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mycomancy posted:Mods, can we get the thread title changed to: loving booyah!
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Tighclops posted:Yeah I'm burned out on the Stargate franchise too 
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May 23, 2017 01:58
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Duckbag posted:In TNG, the Holodeck gets upgraded in the Binar episode and seems to stay upgraded. Quasi-sapient holograms are explicitly exciting new tech in that and they keep coming back. Plus the Emergency Medical Hologram itself is clearly new development that shows up in DS9 and First Contact as well as Voyager. Oh and Crusher's metaphasic shielding from the killer plant dude episode gets reused in Descent. Also the beacons or whatever they're called for aiming transporter beams through interference come back a couple times. And the rotating frequencies for fight Borg. Wesley's nanites from Evolution got referenced in Best of Both Worlds when they're trying to think of potential weapons against the Borg. The Data's time as a severed, talking head hooked up to the ship's computer in Disaster was what prompted him and Geordi to experiment further with hooking him up to the ship in A Fistful of Datas.
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May 23, 2017 02:14
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Zurui posted:They made a Voyager continuation? What is it even about?
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May 23, 2017 03:47
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Seems like this is something STO actually handles better, then. There's a particularly good mission that follows up the plot threads in Ashes to Ashes and the one where a duplicate Voyager exists and Harry dies - the duplicate gets revived by the Kobali. Unfortunately the game does not paint the Kobali as unholy grave robbing monsters, which is a missed opportunity.
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May 23, 2017 03:53
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Trip report: DS9 season 2, episode 2 "The Circle" and episode 3 "The Siege." Now this is the DS9 I remember. Must be the first 3-parter in Trek as well, I think. The impromptu gathering in Kira's quarters before she left was fantastic. The gradual escalation reminded me of meeting Beorn in the Hobbit, and the timing was spot on. Not a lot of resolution planetside, though. We're told the provisional government is back in place and that's about it. I'm legitimately not sure how things ended up for Minister Jaro; obviously Winn was sure to protect herself, the weasel.
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May 23, 2017 03:54
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skooma512 posted:I think Ronald D Moore put the survivor count in every episode of BSG just to stick it to Voyager's fast and loose continuity Some part of me remembers that counter not going down after the season 4 premiere when one of the no-name civilian ships get destroyed.
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May 23, 2017 04:53
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Fasdar posted:Hey guys remember that episode of DS9 where the wormhole farts out a 200 year old poet - the real "Emissary" - whose big idea is to implement a literal on-pain-of-death caste system? And how all the Bajorans are immediately on board with it? And then, even better, when he mysteriously disappears "to return to his time," everyone's just like, "LOL ok the Sisko it is!" See, you think the Bajoran's thing is 'religious' or 'terrorists' - but it's actually 'extreme gullibility'. Like when Dukat decides to start a devil-worshiping cult and actually manages to get a bunch of Bajorans to think "Hey, space-Hitler's on to something here!"
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May 23, 2017 05:08
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Yeah, their schtick is basically just joining random extremist factions at the drop of a hat.
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May 23, 2017 05:27
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Knormal posted:It's about absolutely nothing for several books, until they hand the reigns to Kirsten Beyer, then they actually get pretty good. The Federation decides to use its new quantum slipstream tech to send a fleet back to the Delta Quadrant to follow up on some of the stuff Voyager found there, which means it's kind of a rehash of the series, but handled competently. Harry Kim's still a nothing though. There's also some ridiculous poo poo involving the backstory of the Borg (and an ultimate "resolution" to the Borg plotline) if I'm not mistaken. Haven't read the stuff myself yet (though I've been meaning to) but the summary sounded pretty awful. Is there a recommended reading order, starting with the DS9 reboot series?
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May 23, 2017 06:54
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Tighclops posted:Yeah I'm burned out on the Stargate franchise too Forget to breathe 
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May 23, 2017 06:56
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Drone posted:There's also some ridiculous poo poo involving the backstory of the Borg (and an ultimate "resolution" to the Borg plotline) if I'm not mistaken. Haven't read the stuff myself yet (though I've been meaning to) but the summary sounded pretty awful. The Destiny books. They're godawful. The only mildly amusing part is Troi's poison womb arc but that gets deus-ex machina'ed away pretty quickly.
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May 23, 2017 11:02
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There's never been a satisfactory origin of the Borg and there never will be.
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May 23, 2017 11:59
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McSpanky posted:There's never been a satisfactory origin of the Borg and there never will be. There was that brief, shining moment when they were basically demons from hell summoned by Q. Then they used them in another episode and things started going down hill.
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May 23, 2017 14:46
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The I still think it's sad that the Yamato got punked out by an Iconian computer virus because the deflector cannon definitely should have been trialed on that ship fe: and I totally thought it had been punked out by Nagilum instead but apparently that was a complete fake?
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May 23, 2017 17:39
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It's unfortunate they went and explicitly made Warp 10 the absolute upper limit for any FTL travel at all ever, but then made it so the Enterprise-D was all 'oh no we can only travel for a few hours at Warp 9.75 before the ship starts to complain  ', and so then of course the Enterprise-E is just 9.99... fractions ad nauseum.I mean yeah the Ent-D was state of the art and I think they called it the fastest ship in the fleet a few times?, but surely something like 'in Kirk's day Warp 6 was the upper cruising limit, in Picard's day it was 9, the Dominion War kind of put a halt to propulsion experiments but we're now hoping to break the 12 barrier with the same size reactor core,' works better than 'oh no the borgs now have double-trans-quantum wibbly-wobbly warp drive '
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May 23, 2017 18:21
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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spincube posted:It's unfortunate they went and explicitly made Warp 10 the absolute upper limit for any FTL travel at all ever, but then made it so the Enterprise-D was all 'oh no we can only travel for a few hours at Warp 9.75 before the ship starts to complain Yeah making 10 an unreachable infinite speed was a dumb move, because it cuts off any impact from things going fast, despite the scriptwriters wanting to sometimes have impact from things going fast
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May 23, 2017 18:45
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Tunicate posted:Yeah making 10 an unreachable infinite speed was a dumb move, because it cuts off any impact from things going fast, despite the scriptwriters wanting to sometimes have impact from things going fast An upper limit does make sense though; don't they explain to go warp 10 would be to exist everywhere at once? I mean an upper limit makes sense, it doesn't matter what arbitrary number it has.
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May 23, 2017 18:56
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Xibanya posted:An upper limit does make sense though; don't they explain to go warp 10 would be to exist everywhere at once? The 'infinite speed' technobabble is the problem basically. "With this new technology voyager can go from warp nine point four to warp nine point five" is a lot clunkier and dumber than saying "we can go from warp ten to warp twelve". Changing a decimal place by a notch doesn't sound like a measurable difference, even if there's some dumb backstory about how their scale means this is a very significant decimal place.
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May 23, 2017 19:37
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Tunicate posted:The 'infinite speed' technobabble is the problem basically. "With this new technology voyager can go from warp nine point four to warp nine point five" is a lot clunkier and dumber than saying "we can go from warp ten to warp twelve". Also it turns you into a salamander for some reason.
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May 23, 2017 19:38
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Gammatron 64 posted:Also it turns you into a salamander for some reason. That reason is because of all the science Trek doesn't even bother to try to get right, DNA is the worst offender by at least one significant warp figure
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May 23, 2017 19:45
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The Bloop posted:That reason is because of all the science Trek doesn't even bother to try to get right, DNA is the worst offender by at least one significant warp figure Branon Braga got a D- in Biology class, I use this episode and the one where Barclay turns into a spider as proof
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May 23, 2017 19:48
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I think there was the wrinkle that the 'warp scale' is exponential, so Warp 9.999995 might actually be significantly faster than 9.999994, but good luck communicating that in a clear and memorable way on broadcast TV.The Bloop posted:That reason is because of all the science Trek doesn't even bother to try to get right, DNA is the worst offender by at least one significant warp figure How do I be human, asks the immortal man-machine. I'll ask my engineer friends Broccoli and 'every time you're looking at the machine, Geordi, you're looking at me', instead of opening the copy of omicrontheta_entirecolonyarchive.zip he was programmed with so that he would understand how to be human
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May 23, 2017 20:15
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I think they went to the new warp logarithm scale thing or whatever in TNG, probably because people complained a lot that the TOS warp drive ratings made no sense. Seems like there's no reason they couldn't have gone back to the old scale or possibly implemented yet another one in the future. Indeed, one good reason is "Having this as the maximum encourages idiots like Tom Paris to try to achieve it, and become cosmic salamanders."
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May 23, 2017 20:17
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Also I don't think they ever mention it being a log scale on the show. It's just something the technical manual nerds know.
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May 23, 2017 20:24
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Duckbag posted:Also I don't think they ever mention it being a log scale on the show. It's just something the technical manual nerds know. Clearly we need a Fahrenheit to the log scale Celsius of warp scales.
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May 23, 2017 20:26
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Xibanya posted:Clearly we need a Fahrenheit to the log scale Celsius of warp scales. Starfleet says Warp 7.5, Romulus says three shillings sixpence
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May 23, 2017 20:29
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skasion posted:Starfleet says Warp 7.5, Ferengi says three shillings sixpence FTFY
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May 23, 2017 20:32
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spincube posted:It's unfortunate they went and explicitly made Warp 10 the absolute upper limit for any FTL travel at all ever, but then made it so the Enterprise-D was all 'oh no we can only travel for a few hours at Warp 9.75 before the ship starts to complain I think the idea behind that was to prevent "warp factor inflation". And it mostly worked. If they hadn't put the warp 10 rule in place very early on, warp factors may well have reached the millions by the end of Voyager. (Just look at what they did to the poor kiloquad. By the end of the run, Voyager had something that was 47 billion teraquads, which is about 75 trillion times the size of the entire Enterprise-D computer.)
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May 23, 2017 20:33
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Computers getting stupid bigger stupid fast is at least true to real life. Also, it was in fact clever of them to say "quads" there.
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May 23, 2017 20:36
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Nessus posted:Computers getting stupid bigger stupid fast is at least true to real life. Also, it was in fact clever of them to say "quads" there. I don't think the actual data storage getting that much bigger that fast is really the same thing. Them making up an unexplained base unit was indeed very smart, though.
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May 23, 2017 20:44
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In TOS one constantly gets the sense that if they push the ship too hard, it's gonna blow the gently caress up. The engines aren't all powerful, the engineers cannae change the laws o physics, and in general it's probably best if the ship doesn't rush all over the universe but instead restrains itself to warp factor 4 or maybe 6 if things get hairy, just to avoid nebulous bad things that might happen if they really went full steam. The more utopian tone of the TNG era shows loses that a bit, there's a much greater emphasis on the safety, reliability, and self-sufficiency of the Ent-D than the original which has the unintended side effect of making it seem increasingly foolish that they DON'T just zip everywhere at maximum warp. That's one of the things I'll be watching for in Discovery tbh, whether the ship works more like a cruise ship or a cruiser.Nessus posted:Computers getting stupid bigger stupid fast is at least true to real life. Also, it was in fact clever of them to say "quads" there. Yeah, good on them for avoiding Johnny Mnemonic syndrome. The Bloop posted:I don't think the actual data storage getting that much bigger that fast is really the same thing. Voyager's holoporn is 4K, so you don't cut yourself on the jaggies as often.
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May 23, 2017 20:53
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skasion posted:In TOS one constantly gets the sense that if they push the ship too hard, it's gonna blow the gently caress up. The engines aren't all powerful, the engineers cannae change the laws o physics, and in general it's probably best if the ship doesn't rush all over the universe but instead restrains itself to warp factor 4 or maybe 6 if things get hairy, just to avoid nebulous bad things that might happen if they really went full steam. The more utopian tone of the TNG era shows loses that a bit, there's a much greater emphasis on the safety, reliability, and self-sufficiency of the Ent-D than the original which has the unintended side effect of making it seem increasingly foolish that they DON'T just zip everywhere at maximum warp. That's one of the things I'll be watching for in Discovery tbh, whether the ship works more like a cruise ship or a cruiser. Then in Voyager, they can technobabble their way out of all problems. They just need to invert the polarity and send a condensed tachyon pulse from the deflector dish and that'll solve the problem!
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May 23, 2017 20:55
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The Bloop posted:That reason is because of all the science Trek doesn't even bother to try to get right, DNA is the worst offender by at least one significant warp figure Gammatron 64 posted:Branon Braga got a D- in Biology class, I use this episode and the one where Barclay turns into a spider as proof 
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May 23, 2017 21:39
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Has anyone read Homecoming and The Farther Shore? I've read Homecoming and found it decent, but was unable to secure a copy of The Farther Shore at the time. Does it pay off reasonably well?
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May 23, 2017 22:27
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spincube posted:I think there was the wrinkle that the 'warp scale' is exponential, so Warp 9.999995 might actually be significantly faster than 9.999994, but good luck communicating that in a clear and memorable way on broadcast TV. Voyager should of had a countdown timer at the start of each episode BSG style showing how long until home, have them set up some sort of "never forget" led number display in the kitchen set and some dumb scene where everyone claps as it jumps down massively everytime Q shoots them closer home or whatever. They had the easiest concept ever to milk and they never quite did it right.
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May 23, 2017 22:34
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Voyager couldn't even be bothered to count shuttlecraft or torpedos accurately. A voluntary delay in getting home counter would be interesting.
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May 23, 2017 22:37
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Well let's see, how many episodes of Voyager are there...
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Was it just a fan theory that each whole-number warp factor was supposed to represent some sort of physical breakpoint? Like, crossing the light barrier is hard, so that's warp 1. Then there's some other speed that's also hard to break, and that's warp 2. And there's 9 of these so warp 10 is infinite speed because that's the only remaining speed you can't reach by adding more power to existing technologies
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cheetah7071 posted:Was it just a fan theory that each whole-number warp factor was supposed to represent some sort of physical breakpoint? Like, crossing the light barrier is hard, so that's warp 1. Then there's some other speed that's also hard to break, and that's warp 2. And there's 9 of these so warp 10 is infinite speed because that's the only remaining speed you can't reach by adding more power to existing technologies The 1-10 scale at least is not a fan theory, I have an official "Star Trek encyclopedia" book that has the logarithmic chart and everything. So it's probably at least in the writer's bible if it's not "canon."
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