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Quandary posted:Legit question is making your school after a group a bad thing always? Obviously if it's a slur IE Redskins that's awful but having them be the Aztecs isn't necessarily bad or derogatory. It's fine if they're looooooong gone, Trojans, Spartans.
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Quandary posted:Legit question is making your school after a group a bad thing always? Obviously if it's a slur IE Redskins that's awful but having them be the Aztecs isn't necessarily bad or derogatory. The cultural appropriation is generally the problem I think? Think of the old Illini thing where someone would dress up as an Indian chief and dancing around, poo poo like that. Or the Chiefs, like there's nothing at all bad about the name itself but I understand why some native americans would be pissed about all the fans showing up in headdresses and a white cheerleader dressed in a vaguely native american fashion riding around on a horse after Touchdowns and poo poo. I have no clue how much or little SDSU does with Aztec things.
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I think "Trojans" is a hilarious name because people assume they won the Trojan War/that the Trojan Horse was their thing
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Oh the Vandals. Forgot about the Vandals.
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Asproigerosis posted:My understanding is that a huge majority of mexicans are of hispanic descent and that actual native descendants are a rarity on the level of native americans in the US. 68% mestizo and 11% amerindian makes 79% of the total population of Mexico that identifies Native American ancestors as a meaningful part of their heritage
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Declan MacManus posted:feel like you're looking past vandy and app state lol i didn't realize uga scheduled app what the gently caress were they thinking
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PostNouveau posted:It's fine if they're looooooong gone, Trojans, Spartans, Nittany Lions 
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PostNouveau posted:It's fine if they're looooooong gone, Trojans, Spartans. I mean, that gets back to the statute of limitations thing. What's the timing. Aztec empire was a thing 500 years ago. The Aztec people are a collection of other ethnicities. Vandals were a thing 1500 years ago. Spartans and Trojans were things 2500 years ago. I'm sure there was some Greek somewhere that traces his lineage back to Sparta. Vikings were a think 1000 years ago. We've got Swedes, Norse, Dutch, Saxons, Celts, Irish, Cajuns, Quakers, Crusaders, Goths, Hill-toppers, Pilgrims, plus all manner of Native American tribes, voluntary or not. Which of those are we too close to?
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I think more important than time is power dynamics. Native Americans and Mexican-Americans are historically marginalized groups that still face discrimination today, so when an institution that's largely not made up of the ethnic group in question profits from peddling their cultural heritage, it feels kinda exploitative. Trojans, Spartans etc are okay because basically nobody holds any emotional attachment to Troy or Sparta, and something like Notre Dame or ULL's mascots are a bit more "genuine" since the people who chose those names actually had that heritage. (actually I'm not 100% sure about ULL having a significant Cajun student body, I just assumed cause of the location) Pakled fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Pakled posted:I think more important than time is power dynamics. Native Americans and Mexican-Americans are historically marginalized groups that still face discrimination today, so when an institution that's largely not made up of the ethnic group in question profits from peddling their cultural heritage, it feels kinda exploitative. Thoughts on Irish as a mascot?
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kayakyakr posted:Thoughts on Irish as a mascot? Ah whoops I was working on that edit when you made that post 
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Quandary posted:Legit question is making your school after a group a bad thing always? Obviously if it's a slur IE Redskins that's awful but having them be the Aztecs isn't necessarily bad or derogatory. I don't think so. Various Native American groups like it when the Army/Air Force/Navy name helicopters after them. They even have to get tribal approval to go ahead with the name. kayakyakr posted:Thoughts on Irish as a mascot? I give no shits. Plus its not like they're called the Surly Micks or anything. Signed, An Irish-American from a family of Irish Catholic Notre Dame fans
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Wait, Vandals are an ethnic group?
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Henchman of Santa posted:Wait, Vandals are an ethnic group? like, 2000 years ago yeah.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Wait, Vandals are an ethnic group? Bunch of guys from Poland-ish, ran roughshod over Europe for 700 years, sacked Rome in 455.
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Quandary posted:Legit question is making your school after a group a bad thing always? Obviously if it's a slur IE Redskins that's awful but having them be the Aztecs isn't necessarily bad or derogatory. I agree with you 100%, but we are indeed going to end up on the wrong side of history.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Wait, Vandals are an ethnic group? Learn some drat history! Who do you think sacked Rome? Stop naming teams after people. All teams should have good car mascots thank you for your time
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I am honestly curious now about PETA's stance on naming teams after animals.
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swickles posted:I am honestly curious now about PETA's stance on naming teams after animals. I'm assuming they are fine with that but strongly against live mascots.
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Without cultural appropriation we'd all still be wearing animal skins and living in caves. Human history is the spread of traditions.
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General Dog posted:Without cultural appropriation we'd all still be wearing animal skins and living in caves. Human history is the spread of traditions. What culture is the grode jar appropriated from?
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an adult beverage posted:What culture is the grode jar appropriated from? Aggies are their own culture and should be discriminated against
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an adult beverage posted:What culture is the grode jar appropriated from? Emblematic of the mixing pot that is A&M, it borrows from the female tradition of menstruation and the ancient Mesopotamian tradition of putting things in jars.
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General Dog posted:Without cultural appropriation we'd all still be wearing animal skins and living in caves. Human history is the spread of traditions. Yeah, you know there's a difference between appropriation and diffusion. But you gotta keep up with the regressive gimmick. I sometimes wonder if you're a false flag Texas poster deliberately playing into every awful Aggie stereotype. For the few OU posters (or anyone else, I guess) who still occasionally lurk the thread: I'm putting the O/U on "Sooners" getting replaced at 15 years. Any takers?
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Aggies are essentially the evil horde from the 13th Warrior/Eaters of the Dead except with cum and dead dogs instead of cannibalism
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TipTow posted:I sometimes wonder if you're a false flag Texas poster deliberately playing into every awful Aggie stereotype. Sounds like a lot of work for a Texas fan.
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Alaois posted:Tanner Lee will have 2 or 3 throws a game that will make him look like the greatest quarterback in school history, and then throw 5 completely inexplicable interceptions poo poo, we're used to that 'round these here parts
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I like being the Aztecs because it's unique and I'd rather be unique than one of 20 Tigers or Wildcats or Warriors or something generic. I've never once thought it was offensive or have it even cross my mind as being offensive, but I am super white so I don't know why it would have.
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kayakyakr posted:Thoughts on Irish as a mascot? too drunk to care, so go for it
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I'm trying find a way to relate... If someone was to call their team the "Jews" then I might think that a dumb name. But naming a team directly after any religion is dumb, even if that religion is also an ethnic group. It's not really about being insensitive, though. OTOH, if someone was to name their team the "Hebrews" I would probably think that's a pretty cool team name. The Hebrews as a tribe were mean and would gently caress you up as soon as look at you.
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I would pull for a team named the Philistines.
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kayakyakr posted:I'm trying find a way to relate... If it were a specifically or even predominately Jewish school nobody would really care. Go Brandeis Fighting Hebrews. My alma mater used to be called the Presbyterian Steamroller and then became the Fighting Scots.
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TipTow posted:For the few OU posters (or anyone else, I guess) who still occasionally lurk the thread: I'm putting the O/U on "Sooners" getting replaced at 15 years. Any takers? OU naming themselves after a bunch of land thieves is the best thing about OU.
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Hey, we stole "Boomer Sooner" from two different sources too. At least we didn't half-rear end the "thief" thing.
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TipTow posted:Yeah, you know there's a difference between appropriation and diffusion. But you gotta keep up with the regressive gimmick. Not a chance in hell
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Elephanthead posted:
This sounds like Tim Tebow has become a serial killer with a very memorable trademark. That's what you meant, right?
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TipTow posted:For the few OU posters (or anyone else, I guess) who still occasionally lurk the thread: I'm putting the O/U on "Sooners" getting replaced at 15 years. Any takers? When I was around six I asked my older brother where "Sooners" came from and he told me it was because they would sooner be somewhere other than Oklahoma. I believed this was the actual reason for the name for an embarrassingly long time.
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Grittybeard posted:When I was around six I asked my older brother where "Sooners" came from and he told me it was because they would sooner be somewhere other than Oklahoma. I believed this was the actual reason for the name for an embarrassingly long time. A much better reason imo
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There were a bunch of protests like two years ago about how ou was offernsive to native Americans which got roundly ignored and forgotten. Wouldn't be surprised to see those come back regularly but I highly doubt it changes for a long time.
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I agree, OU is offensive.
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