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Poll: Who Should Be Leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition? This poll is closed. |
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| Jeremy Corbyn |
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95 | 18.63% |
| Dennis Skinner |
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53 | 10.39% |
| Angus Robertson |
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20 | 3.92% |
| Tim Farron |
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9 | 1.76% |
| Paul Ukips |
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7 | 1.37% |
| Robot Lenin |
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105 | 20.59% |
| Tony Blair |
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28 | 5.49% |
| Pissflaps |
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193 | 37.84% |
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Everyone has an opinion. Your science background doesn't make any difference to your political opinion and so Hawking's opinion is no better than your racist next door neighbour. It's not news. For the record I agree with him. 31: In Turkish, it's slang for male masturbation for some reason.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:49
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Cerv posted:it stinks of a kind of Trump-ian anti-intellectualism They weren't dismissing his opinion because he's a scientist, they were dismissing it because he's not an expert in politics. Although even if he were the question of whether or not Corbyn should step down largely depends on what sort of policies you support, so it's literally the case that one person's opinion is no more valuable than another. That's pretty far from being anti intellectual.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:52
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Pissflaps posted:How about we accept that he has an opinion and his background in science neither makes This seems a reasonable position to take.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:53
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Cerv posted:it stinks of a kind of Trump-ian anti-intellectualism Except literally everyone who's said "he doesn't know gently caress about politics/AI" has pointed out what a world-class authority he is on theoretical physics, so anti-intellectualism doesn't wash. gently caress ableism though.
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Mar 7, 2017 14:56
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jabby posted:the question of whether or not Corbyn should step down largely depends on what sort of policies you support I dont think this is quite right
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Mar 7, 2017 15:16
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So apparently the BBC did a journalism thing by reporting 100 sexualised images of children to Facebook and seeing how many of them were removed. They then wrote to Facebook saying 'why weren't these removed' and Facebook asked for examples of the images. The BBC provided them, and Facebook promptly reported them to the police for sharing images of child exploitation. Its a serious topic, but that's some pretty top class trolling from Facebook.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:17
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Stephen Hawking is cool but in my experience science people have atrocious political opinions. This one is fine and good, but the stereotype hasn't risen from nowhere. Fortunately, most scientists hate politics and everything to do with it. Usually you find out why when they offer their thoughts on social policy.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:18
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Breath Ray posted:I dont think this is quite right I support socialist policies. If Corbyn steps down now he will not be replaced by someone who supports socialist policies.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:19
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Hawking would be a better leader of the Labour Party then Jeremy Corbyn
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Mar 7, 2017 15:25
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Please explain how saying "you're not #1 best place to live in forever" is being rude. You guys -do- know how lowly I rate my own birthplace, right? I mean, I'm saying that the UK is among the top 10 places to live in, in the entire world. Do you guys even get how much of a compliment that is? Also you do get that you don't actually own the country, and can't decide on your own who can complain and who can't about stuff in it without getting labelled as an ungrateful little immigrant who doesn't know their place, right? Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Mar 7, 2017 |
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Mar 7, 2017 15:30
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jabby posted:I support socialist policies. If Corbyn steps down now he will not be replaced by someone who supports socialist policies. So you'd rather see a tory government then a left centrist labour one?
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Mar 7, 2017 15:30
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Strong message here.fridge corn posted:So you'd rather see a tory government then a left centrist labour one? The answer is yes.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:31
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jabby posted:I support socialist policies. If Corbyn steps down now he will not be replaced by someone who supports socialist policies. When would you like him to step down?
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Mar 7, 2017 15:33
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fridge corn posted:So you'd rather see a tory government then a left centrist labour one? Replacing Corbyn =/= Labour majority at the next GE. Corbyn could be replaced with a centre left candidate who then fails to win at the next election (like the last two). Then you have a Tory Government and no socialist in charge of Labour.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:41
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Corbyn should be replaced with someone who can win an election and actually do some good in power
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Mar 7, 2017 15:45
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Breath Ray posted:When would you like him to step down? When there has been a rule change to democratise the selection of leader, and/or the composition of the PLP has changed to better reflect the wishes of the membership. In short, when he can be replaced by someone else whose policies I support. As for me 'preferring' a Tory government, if you could guarantee me that a centrist Labour party would beat the Tories and get a majority then getting rid of Corbyn now might be a difficult decision. But centrist Labour lost the last two elections and I believe helped push the political discourse of this country to the right. So I'd rather have a Corbyn leadership that might reform the Labour party than go back to centrism with no guarantee of getting into power.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:45
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Corbyn shouldn't be replaced until after he has lost the next election. It's too late to undo the damage he has done in time for it.jabby posted:So I'd rather have a Corbyn leadership that might reform the Labour party than go back to centrism with no guarantee of getting into power. Corbyn's leadership has guaranteed labour will lose the next election.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:46
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Miftan posted:I mean, Hawking knows best about every subject because he's the smartest man alive, so let's just make him God Emperor of the world? Yes lets.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:47
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SpaceCommie posted:Replacing Corbyn =/= Labour majority at the next GE. I sometimes wonder if being socialist is a high enough bar to lead the Opposition. It's academic though because Jeremy is hopefully going to name Clive Lewis as his successor later this year, and Clive is a winning machine.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:48
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Comrade Cheggorsky posted:Corbyn should be replaced with someone who can win an election and actually do some good in power Agreed Too bad that person doesn't exist yet, in any party
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Mar 7, 2017 15:49
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My opinion is that Labour needs someone who can appear centrist whilst pushing left wing policies. In Corbyn we have someone who appears fatally leftwing to the majority of the population, whilst pushing very weaksauce policies.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:52
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Fangz posted:My opinion is that Labour needs someone who can appear centrist whilst pushing left wing policies. In Corbyn we have someone who appears fatally leftwing to the majority of the population, whilst pushing very weaksauce policies. That's how Blair did it.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:54
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Pochoclo posted:Please explain how saying "you're not #1 best place to live in forever" is being rude. You guys -do- know how lowly I rate my own birthplace, right? Please explain how you think responding to Pissflaps will go anywhere interesting. fridge corn posted:So you'd rather see a tory government then a left centrist labour one? This is a dumb & bad post. Corbyn is the centre left option. He's a social democrat. And the idea that Dan Jarvis or Liz Kendall or Yvette Cooper or Chuka Umunna will lead Labour to government is barely less fanciful than Corbyn leading Labour back to government in 2020. It's a false choice you've presented.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:54
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forkboy84 posted:This is a dumb & bad post. Corbyn is the centre left option. He's a social democrat. And the idea that Dan Jarvis or Liz Kendall or Yvette Cooper or Chuka Umunna will lead Labour to government is barely less fanciful than Corbyn leading Labour back to government in 2020. It's a false choice you've presented. Youre whining about false choices in one breath then the next suggesting he thinks that path to victory in 2020 exists. Nobody is leading labour to victory in 2020.
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Mar 7, 2017 15:59
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Pissflaps posted:labour will lose the next election. you only needed this bit of the sentence its true with or without corbyn
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Mar 7, 2017 16:47
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Jeza posted:Stephen Hawking is cool but in my experience science people have atrocious political opinions. This one is fine and good, but the stereotype hasn't risen from nowhere. Fortunately, most scientists hate politics and everything to do with it. Usually you find out why when they offer their thoughts on social policy. It's actually bad that scientists don't want to engage in politics and think that their work is somehow apolitical. I suspect that senior scientists generally trying to avoid taking a stance that can be seen as political and being unwilling to comment publicly on policy even when it relates to their specialism is a part of what has led to experts being seen as untrustworthy and every person's opinion as good as any other. Science isn't any more insulated from politics and society in general than anything else, and it's a dangerous delusion that scientists allow themselves to believe it is. We have this huge pool of experts who dedicate their entire lives to studying topics that have huge impacts on our daily lives. Yet as soon as some idiot politician who knows nothing about anything but where the bodies are buried in Westminster opens their mouths, suddenly all these experts start staring at their feet and mumbling "well of course there are two sides to every story" and pretending that the real world and their pet area of study are comfortably separate domains that only overlap on their funding proposals. I don't say that Hawking should necessarily start spouting on the best way to address unemployment in rural Wales, but I do feel that it'd be good if more scientists were willing to follow the lead of Prof. Nutt and actively and publicly lobby for policy to follow science within their field rather than throw up their hands and claim to be apart from the whole sordid mess.
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Mar 7, 2017 16:54
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Seaside Loafer posted:First one I ever saw was the most tentacle rapey one I think ive ever seen. It was lets see ... 22 years ago and they randomly started letting the hard 18 rated anime films in computer game shops for some reason, so it had the famous motorbike one with Kaneda and Tetsuo but it also had this. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108461/ . That's like 2 of hours demons raping young looking girls. That was a bit of an eye opener and no mistake. In my very first job after leaving school (i had no internet and had never heard of anime) a guy i worked with gave me this apropos of nothing and was like "have you ever heard of anime? No? Check this out!" And that was my first and last experience with this depravity. Death to anime. (Actually i watched Planetes a few years ago on the recommendation of a cool dude and it was genuinely enjoyable. But that's it i swear.)
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Mar 7, 2017 16:57
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redline is cool and good imo and has a good soundtrack
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Mar 7, 2017 17:05
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I wonder what jeremy corbyns favourite anime is
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Mar 7, 2017 17:11
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sword art online
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Mar 7, 2017 17:20
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fridge corn posted:I wonder what jeremy corbyns favourite anime is I bet he considers them bullshit nonsense children's cartoons.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:28
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big scary monsters posted:It's actually bad that scientists don't want to engage in politics and think that their work is somehow apolitical. I suspect that senior scientists generally trying to avoid taking a stance that can be seen as political and being unwilling to comment publicly on policy even when it relates to their specialism is a part of what has led to experts being seen as untrustworthy and every person's opinion as good as any other. Science isn't any more insulated from politics and society in general than anything else, and it's a dangerous delusion that scientists allow themselves to believe it is. We have this huge pool of experts who dedicate their entire lives to studying topics that have huge impacts on our daily lives. Yet as soon as some idiot politician who knows nothing about anything but where the bodies are buried in Westminster opens their mouths, suddenly all these experts start staring at their feet and mumbling "well of course there are two sides to every story" and pretending that the real world and their pet area of study are comfortably separate domains that only overlap on their funding proposals. We should also be aware that the evidence will only tell you whether something is likely to work or not, not whether the thing you want to do is a good thing or not. So philosophers of science should also be given a platform. There was an interesting public lecture recently that argued for teaching ethics and phil. of sci. alongside the sciences in schools. We should also have more input from social scientists, while at the same time admitting that their models may be both useful but culture or standpoint bound. The problem comes when you grant a bully pulpit to people whose main achievement has been a lifetime of study and achievement in a highly detailed area of the sciences (usually a 'real science') and they gain celebrity smartperson status, which too often turns into 'old white Oxbridge man tells us all about the Muslims' or 'this neurosurgeon has some theories about slavery'.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:29
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That seems like a good enough achievement for a pulpit tbh
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Mar 7, 2017 17:31
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Corbyn strikes me as the type that likes Hayao Miyazaki's stuff Either that or Hellsing because he's used to seeing british undead ghouls
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Mar 7, 2017 17:42
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jabby posted:So apparently the BBC did a journalism thing by reporting 100 sexualised images of children to Facebook and seeing how many of them were removed. They then wrote to Facebook saying 'why weren't these removed' and Facebook asked for examples of the images. The BBC provided them, and Facebook promptly reported them to the police for sharing images of child exploitation. Legally speaking, Facebook were in the right here and the BBC in the wrong, and I'm shocked that a journalist at as major an outlet as the Beeb managed to gently caress it up quite so badly. Sending child porn to someone is not only a criminal offence for the person doing the sending but also for the recipient if they do not report it in a timely manner. There was no reason at all for them to send screenshots and images when links would have worked just as well, and it seems like someone doing a report on CAI on the internet would have done the bare minimum of research to find this out.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:45
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Miftan posted:I mean, Hawking knows best about every subject because he's the smartest man alive, so let's just make him God Emperor of the world? He was once. I'd rather listen to Roger Penrose or Kip Thorne now. Hawkings lost the last 5 science bets he's placed.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:46
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Guavanaut posted:The problem comes when you grant a bully pulpit to people whose main achievement has been a lifetime of study and achievement in a highly detailed area of the sciences (usually a 'real science') and they gain celebrity smartperson status, which too often turns into 'old white Oxbridge man tells us all about the Muslims' or 'this neurosurgeon has some theories about slavery'. My once-delightfully-leftwing nephew went to university to do science and morphed into Richard Dawkins. I have some hope it is mostly just the zeal of the scientific convert, but the smugness that comes with thinking you're pursuing the True Scientific Method is a menace in itself, I think.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:48
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He'll be writing 5000 word polemics about why the EM-drive could never work and how we're never leaving this planet and how truly awe inspiring it is that we're all going to live meaningless lives in a universe destined for heat death before you know it.
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Mar 7, 2017 17:51
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Legally speaking, Facebook were in the right here and the BBC in the wrong, and I'm shocked that a journalist at as major an outlet as the Beeb managed to gently caress it up quite so badly. Sending child porn to someone is not only a criminal offence for the person doing the sending but also for the recipient if they do not report it in a timely manner. There was no reason at all for them to send screenshots and images when links would have worked just as well, and it seems like someone doing a report on CAI on the internet would have done the bare minimum of research to find this out. Facebook's claim is that the images they did not remove were both not illegal and not against their terms of use. It seems wholly illogical to report the BBC to the police for sending those images to them, then.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Legally speaking, Facebook were in the right here and the BBC in the wrong, and I'm shocked that a journalist at as major an outlet as the Beeb managed to gently caress it up quite so badly. Sending child porn to someone is not only a criminal offence for the person doing the sending but also for the recipient if they do not report it in a timely manner. There was no reason at all for them to send screenshots and images when links would have worked just as well, and it seems like someone doing a report on CAI on the internet would have done the bare minimum of research to find this out. What if the links hadn't worked just as well, eg if the pictures had been deleted -- or could have been claimed not to link to anything by fb?
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