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gfsincere posted:An African immigrants word on black society in America is about as useful as a penny with a hole in it. A lot of black people don't really gently caress with Africans like that, because they have bought into the narrative who're people have put out about black people in America (lazy, stupid, violent, etc). I'm Jamaican. I live in Atlanta. I interact with other black people a whole bunch.
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gfsincere posted:White supremacy is everywhere, including here in this little corner of the forum. Also LOL if you think it's only the alt-right that engages in it. Plenty of Berniebros right here on this forum jumped right into form. Also the lack of acknowledgment of why a lot of poo poo is hosed up like it is, and falls short of placing the blame where it is (like police shootings, higher unemployment among minorities, etc) is the power of white supremacy. Being unable to admit the faults your culture causes for others is a huge problem. Most of us here place the blame for police shootings on racism. "Your Culture" is a lovely generalization. Again, it's just the same bullshit that racist white guys use to poo poo on black men. My "culture" isn't KKK and Confederate Appreciation any more than yours is crack dealing and home invasions.
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Trabisnikof posted:But the actual genetic science disproves your common sense theory Your so-called "science" is just whitesplaining.
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gfsincere posted:But good job on thinking the 2 wildly separate groups are one and the same. Man we wouldn't want someone coming in here and painting an entire race of people with one brush would we
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ImpAtom posted:Anger is just fine. Calling out white supremacy is fine. When you start making (or appear to make) the incredibly uncomfortable pro-eugenics supremacist arguments then you're not actually being angry, you're descending into the actual language of hate, just from a different direction. If you feel that you feel that way but nobody is any more obligated to pay lip service to your lovely eugenics argument than they are when neo-Nazis do it. If you didn't mean it that way (and I'd prefer not to believe you did) then you phrased what you said extremely poorly. This isn't a tone thing or anything, you didn't 'sound' wrong, you just appeared to be literally arguing in favor of eugenics and seemed an inch away from saying that the only problem is that the REAL superior race isn't in control. I never said any of those things. You're basically fighting strawmen that silly rear end racists on here have made up to be my position.
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Talmonis posted:You mean the squalling of a bunch of hicks desperately waving the flag of their dead traitor movement? They're so loud right now, due to the fact that they're losing. Their whole way of thinking is disgusting to the vast majority of the country. The only reason they're not in jail right now is those few senators and congressmen who go to bat for their kind. Many of which are the descendents of the slave owning swine who have always run the south. I never did understand why the symbol of a failed movement to turn the south into its own nation almost certainly doomed to fail even without the Union thanks to its overeliance on agriculture, lack of foreign allies, and extremely large population of oppressed civilians is treated as a symbol of pride to some people. It's the least patriotic thing I can think of and only seems relevant to those longing for an idea of the past that never existed. I can see racism and resentment of any "elites" as a draw, especially for the ones who wave the flag in places that weren't even part of the Confederacy, but otherwise it makes no sense.
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gfsincere posted:If you're ever wondering how insidious white supremacy is, it's when you write off history and black experience to shitpost and not acknowledge any drat thing. No, I agree with you. An insidious aspect of white supremacy is that people immediately dismiss the real and sound science of eugenics. As you said, 400 years of slave breeding undoubtedly had an effect on the blacks. To pretend like eugenics doesn't work and then know that GMOs and cross breeding exists is stupid. Most people just don't understand that if you take a population, like the blacks, and just breed them for menial physical labor, it's going to have an effect. That's just science. I'm agreeing with the things you've written.
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Amergin posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhMt26F7gA Finally you are coming around Good on you and so progressive to post Tauheed Epps, a 4.0 GPA graduate from Alabama university.
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Dexo posted:I must have missed it apologies, can you link it? It's a book from a wikipedia article cite I found from googling "Jimmy the Greek."
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comes along bort posted:Don't worry guys, Trump's got this. I remember this kid! He was interviewed at the RNC (and thinks Obama is a muslim).
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Geostomp posted:I never did understand why the symbol of a failed movement to turn the south into its own nation almost certainly doomed to fail even without the Union thanks to its overeliance on agriculture, lack of foreign allies, and extremely large population of oppressed civilians is treated as a symbol of pride to some people. It's the least patriotic thing I can think of and only seems relevant to those longing for an idea of the past that never existed. I can see racism and resentment of any "elites" as a draw, especially for the ones who wave the flag in places that weren't even part of the Confederacy, but otherwise it makes no sense. basically regionalism and 'gently caress the government', when you see someone sporting a rebel flag or waving it they're throwing a middle finger at society / the government in a really crass and racist way
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Jesus wasn't white??????? He did speak English though.
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Talmonis posted:Most of us here place the blame for police shootings on racism. Crack dealing and home invasions can be directly linked to poo poo like the KKK and the confederacy and Southern Strategy, so I don't think you intended to make the point you just made. White culture as a whole has been incredibly terrible to black people, full stop. Any denial of this makes you look like a racist.
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Periodiko posted:No, I agree with you. An insidious aspect of white supremacy is that people immediately dismiss the real and sound science of eugenics. As you said, 400 years of slave breeding undoubtedly had an effect on the blacks. To pretend like eugenics doesn't work and then know that GMOs and cross breeding exists is stupid. Most people just don't understand that if you take a population, like the blacks, and just breed them for menial physical labor, it's going to have an effect. That's just science. I'm agreeing with the things you've written. Please stop abusing biology.
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gfsincere posted:Explain to me when that happened? Or did I in a paraphrased manner explained that when you send a people to the gym for 400+ years where only the strong survive and then one of they only outs from the crushing poverty you put them under is related to the same physical labor they had to sustain for generations, surprise, we might be better. The traits slavery would have selected for are not really that applicable to modern day pro sports. Enduring long hours in the hot sun while doing repetitive labor is not what makes a sprinter or linebacker or point guard. Pro sports' position as a vehicle for the oppressed to break the cycle of poverty and subsequent emphasis in oppressed communities are a pretty good solution to the question of why minorities are over represented in pro sports, compared to the general population.
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gfsincere posted:I never said any of those things. You're basically fighting strawmen that silly rear end racists on here have made up to be my position. gfsincere posted:Yeah, it's amazing how black people can succeed when they don't have to deal with centuries of white people being truly fuckin awful. It's almost as if white people are pretty much wholly responsible for pretty much any black struggle in America. gfsincere posted:Only thing white people in Anerica invented was the post office. gfsincere posted:Look at any major sport we've been given access to in a major way and tell me 400 years of essentially cross fit slavery edition hasn't helped. gfsincere posted:Explain African immigrants pretty much crushing it compared to immigrants from anywhere else or the native population in terms of financial success and stability. The last is particularly odd when you follow it with this: gfsincere posted:An African immigrants word on black society in America is about as useful as a penny with a hole in it. A lot of black people don't really gently caress with Africans like that, because they have bought into the narrative who're people have put out about black people in America (lazy, stupid, violent, etc).
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gfsincere posted:Crack dealing and home invasions can be directly linked to poo poo like the KKK and the confederacy and Southern Strategy, so I don't think you intended to make the point you just made. White culture as a whole has been incredibly terrible to black people, full stop. Any denial of this makes you look like a racist. holy hell, every person disagreeing with you on specific points doesn't then ALSO think that white people have been great to black people
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The post office is a pretty sweet invention to have on my race's side all told
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sarmhan posted:Jesus christ no, breeding and GMOs don't prove that eugenics work. The timeframe is all wrong, and slavery wasn't conscious selection in the way it would need to be. Thank you. How have we gotten to the point where people are seriously defending the repeatedly rejected bunk of eugenics in this topic?
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ironically the most active mechanism for selectively breeding slaves produced a lot of mixed race slaves
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Dexo posted:Finally you are coming around That did not go the way he thought it would. You beat me to this. Popular Thug Drink posted:if there was any sort of eugenic side-effect from plantation slavery it would be far more pronounced in the caribbean / south america where the predominant crop was sugar, which was far more taxing and dangerous than growing cotton Usain Bolt? /sarcasm
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Lol this thread was terrible over the weekend (thanks partially to me) but at least it didn't descend into skull-measuring.
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You might as well argue that white people have somehow been actively selected in a matter of 3-4 generations to create better swimmers, because Michael Phelps exists.
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Geostomp posted:Thank you. How have we gotten to the point where people are seriously defending the repeatedly rejected bunk of eugenics in this topic? Because clearly eugenics works, now listen as I pratal on about how everyone not like me shouldnt be allowed to breed.
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So how bout that Trump, huh? What a doofus and/or dingus he is!
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theflyingorc posted:holy hell, every person disagreeing with you on specific points doesn't then ALSO think that white people have been great to black people And yet those points seem to be glossed over to make the "you think eugenics are good!!!11!" strawmen. Wonder why that is?
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Here's a good tweet. https://twitter.com/MichaelRWarren/status/767771630483435520
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Someone find Donald Trump and put a cellphone with Twitter installed on it in his hand, please, for the good of this thread.
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Donald Trump's ancestors were selectively bred to be morons.
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gfsincere posted:And yet those points seem to be glossed over to make the "you think eugenics are good!!!11!" strawmen. Because you're the one arguing in favor of eugenics as good science. This is not talking your words out of context.
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gfsincere posted:And yet those points seem to be glossed over to make the "you think eugenics are good!!!11!" strawmen. Because you keep saying slavery made black people buff?
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sarmhan posted:Jesus christ no, breeding and GMOs don't prove that eugenics work. The timeframe is all wrong, and slavery wasn't conscious selection in the way it would need to be. If you weren't a racist, you'd acknowledge the obvious validity of eugenics.
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sarmhan posted:Here's a good tweet. Like when he bragged about making his buildings meet federal code with regards to the ADA.
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gfsincere posted:And yet those points seem to be glossed over to make the "you think eugenics are good!!!11!" strawmen.
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Honestly, when you start a sentence with "breed" and "people" within two words of each other, you should probably halt your post and reconsider your world views regardless of the rest of it. Even if you think someone else is doing the breeding (  ), you're tacitly accepting it's a thing that works. It doesn't. The only thing eugenics brings is genocide.
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gfsincere posted:And yet those points seem to be glossed over to make the "you think eugenics are good!!!11!" strawmen. If we've been breeding blacks to be good entertainers, why are so few black movies and actors nominated for Oscars? Please explain, I'll wait.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Like when he bragged about making his buildings meet federal code with regards to the ADA. Hey, everyone drinks out of the same fountain in Trump Tower. Can you say the same about the Clinton Foundation?
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