as a gay guy at the GOP National Convetion in the same room where multiple other people gave speeches about how gays needed to be expelled from daily life.
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Radish posted:That guy was (sorta since there were no real consequences) thrown under the bus since he's literally no different than the rest of those scum. Yeah, I got a little tired of the Martin Shkreli bashing on facebook after awhile because my cries of "he's literally no different than any other CEO you loving morons" went unheeded. I mean, there are actively less horrible people but they all gently caress you over the same. God drat I remember a few years ago when my insurance stopped covering insulin pens and I had to go back to vial/syringe for everything. It's god damned abominable and when I complained about it the insurance company was like "well unless you have a medical condition that makes using a syringe difficult then you don't need an insulin pen." gently caress this loving healthcare system in it's vile awful rear end.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Meanwhile in Full Medical Communism Now, Epipen prices have risen from $100 to $600 for a 2-pack since 2009. The drug itself costs only a couple dollars to produce.. The company that makes them says they've changed the price to "better reflect important product features and the value the product provides." Well being alive is priceless... Raerlynn posted:This. Nuance is a lost art it seems. I'm not defending Gawkers history as a tabloid, but the number of people overlooking out tacitly endorsing how this comeuppance came about is unsettling. Especially since Trump has said that's exactly what he'll make easier if he wins.
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CommieGIR posted:Need we remind you, Peter Thiel backs Trump. i agree, that people i dont agree with are crazy and so god drat stupid
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i would love to see trump throw his money away on a dumb grudge match against a media institution that knows better than to post video of hulk hogan's penis might need to watch out for bridge salesmen if you think this precedent will only ever apply to people or organizations that have actually done something "bad"
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Have the Naked Trump statues been posted yet? Because holy poo poo! http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/18/12538672/nude-donald-trump-statues-union-square-los-angeles-indecline edit: Also as a human being the Epi Pen story upsets me. As a parent of a 2 year old with an egg and peanut allergy that has to have EpiPens at all times, it enrages me to a state of irrationality. It's disgusting.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i agree, that people i dont agree with are crazy and so god drat stupid  What the gently caress is wrong with you.
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Raerlynn posted:How many of you would be okay if tomorrow Trump waged a similar campaign against CNN, NBC, or <insert other media outlet here>?
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emdash posted:might need to watch out for bridge salesmen if you think this precedent will only ever apply to people or organizations that have actually done something "bad" otoh rich people have been attacking each other in courts and in media for ever and free speech somehow still exists like there's a definite chronological bias to thinking that here, now, we are finally witnessing the downfall of society and the destruction of all that is good because it would just be so weird if our own personal lives didn't correspond to the narrative arc of the universe but actually, turns out, we'll be fine CommieGIR posted:
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emdash posted:bbbbut there's a pew poll where Clinton is only +4 nationwide!!! national polls no longer matter now that state polling has started rolling in regularly
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Radish posted:Adam Carolla Oh man I totally forgot he existed. I always loved how the entire Man Show was a parody that he wasn't in on and was too stupid to realize.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/766242738463502336 This is the site that put out that memo BTW http://www.realtruenews.org/single-post/2016/08/16/TRUMP-LEADS-IN-BATTLEGROUND-FLORIDA-LEAKED-POLL-SHOWS-TRUTH
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i dunno i just don't think that people are obviously crazy if they do something i disagree with He financially backs a political appointee who has OPENLY expressed wanting to disregard the first amendment. While openly flaunting a party that is wholly against everything he is.
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DrNutt posted:Yeah, I got a little tired of the Martin Shkreli bashing on facebook after awhile because my cries of "he's literally no different than any other CEO you loving morons" went unheeded. I mean, there are actively less horrible people but they all gently caress you over the same. Seriously healthcare (specifically life saving medicine and procedures) being tied to profits is so obviously a conflict of interests it's insane to me that everyone acts like the status quo is the only way society can function. Goatman Sacks posted:Oh man I totally forgot he existed. I always loved how the entire Man Show was a parody that he wasn't in on and was too stupid to realize. Yeah back on Loveline he was always a bit of a self centered rear end, but felt like his heart was in the right place. Overtime it became clear he misinterpreted his incredible luck of having met and befrended Jimmy Kimbel as superhuman talent and went down the real libertarian FYGM whirlpool. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Radish posted:Seriously healthcare (specifically live saving medicine and procedures) being tied to profits is so obviously a conflict of interests it's insane to me that everyone acts like the status quo is the only way society can function. MY loving DAD has the gall to say poo poo like "well the free market will compensate and no one will support companies that actively choose to harm its members" and I'm just like "counterpoint: loving reality motherfucker"
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CommieGIR posted:He financially backs a political appointee who has OPENLY expressed wanting to disregard the first amendment. While openly flaunting a party that is wholly against everything he is. who knows, maybe he feels differently about it than you do? you're probably not 100% correct about people's motivations, especially people you've never met
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Popular Thug Drink posted:who knows, maybe he feels differently about it than you do? you're probably not 100% correct about people's motivations, especially people you've never met On the other hand, what we CAN read is his actions and where he puts his money. And that doesn't reflect well upon your shifting goalposts.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I am not sure what's so hard to understand here but: "it is possible to be appalled that a billionaire used his money, power and influence to silence a media outlet he had a grudge against; and to also think that media outlet flew a little too close to the tabloid sun for comfort." No you don't understand you have to be 100% on one side or the other and defend your team to the death Luigi Thirty posted:Meanwhile in Full Medical Communism Now, Epipen prices have risen from $100 to $600 for a 2-pack since 2009. The drug itself costs only a couple dollars to produce.. The company that makes them says they've changed the price to "better reflect important product features and the value the product provides." In other words "we wanted more money and let's face it there's nothing you can do to stop us."
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DrNutt posted:MY loving DAD has the gall to say poo poo like "well the free market will compensate and no one will support companies that actively choose to harm its members" and I'm just like "counterpoint: loving reality motherfucker" Ha. Sorry about your dad but I don't get how you are supposed to not support the company that has a patent on the medicince you need to live or live without extreme pain. Like the reality of that situation and the ramifications on a monopoly on things people die without is pretty obvious but is lost on most people because oh noes if they don't make a massive profit no one will make medicine (please ignore Llouis Pasteur)  .
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CommieGIR posted:On the other hand, what we CAN read is his actions and where he puts his money. And that doesn't reflect well upon your shifting goalposts. lol my goalposts haven't moved, this derail started because i was making fun of you for speaking authoritatively on peter theil's mindset and how he must be a crazy hypocrite because of mental states you were assigning him externally. like it seems a bit weird to me for you to call a gay man crazy because he supports the republicans
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I know someone who's ADHD. Their insurance through their parents changed. Whoops, suddenly ADHD meds are no longer "preventative", SORRY HERE'S A 1K USD BILL. That's not to mention the whole loving over they do with transgender people, but I digress. https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/766343831763640320 I'm going to conclude here that a Clinton press conference has the same likelihood as Trump's tax returns: zero. We all know what every single question is going to about : emails or Benghazi.
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DrNutt posted:MY loving DAD has the gall to say poo poo like "well the free market will compensate and no one will support companies that actively choose to harm its members" and I'm just like "counterpoint: loving reality motherfucker" Free markets are pretty cool, but there's several places where they simply don't work: 1. When there exists NO COMPETITION between the seller and any competitors 2. When the consumer feels they HAVE NO CHOICE but to purchase the product 3. When the consumer CANNOT POSSIBLY fairly evaluate the quality of what they're getting The government should regulate all trade where any of these are concerns. Medical care is a combination of 1 and 2, and they DO evaluate medical care for 3 pretty well!
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theflyingorc posted:Free markets are pretty cool, but there's several places where they simply don't work: Didn't some idiot candidate in the GOP primaries start talking about using Yelp for heart surgury?
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Think that was Gary Johnson.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:like it seems a bit weird for me for you to call a gay man crazy because he supports the republicans Actually, its not very weird. Not very weird at all.
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hello yes i am opposed to the Gawker decision because it means that Peter Thiel succeeded at something, when he is a man who should never be allowed to succeed at anything and should, in fact, drown in a pig manure lagoon
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Radish posted:Seriously healthcare (specifically life saving medicine and procedures) being tied to profits is so obviously a conflict of interests it's insane to me that everyone acts like the status quo is the only way society can function. You can't really even talk about modern healthcare without talking about pyramid schemes and MLM except there are no high returns (other than your life) and no real time to consider if you're getting scammed (since you're dying, probably).
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Radish posted:Didn't some idiot candidate in the GOP primaries start talking about using Yelp for heart surgury? lol only 5 star reviews, because anything else and the person is dead. BRILLIANT
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CommieGIR posted:Actually, its not very weird. Not very weird at all. alright, if you're comfortable judging the behavior of gay people in reference to what you would expect from them according to their sexuality then, uh, you do you i guess
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Radish posted:Ha. Sorry about your dad but I don't get how you are supposed to not support the company that has a patent on the medicince you need to live or live without extreme pain. Yeah, it's quite something. Insurance companies are actively driving people backwards through medical advances in living with diabetes and the whole nation shrugs. Millions of people live with Type 1 Diabetes. This is insane and being forced with the reality of this as I type all this out for basically the first time is making me despair quite fiercely. There are developing nations in which I would be receiving better care for my incurable disease, to say nothing of how much better it would be in say Australia or Sweden. But hey cheap video games, yay capitalism! 
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iospace posted:I'm going to conclude here that a Clinton press conference has the same likelihood as Trump's tax returns: zero. We all know what every single question is going to about : emails or Benghazi. Don't forget the obligatory "why are you so unlikeable?" question.
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I think medical/drug patent protection should be rescinded in cases where there is abuse from the company owning the patent.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:alright, if you're comfortable judging the behavior of gay people in reference to what you would expect from them according to their sexuality then, uh, you do you i guess "Hi, yes? Mr. Hitler? I'm totally a Jewish guy, but hear me out, I openly support you despite your public claims to decimating my family and our friends. Just wanted to let you know I've got your back"
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iospace posted:I know someone who's ADHD. Their insurance through their parents changed. Whoops, suddenly ADHD meds are no longer "preventative", SORRY HERE'S A 1K USD BILL. Uhh, didn't she hold a press conference (about the emails) like, a week or two ago?
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Mr Jaunts posted:Uhh, didn't she hold a press conference (about the emails) like, a week or two ago? She does one-on-ones.
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Mr Jaunts posted:Uhh, didn't she hold a press conference (about the emails) like, a week or two ago? She had a one on one interview. e: DAMMIT, ZOUX! 
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