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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Mister Adequate posted:*snip* Thanks, I had most of the basic stuff down but this was interesting! e: poo poo, er, 359° is one degree less than a full revolution (360°); this makes it a reflex angle. It also makes it where we currently are in politics. 
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DUP disagrees with jezza on everything besides soft Brexit and probably thinks he would allow a secret republican shadow army to take over norn iron
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TheRat posted:lol: Telegraph: Ruth Davidson planning Scottish Tory breakaway as she challenges Theresa May's Brexit plan well that took an entire day
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A few pages back, but it's sad that journalists use Twitter as an excuse to come out with this kind of unprofessional nonsense.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:26
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pinkacidbootson posted:A few pages back, but it's sad that journalists use Twitter as an excuse to come out with this kind of unprofessional nonsense. What?
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Jun 9, 2017 23:28
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pinkacidbootson posted:A few pages back, but it's sad that journalists use Twitter as an excuse to come out with this kind of unprofessional nonsense. TBF to Laura, while she is maybe a bit too important to be saying it, it is QUITE FUN to imagine Gerry Adams running into Buckingham palace at the last moment.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:29
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Pinterest Mom posted:I mean, there's no rule that the PM has to be an MP. The Tories could beg Ruth to take the job and have her take them to a new election, something like that. Don't you have to be either an MP or a Lord to be in government though? Like how could Davidson come to the commons if she wasn't an MP?
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Jun 9, 2017 23:31
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"If anybody has any objections to this union.." *Gerry Adams busts into the House of Commons* "I ALWAYS LOVED YOU, NORN IRON!"
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Sinn Fein showing up would be the ultimate chaos option, but Im not sure how that would play with the base. Does massively screwing over UDP/Tories outweigh the NI legitimacy stuff SF always talks about?
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Im not sure if this is the time or place, but all the chatter made me think of Stiff Little Fingers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLo7z50Tt2g quote:"Alternative Ulster" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKsN5cj9ehs quote:
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Spuckuk posted:Pro as gently caress read. Ta for that. +1. I have family from Belfast and visited a couple times when I was a lot younger, never really went into the history though.
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Mister Adequate posted:Norn Iron Norn Iron Thanks for this. Maybe someone put this in the OP as it might come up a lot? Also highly important follow up question, out of curiosity is there a name I can use for Derry and/or Londonderry that will not piss one side off if I use it or should I just resort to faking a coughing fit so nobody can tell which one I used. This is important.
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Angepain posted:Thanks for this. Maybe someone put this in the OP as it might come up a lot? something something istanbul not constantinople something something
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jabby posted:Don't you have to be either an MP or a Lord to be in government though? Like how could Davidson come to the commons if she wasn't an MP? Technically if there was another election she could run as leader of the party while not having been an mp before the dissolution of parliament, and in theory if it worked like with MEP's she wouldn't have to resign her MSP seat until she took office. But there's a whole pile of other constitutional problems with that.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Im not sure if this is the time or place, but all the chatter made me think of Stiff Little Fingers. Actually the talk about the IRA made me think of SLF too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ1-ikhaD4c
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Here, UKMT, have a nice picture of all around good guy and hero, Lord Buckethead. 
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pinkacidbootson posted:A few pages back, but it's sad that journalists use Twitter as an excuse to come out with this kind of unprofessional nonsense. It didn't start with Twitter. First there was the ticker "Is Obama a Communist Islamo-Fascist?" Then came the cut to a field reporter for no good reason who tells us, "We know nothing about what's actually being discussed behind these closed doors. But we could be moments away from learning that Anna Nicole Smith was murdered by the Zodiac killer."
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Angepain posted:Thanks for this. Maybe someone put this in the OP as it might come up a lot? Anyone who gets upset about you just calling it Derry is someone who doesn't deserve to have their opinions respected anyway.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:38
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Also Ruth is the leader of the Scottish party in Holyrood and their whole success in Scotland has been due to putting Ruth in the limelight and ignoring everyone else, I'm not sure if they have a second Scottish Conservative MSP who can do a decent human being impression
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Please forgive my ignorance but could the pattern of violence in NI be broadly summarised as "Nats target soldiers" followed by " Loyalists target civilians"?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Sinn Fein showing up would be the ultimate chaos option, but Im not sure how that would play with the base. Does massively screwing over UDP/Tories outweigh the NI legitimacy stuff SF always talks about? See Adequate's post on the last page for why this won't happen. It's within the Sinn Fein constitution to not take their seats and an MP would be expelled from the party if they did it. Short of the government trying to pass internment camps for catholics, SF ain't taking their seats.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:39
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Miftan posted:What's with all the nice Americans showing up? This is not what we've become accustomed to over the past couple of weeks. I've been lurking ever since the Labour leadership elections. I liked that Corbyn won but what really got me hooked was the PLP types demanding he resign. It pissed me off that they were trying to overturn the vote of their membership and it made me laugh that they had absolutely no way of enforcing that demand. Ever since I've been rooting for Corbyn as a middle finger to careerist centrist rear end in a top hat politicians the world over.
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This is A Good PostTM It almost seems like the best option for May would be to accept the hung parliament and try again with another vote? Granted her last campaign was a loving disaster, but forming a coalition with the DUP sounds like a complete dead end. Or is there actually a legitimate threat that Labour could scrape together a minority coalition?
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Miftan posted:Here, UKMT, have a nice picture of all around good guy and hero, Lord Buckethead. loving magnificent
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Angepain posted:Thanks for this. Maybe someone put this in the OP as it might come up a lot? I think the BBC style guide is to call it "Derry/Londonderry", but then they still call Myanmar Burma, so I dunno
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Jun 9, 2017 23:41
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dont even fink about it posted:Why then would the DUP even agree to be part of a coalition with the Tories? Just let Corbyn handle Brexit and get a better deal by default. The DUP and SF are locked in a deadlock since the start of this year after the power sharing government collapsed and SF are demanding concessions to continue to participate which the DUP do not want to give. There was a regional election in march to try to break the deadlock which, through swelling SF votes and increased middle ground "no stance" votes, meant NI was left with a region government for the first time since its creation without a unionist majority. The DUP consider themselves locked in a fight for the survival of the union and view corbyns labour as too accommodating to SF and nationalism and fear they will hand SF their desired concessions over the DUPs head They do not want Corbyn anywhere near the negotiations and would probably rather back down on Brexit to keep the Tories in
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Jun 9, 2017 23:41
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Mugsbaloney posted:Please forgive my ignorance but could the pattern of violence in NI be broadly summarised as "Nats target soldiers" followed by " Loyalists target civilians"? No. It was a pretty complicated time.
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Mister Adequate posted:Also, full disclosure, family of mine was killed in the Shankill Road Bombing of 1993, : Sorry to hear. And great post. A good friend was the last person to see a guy alive before he was shot in retaliation the week after the Shankill Bombing.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:42
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Mugsbaloney posted:Please forgive my ignorance but could the pattern of violence in NI be broadly summarised as "Nats target soldiers" followed by " Loyalists target civilians"? I appreciate that you're trying to rapidly absorb a gently caress-ton of history, but no, this is not a subject that can be summarised.
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Mugsbaloney posted:Please forgive my ignorance but could the pattern of violence in NI be broadly summarised as "Nats target soldiers" followed by " Loyalists target civilians"? It's best summarised as " Could have all been avoided by just being decent human beings but the British Empire decided they wanted to be in the running for History's Greatest Shitbags".
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Angepain posted:Thanks for this. Maybe someone put this in the OP as it might come up a lot? Derry is what every local calls it. Even the protestant Apprentice Boys of Derry. Only real salty hardliners refuse to say it Derry~Londonderry or the Maiden City or alternating between the two (which was the BBC style for a long time) are compromises
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UrbicaMortis posted:No. It was a pretty complicated time. "complicated". he sez!
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Tsaedje posted:I think the BBC style guide is to call it "Derry/Londonderry", but then they still call Myanmar Burma, so I dunno Stroke City is the joke name sometimes used.
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jabby posted:Don't you have to be either an MP or a Lord to be in government though? Like how could Davidson come to the commons if she wasn't an MP? Well, the PM doesn't have to come to the Commons, it's just a very strong norm that they do. This would be a scenario where Davidson would sit as PM for like a week or two before a new election is called, though, so it wouldn't really stretch convention.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:46
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Mugsbaloney posted:Please forgive my ignorance but could the pattern of violence in NI be broadly summarised as "Nats target soldiers" followed by " Loyalists target civilians"? The troubles are considered to have started before a British soldier arrived in NI as part of operation banner - the 69 riots where between the NI state police (and infamous auxiliary police the B Specials) and self defence militias. Gun battles between factions happened and the army got in the middle of it, and the Provo's broke off from the IRA and decided to specifically launch a campaign against the military
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Tsaedje posted:I think the BBC style guide is to call it "Derry/Londonderry", but then they still call Myanmar Burma, so I dunno It's fascinating what happens with politically driven name changes of cities: lots of people in Mumbai still call it Bombay, Ho Chi Min City is still Saigon to half the population, and there are probably as many people in St Petersburg who still call it Leningrad as there were in Leningrad who still called it St Petersburg.
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Jun 9, 2017 23:48
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dont even fink about it posted:Why then would the DUP even agree to be part of a coalition with the Tories? Just let Corbyn handle Brexit and get a better deal by default. By having a seat at the table they presumably expect to be able to steer things towards a much softer Brexit, and they detest Corbyn and everything he stands for outside of the Brexit issue. happyhippy posted:Sorry to hear. And great post. Was it the Greysteel Massacre? A goddamn travesty just as much as the Shankill Bombing. Either way, condolences to your mate, and the need to make sure the generation beneath ours never truly comprehends what it was like is why we have to do whatever possible to keep things stable.
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That's second only to the Sex Pistols ending.
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