|
What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed. |
|||
|---|---|---|---|
| Labour |
|
907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
|
48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
|
31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
|
13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
|
25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
|
22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
|
12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
|
1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
|
59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
|
4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
|
3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
|
36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
|
35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
|
8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
|
49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
|
39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
|
2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
|
188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
|
8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
|
15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
|
312 | 17.17% |
| Total: | 1817 votes | ||
|
So presumably May rushed off to Buckingham Palace to head off a leadership challenge because it looks a bit rude to sack the person Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has just asked to form a government, but what happens if they do still open the trapdoor? Is there a constitutional difference to it happening before Parliament is actually in session to it happening during the session?
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 00:41 |
|
|
Miftan posted:How do we actually make this happen, assuming someone makes it? I rarely venture outside this thread into SA because fyad and gbs scare me. there are lots of non-gbs/fyad subforums
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:23
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:Sure thing back in the 70s but I would genuinely be surprised if it reignited violently. People are still passionate but according to all the evidence (and I have discussed this with people in NI) the people willing to actually revert to armed struggle are limited to a double digit number of bitter old dudes in pubs. There is a few young people who never lived in the Troubles that want to kick it off again. Someone from my town was jailed for a few years recently for carrying bomb making materials, and she was only in her twenties. The majority don't want it, but there are a few assholes who blame the other side for them living like poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:23
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:So presumably May rushed off to Buckingham Palace to head off a leadership challenge because it looks a bit rude to sack the person Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has just asked to form a government, but what happens if they do still open the trapdoor? Is there a constitutional difference to it happening before Parliament is actually in session to it happening during the session? Does the constitution actually make an allowance for PMs and changing them? I thought it was whoever the party that forms that government chooses? Jose posted:there are lots of non-gbs/fyad subforums And other than very specific knowledge-related stuff they're all quite weird. Reading E/N is fun though and LP has some gems.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:24
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:So presumably May rushed off to Buckingham Palace to head off a leadership challenge because it looks a bit rude to sack the person Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has just asked to form a government, but what happens if they do still open the trapdoor? Is there a constitutional difference to it happening before Parliament is actually in session to it happening during the session? You absolutely can challenge the sitting PM. Heseltine doing so in 1990 and forcing a 2nd round of voting is what got Thatcher to resign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election,_1990
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:24
|
|
|
ThomasPaine posted:Also I'm just watching QT and what the hell is this audience. Booing the suggestion the Corbyn won (but scoreboard!) and laughing away at the idea that he could form a government with LESS MPS THAN THE TORIES. Yeah, watching it now, thanks to some absolute lunatics in the audience, I have learned that Corbyn failed massively, don't be mean to the DUP, May is really strong and stable actually, and Labour have ruined democracy by taking away votes from other parties. Also there definitely hasn't been any austerity or any funding cuts of any kind.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:25
|
|
|
goddamnedtwisto posted:So presumably May rushed off to Buckingham Palace to head off a leadership challenge because it looks a bit rude to sack the person Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has just asked to form a government, but what happens if they do still open the trapdoor? So all May said to the Queen is "I think I can pass a Queen's Speech bill". She now has to prove that she can once parliament resumes. If she can't, Corbyn gets a chance to try instead. If he can't either then there's another election. edit: And if this sounds like I'm explaining the rules to some kind of complex and archaic board game, you're not alone. edit2: Reading it again I think I may have misunderstood what you're asking; sorry! NRVNQSR fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jun 9, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:26
|
|
|
happyhippy posted:there are a few assholes who blame the other side for them living like poo poo. Are they wrong?
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:27
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Come at me MI5?
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:28
|
|
|
kustomkarkommando posted:The DUP makes money from the fragile peace. Lets not forget there is more than a whiff of corruption about em. They want money coming in and businesses reaping profits. Bombs going off is bad for business. Yeah, really, neither side wants Good Friday to collapse. Sinn Fein and the Irish Republicans are perhaps not wholly satisfied with it, but it's still a preferable arrangement to violence against kids and working it is much better optics. A hard border and the idea of DUP or similar groups having significant power in London would mean they may feel the only way to achieve their dream is to go back to the fertilizer, though. ThomasPaine posted:Sure thing back in the 70s but I would genuinely be surprised if it reignited violently. People are still passionate but according to all the evidence (and I have discussed this with people in NI) the people willing to actually revert to armed struggle are limited to a double digit number of bitter old dudes in pubs. But yeah, it'll be hard to radicalize a new generation, as it turns out. All of the current kids are used to peace and are just grateful not to get shot at anymore. Of course, a few years of direct rule and feeling like they have no say in government could change that, but even then it wouldn't be immediate.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:28
|
|
|
Gen. Ripper posted:You absolutely can challenge the sitting PM. Heseltine doing so in 1990 and forcing a 2nd round of voting is what got Thatcher to resign. Well yes I know that, I'm talking about the actual constitutional roles here.Major was "asked" to form a government by the Queen once he won the election, in the same way May and Brown were after their transitions. But that was all during an actual sitting Parliament. I just wondered if there were any other wrinkles to the constitution that might prevent the Tories from taking May around the back of the shed prior to a Parliament actually being assembled.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:28
|
|
|
to prepare yourself for the next 5 years you may want to play infamous second son
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:28
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/montie/status/873285673683496965
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:29
|
|
|
Jose posted:MI5? I'm not too worried about their reach into west coast Norway to be honest.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:29
|
|
|
analphabetic posted:Yeah, watching it now, thanks to some absolute lunatics in the audience, I have learned that Corbyn failed massively, don't be mean to the DUP, May is really strong and stable actually, and Labour have ruined democracy by taking away votes from other parties. Also there definitely hasn't been any austerity or any funding cuts of any kind. The total abandonment of logic was really funny to me. You could almost see the thought process of 'This isn't what she said would happen! Someone must have cheated!' And that's how you get from a hung parliament to Labour ruining democracy by doing too well, or everyone who voted Labour being gullible idiots.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:30
|
|
|
Today I heard that labour are going to be too spendy with the money and Cameron should come back because he was "the right age" so he understood what was important. Guess how old the person telling me this was
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:31
|
|
|
lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:32
|
|
|
I'm going to make a bold prediction: if this DUP deal goes ahead then there will be so many pissed off Tory MPs resigning from the party and going independent that they will lose the majority.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:32
|
|
|
NRVNQSR posted:So all May said to the Queen is "I think I can pass a Queen's Speech bill". She now has to prove that she can once parliament resumes. Yes, I know that (I spent an unbelievable amount of time explaining this in 2010). I'm talking about the fact that in actual constitutional terms May didn't go to the Queen and say that - the Queen, on advice of the Privy Council, asked May to form a government. It is then up to Parliament to ratify that government the debate and vote on the speech. I don't know if it's within the Prerogative for the Queen to ask someone else to form a government once she's asked someone without Parliament's approval, and I was wondering if anyone else did.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:34
|
|
|
learnincurve posted:I'm going to make a bold prediction: if this DUP deal goes ahead then there will be so many pissed off Tory MPs resigning from the party and going independent that they will lose the majority. Well I mean TheRat posted:lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:34
|
|
|
TheRat posted:lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan Dwuh?!?!
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:34
|
|
|
TheRat posted:lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan so it's another general election, then?
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:35
|
|
|
Goddamn this is an exciting time to follow UK politics and I'm glad I'm at least broadly familiar with most of it
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:36
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Plenty of farmers have easy access. Not to pure AN in bulk they don't any more.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:36
|
|
|
TheRat posted:lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan If her MPs still take the Tory whip in what way exactly is this a 'split'? Sounds like she's just proposing getting rid of the Tory name entirely, but still actually being the Tories.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:37
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:37
|
|
|
Skinty McEdger posted:The audience was selected before the election and undoubtedly was padded with Tories. It's meant to be a representative sample of the electorate... which given means only 42% of the electorate voted tory, and 40% voted labour, it will be hostile to either party, technically. It's the same hilarious reason Boris Johnson threw a shitfit about the bbc being "biased". They're not biased, it's just that a majority tory government with 35% of the vote doesn't have a majority of people in the audience. it has 35%.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:37
|
|
|
TheRat posted:Something tells me it wouldn't be particularly difficult to re-arm. After all, there are foreign leaders currently in power who have given money and resources to the IRA before. Such as Donald Trump.  (The spin-on-a-tuppence that American conservatives did regarding terrorism after 9/11 always provides hilarious irony.)
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:38
|
|
|
Another American wanting to know a bit of what happened: Did Theresa May call for an early election to make herself look good and end up blowing it? Also, will they still hold the election they were going to have next year? P.S. Good job to everyone who voted and worked to make it happen, gives me some hope in these trying times.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:39
|
|
|
jabby posted:If her MPs still take the Tory whip in what way exactly is this a 'split'? She's still being adamant about not allowing for a hard Brexit, so once again May & co. are shot down in flames.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:39
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/TomTugendhat/st...parliament-live
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:39
|
|
|
Zero Gravitas posted:Jokes on them I'm emigrating anyway Welcome to our socialist dystopia
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:40
|
|
|
jabby posted:If her MPs still take the Tory whip in what way exactly is this a 'split'? I think the idea is they wouldn't take the Westminister whip and instead be a Scottish breakaway. Again, I did wonder how a Scottish Lesbian Leader (SLL) would take May trying to survive power by aligning with a party that believes she will burn in hell. So that's a thing worth exploring.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:40
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/873293531506462721
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:40
|
|
|
TheRat posted:lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan and the slow transformation of Scottish politics into Northern Ireland without the history continues
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:41
|
|
Drone_Fragger posted:It's meant to be a representative sample of the electorate... which given means only 42% of the electorate voted tory, and 40% voted labour, it will be hostile to either party, technically. Right, but they took the bookings for the audience before the election. So they were working off other numbers than the results, and as the polls favoured the Tories that meant that the demographics of the audience tonight favoured the Tories.
|
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:41
|
|
|
Same, it's called Labour
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:41
|
|
|
They don't actually need to start blowing people up as a first reaction, all they would need to do is leave a white van filled with cow poo poo with an alarm clock stuck in it any part of London and sit back and watch with the popcorn.
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:41
|
|
|
Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Welcome to our socialist dystopia do Norwegian farmers have access to lutefisk in bulk and can they effectively weaponise them
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 00:41 |
|
|
https://twitter.com/Independent/status/873271985597325314
|
|
#
?
Jun 9, 2017 22:42
|
|