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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I'll be disappointed if we have another election. I was hoping after this one I'd be able to go back to just ignoring politics like I usually do. I find the whole thing a terrible bore and only really pay attention during elections like this and we've just had so many in the past couple of years it's been very tedious. :shrug:

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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004



"Saying nothing very loudly" Carl of Sad's job description.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
I can't beleive they campaigned on fox hunting

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

NikkolasKing posted:

This is kind of a random question but the video and all of this made me think back to our presidential elections.

The various accounts I've heard is that things are just as partisan in the UK as they are here but are they actually "violent?" I live in Texas and I remember talking with other politically active people during the US presidential campaign who refused to openly declare their support out of fear of reprisal. Like, they wouldn't have a pro-Democrat sign in their yard or a bumper sticker on their car out of fear of vandalism at the very least.

Is there any of that over your way?

No.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma



Jo Cox would beg to differ. If she hadn't been shot or anything.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004



Needs that sad walking away music from the Incredible Hulk TV series.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

NikkolasKing posted:

This is kind of a random question but the video and all of this made me think back to our presidential elections.

The various accounts I've heard is that things are just as partisan in the UK as they are here but are they actually "violent?" I live in Texas and I remember talking with other politically active people during the US presidential campaign who refused to openly declare their support out of fear of reprisal. Like, they wouldn't have a pro-Democrat sign in their yard or a bumper sticker on their car out of fear of vandalism at the very least.

Is there any of that over your way?

I don't think violence is an issue but people were definitely embarrassed to say they would vote labour, I think because the press against corbyn was so bad.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Kurtofan posted:

I can't beleive they campaigned on fox hunting
I cannot wait until the insiders' post-mortem book for this tory campaign comes out. Somebody must've been making notes this whole time. The whole thing is utterly baffling and I want all the gory details.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Our coalition government, ladies and gentlemen

https://twitter.com/majhollywood/status/873116465435508736

VileLL
Oct 3, 2015


who do you think's angrier today, may or blair?

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.
Who would have thought that more fox hunting and gently caress the olds were actually bad platform ideas.

Tories really, really have to be grateful for Ruth Davidson right now.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
Oh man the idea that may was a "remainer sleeper cell to scupper brexit" is loving awesome.

Also this is a good tweet

https://twitter.com/holland_tom/status/872966896953511937

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

NewMars posted:

Not to mention that there are people who literally commute across it every day for their jobs. Or have family living over there and no passport. Or friends, or ect.

Or have businesses which serve both sides of the border.

BBC had a good article actually

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/The_hardest_border

Wolfsbane
Jul 29, 2009

What time is it, Eccles?

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

VileLL posted:

who do you think's angrier today, may or blair?

Blair must be throwing a proper loving tantrum rn

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I've been thinking, if tuition fees are abolished, does that mean I'll be able to get a refund on mine? I certainly hope so. :confused:

a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012
High youth turnout, already seeing some old prunes calling for the voting age to be increased to 25, citing 'lack of real world experience'.

Yes Corbyn.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
Glasgow Central here. Huge numbers of aghast FB friends in a tailspin about the Tory gains in Scotland.

Maybe if they didn't live in an SNP fantasy land where the middle class unionist voters don't exist they might have seen how badly the SNP have hosed the political landscape.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
I have an idea, what if we privatised Northern Ireland

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
has anyone seen rupert murdoch or has he returned to his home planet

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Reveilled posted:

I have an idea, what if we privatised Northern Ireland

I always support more privatisation so I would be favourable.

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

communism bitch posted:

Blair must be throwing a proper loving tantrum rn

Corbyn tied his 2001 vote share and got a bigger swing than he ever did. I love life

Edit: Share increase, not swing.

Raeg fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jun 9, 2017

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice
I wonder how many people will read the papers today and be disappointed to realise a hung parliament doesn't actually involve hanging any tories

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Reveilled posted:

I have an idea, what if we privatised Northern Ireland

We tried this once and it worked pretty well

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

Wheat Loaf posted:

I've been thinking, if tuition fees are abolished, does that mean I'll be able to get a refund on mine? I certainly hope so. :confused:

The official line was they would look into debt relief but nothing concrete was promised

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Gum posted:

The official line was they would look into debt relief but nothing concrete was promised

Fair enough.

I have lots of money already but it would be nice to have more.

Anime_Otaku
Dec 6, 2009

madey posted:

What does Labour need to do to get those scottish seats into the fold? Do you think the SNP voters will see that the indyref is miles off now and try not to split the vote again or will it be a battle to bring them over?

It's going to be a battle, if Scottish Labour broke away and set themselves as a pro independence party that might win some of us over, but as it is I'm SNP until independence is achieved, and I'm far from alone in that. This result is really a product of realpolitik, the Tories are not really so popular in my view, but I'm in West Dunbartonshire, which returned Martin Docherty to WM again after being strongly Labour (the MSP is Labour's Jackie Bailie still) prior to the referendum. Quite honestly as long as Labour keeps voting with the Tories in Westminster, they don't have much chance.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Wheat Loaf posted:

Fair enough.

I have lots of money already but it would be nice to have more.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I always support more privatisation so I would be favourable.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I'll be disappointed if we have another election. I was hoping after this one I'd be able to go back to just ignoring politics like I usually do. I find the whole thing a terrible bore and only really pay attention during elections like this and we've just had so many in the past couple of years it's been very tedious. :shrug:

Just so we're clear this thread is one of the easiest to troll on the entire forums and nobody's biting because you're poo poo at it. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Praseodymi
Aug 26, 2010

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

:kiddo:

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


Jeherrin posted:

Glasgow Central here. Huge numbers of aghast FB friends in a tailspin about the Tory gains in Scotland.

Maybe if they didn't live in an SNP fantasy land where the middle class unionist voters don't exist they might have seen how badly the SNP have hosed the political landscape.

If Sturgeon hadn't called the second referendum but just stuck to anti-austerity, anti-Tory campaigning this election, I doubt she'd have lost half the seats.

It's the first big-scale fuckup she's made in a while now.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Anime_Otaku posted:

It's going to be a battle, if Scottish Labour broke away and set themselves as a pro independence party that might win some of us over, but as it is I'm SNP until independence is achieved, and I'm far from alone in that. This result is really a product of realpolitik, the Tories are not really so popular in my view, but I'm in West Dunbartonshire, which returned Martin Docherty to WM again after being strongly Labour (the MSP is Labour's Jackie Bailie still) prior to the referendum. Quite honestly as long as Labour keeps voting with the Tories in Westminster, they don't have much chance.

You're an idiot. Reposting my assessment from the ScotPol thread, because you should at least know why:

Someone in the UKMT accused Scottish Labour of treating Scotland like its fiefdom, an appendage to be ignored in policy because it could be counted on for votes anyway. This is essentially true, and it worked for a long time because the SNP were splitting the Scottish Tory vote. But when Sturgeon got her "glorious 56" result on the back of promising to work for Scotland after the Indyref and hoovered up the Labour voters, she made the mistake of doing the same thing. She thought that the overwhelming support her party had in Westminster and Holyrood was her strong mandate to campaign for a second Indyref, even though a failure would bury the issue and the party forever. The Tories in the party didn't want that - they want to rule a kingdom, not a fiefdom - and so they reverted to type. Scottish Labour were still stabbing Corbyn, so the Labour voters didn't want to return home in the same way.

So: if you want someone to blame for last night's result, Kezia Dugdale is a good start. But if you want to discuss why the Tories gained seats, it was not the result of Scottish Labour taking votes from the SNP; it was the SNP taking votes from Labour. If Dugdale wasn't poo poo and had managed to recover half the SNP votes in the constituencies taken by the Conservatives, the Tories would not now be able to form a government even with DUP support. But if Sturgeon wasn't poo poo and hadn't unified the right, they wouldn't be able to form a government at all.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

communism bitch posted:

Just so we're clear this thread is one of the easiest to troll on the entire forums and nobody's biting because you're poo poo at it. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Honestly, I'm not trying to troll anyone. :shrug:

Anyway, George Osborne has put the cover of the Evening Standard up on Twitter. He's certainly enjoying himself.

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.
Complete aside but I'd like the complement the BBC set designers for deciding the best look for John Curtice was shouting down from the heavens.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
You reckon we'll go the month without a fresh election? This DUP thing is going to be intolerable for a whole number of people.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

Junior G-man posted:

If Sturgeon hadn't called the second referendum but just stuck to anti-austerity, anti-Tory campaigning this election, I doubt she'd have lost half the seats.

It's the first big-scale fuckup she's made in a while now.

They were always on a knife-edge, though. Only Labour's utter annihilation in Scotland in the previous election prevented it being a three-way fight, with good guys split between SNP and Labour, and the evil tories on the other side. In our system, those never work out well for the split votes.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Wheat Loaf posted:

I've been thinking, if tuition fees are abolished, does that mean I'll be able to get a refund on mine? I certainly hope so. :confused:

didn't happen to previous graduates when the SNP abolished the graduate endowment. only the current lot who hadn't paid yet.

maybe you'll get a write off / down of current debt. but a refund of money already paid is going to be a huge bill so hard to get through a budget. especially if they're having to bargain with other parties.

Raeg
Jul 7, 2008

The top 1% of ducks have control of 99.9% of the bread.

Junior G-man posted:

If Sturgeon hadn't called the second referendum but just stuck to anti-austerity, anti-Tory campaigning this election, I doubt she'd have lost half the seats.

It's the first big-scale fuckup she's made in a while now.

I'd agree, it also meant the fight in Scotland wasn't about Tory policies, it was about indyref and a referendum on Sturgeon, not May.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Canterbury has been a constituency for nearly 700 years and has been Tory almost all of that (and never Labour)

Ummm given there was no such thing as a Tory til the 18th century!

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kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Gort posted:

Our coalition government, ladies and gentlemen

https://twitter.com/majhollywood/status/873116465435508736

Only one of those are still DUP MPs :colbert:

I don't know how you can do a run down of DUP awfulness and exclude Gregory Campbell, the worst man

https://youtu.be/509px_eob8A

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